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Gary Johnson clarified his statements about religious freedom and discrimination in an article published by the Deseret News yesterday (Aug 2nd): Gary Johnson: Religious Freedom and Non-Discrimination Laws. In this statement he tried to clarify his comments about the LDS church and the discrimination they faced. Here is what I see as his main point.
QuoteTo be blunt, certain politicians have twisted religious liberty and used it as a tool to discriminate.
...I want to be clear. I believe we can, and must, strike a balance between our shared American values of religious liberty and freedom from discrimination. My concerns lie with the possible consequences of politically-driven legislation which claims to promote religious liberty but instead rolls back the legal protections held by LGBT Americans.
...America is big enough to accommodate differences of opinion and practice on religious and social beliefs. As a nation and as a society, we must reject discrimination, forcefully and without asterisks. Most importantly, as president I will zealously defend the Constitution of the United States and all of its amendments.
I think his statements about our church were poorly worded, but I believe I see what he is saying. We must be careful not to discriminate in any way.
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Put in simplest terms the celestial law is the highest form of the two great commandments, love the Lord thy God with all thy heart might mind and strength and thy neighbor as thyself. It is set forth in the law of consecration, which directs us to expend our effort and time and substance in this great endeavor and to ultimately build up Zion on this earth.
Those who enter the celestial kingdom will have received the ordinances and entered into the covenants. They will have washed themselves in the blood of the Lamb and will rely upon the merits of Christ alone, who is the author and finisher of our faith (see Moro 6:4).
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1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said:
I am a VERY task oriented person, and do literally add "study scriptures" to my To Do List (right under "Eat food today"). Depending on the day it may be "study scriptures for X time", and so I study for X amount of time, whether that be pondering 1 verse or a whole chapter. And if I'm not done pondering it in that time, then I keep pondering until it's done: whether that's studying more that day, or having the topic be leftovers for tomorrow's study. I don't force the topic or a strict regiment, but try to keep a healthy intake for my spirit--- iust like my To Do "eat food today".
38 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:I am the same way. I need direction! I once found a list published by the church that had things like visit temple once a month with a family name. I was delighted!
My point appears more nuanced then I first believed. There is nothing inherently wrong with "The List", in fact with the right frame of mind it may be a good thing. So let me ask, when you march through The List are you zeroed in on the effort alone, or can you still focus on how an event happens? Does The List make you feel weighed down when other things "get in the way" or can you push items on the list aside and still have peace in your day?
Perhaps I can take from C.S. Lewis who explained it well. He said:
QuoteThe real problem of the Christian life comes where people do not usually look for it. ...It comes the very moment you wake up each morning. All your wishes and hopes for the day rush at you like wild animals. And the first job each morning consists simply in shoving them all back; in listening to that other voice, taking that other point of view, letting that other larger, stronger, quieter life come flowing in. And so on, all day. Standing back from all your natural fussings and frettings; coming in out of the wind. We can only do it for a moments at first. But from those moments the new sort of life will be spreading through our system: because now we are letting Him work at the right part of us. (Mere Christianity, p. 198-199)
I have found that in the quieter life (not necessarily doing less, but being more at peace) the gospel can feel fresh and alive again.
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8 hours ago, zil said:
If you can do this, good, but too often people overbook themselves and find they've gotten to the end of the day and haven't done any pondering. I think that is why so many of our leaders (including prophets) tell us to set aside a specific time, so that it can't get buried and forgotten by the other tasks of the day. (I find the "overbooking" might be one of the biggest challenges for members of the church today - I hear the complaint constantly from many members that they don't have time for this or that gospel or church thing. My response is a challenge to prayerfully find one time-consumer to remove from their life and not replace (because the Lord will replace it through promptings, if they let him).)
And, I wish to add, that the 30 minutes studying the scriptures challenged by my stake president included pointing out that this might be 5 minutes of reading and 25 minutes of pondering - the important point was that a greater (for most people) amount of time is spent "in the scriptures" or "feasting". In other words, your counsel to ensure the Spirit is with you as you study can be met regardless of whether you do it all at once, or ponder throughout the day, and should be implicit when we discuss scripture study (though I appreciate the explicit reminder).
I think setting aside time to read the ponder the scriptures is indeed important and I have no problem with the way your stake president outlined spending that 30 minutes. The problem is, that we as a society are so task oriented that many do not implicitly understand that we must allow ourselves space during our reading so the spirit may enter in. In fact, despite this being the most important aspect, we leave it out. Instead we create another task on our to do list. We focus our minds on completing the task and feel that we must accomplish some good thing (it may be getting through two chapters, or even trying to force ourselves to feel the spirit). However, as long as we are in such a frame of mind it is hard for the spirit to enter. Pushing in this way, over time, we feel weighed down by scripture study instead of lifted up.
What I'm saying, is for that 30 minutes or 5 minutes, just forget what you need to accomplish. Just lose yourself in the words. You may lose yourself by searching the scriptures, or simply by considering one verse. In that space the spirit will come and what was a chore will become a joy.
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May the Lord bless you in the endeavor. In a while you'll have to return to this thread and tell us how it went.
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I submit that a focus on how much time is spent in the scriptures misses the point. Time reading the word does not equate to our lives being edified. The Savior himself clearly points this out when he tells the Pharisees the following:
QuoteAnd the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. (John 5:37-40 ESV)
These people considered themselves masters of the scriptures and quoted them often and regularly. Yet note that when Christ came they did not see who he was. Why? Because despite their reading, they had never heard the Father's voice and his word was not abiding in them. They thought they would find eternal life by reading the scriptures but they were so far from the Lord that they wanted to kill him!
Focus instead on feeling the spirit of the Lord when you read. This may mean spending just a minute reading a verse and then pondering on it on and off during the day. I have been greatly enlightened by doing so. Or if may mean reading a book from start to finish (particularly if you are new to the gospel). Or perhaps, asking questions, in faith, of the scriptures and searching for the answer. I have found all of these methods useful. But in any case, the vital point is to receive enlightenment, inspiration, and even revelation. By doing so, your time in the scriptures will be a joy and you will draw closer to the Lord.
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You might consider other objects as well, the liahona, the urim and thumim, the seer stones, the bronze serpent. In fact some religions believe the sacrament bread and water are holy and treat them as sacred objects. Now that I'm writing this, what about temples themselves, or perhaps dedicated ground like Martin's cove?
I believe there is some truth to blessing objects and endowing them of use to the faithful. Joseph for instance had a handkerchief he gave to Wilford Woodruff when the saints were sick and told him to wipe the faces of the children and they would be healed. Such objects may be of great use to the faithful. But I also believe there is a danger. Those not in tune may come to treat the object itself , not God who sanctified it, as sacred. For instance, Moses' brazen serpent was setup in the temple and people started to worship it, instead of the living God. Hezekiah, a righteous king, broke it into peaces, "He did what was right in the sight of the Lord just as his ancestor David had done. He removed the high places, broke down the pillars, and cut down the sacred pole. He broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it; it was called Nehushtan." (2 Kings 18:3-4).
Unfortunately, people are quick to worship an object before the living God. As Spencer W. Kimball said, "Few men have ever knowingly and deliberately chosen to reject God and his blessings. Rather, we learn from the scriptures that because the exercise of faith has always appeared to be more difficult than relying on things more immediately at hand, carnal man has tended to transfer his trust in God to material things. Therefore, in all ages when men have fallen under the power of Satan and lost the faith, they have put in its place a hope in the “arm of flesh” and in “gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know” (Dan. 5:23)—that is, in idols." (The False God's We Worship, Ensign, June 1976).
So, to answer the question, I believe it can be done according to the Lord's will and as directed by him. But care should be taken that those who are so blessed by it realize that it is just an object.
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Just to confirm and add to what others have said, it is within your power to command these evil spirits to leave. I have found a prayer from the heart is sufficient in most instances. Because I have needed to offer such prayers fairly regularly I have come to recognize the feeling. If I don't offer a prayer from the heart nothing happens, but when I do it correctly I feel a power flowing from me and then an immediate different feeling in the room, the fear leaves and I am at peace again. I have not experienced paralysis but I could see this being a scary experience.
Some think that you can offer a prayer once and such a spirit will be gone for good. I don't believe this is typically the case. You must offer regular prayers to cast them out and protect your home.
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I agree, it is definitely not the whole story. There is so much tied to salvation for the dead.
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13 hours ago, Carborendum said:
No, I'm not really talking about salvation for the dead. I specifically said I get that side of the "Spirit of Elijah". They need us to perform their work. "They cannot be made perfect without us". I understand this much.
I'm asking specifically about two things:
- The other side of the equation. How is it that WE need THEM? "We without our dead cannot be made perfect". That half of the equation is what I don't understand.
- How is redeeming the dead SO IMPORTANT that the other missions of the Church are all for naught if we don't perform this one?
Yes, please explain it to me.
On 7/25/2016 at 2:44 PM, Carborendum said:Ever since the global indexing effort, I've had a lot of thoughts floating around in my mind about this, so I haven't yet put them all together yet. But I wanted to put a series of questions to the forum for your consideration.
Here is an excerpt from D&C 128:18
QuoteFor we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also; for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time.
I realize that the first sentence is what is repeated most often. But I've recently had time to ponder the rest of the quote. In fact, I've been quite preoccupied with the entire verse and the related verses which quote Malachi's prophecy.
What is with the "welding link"? Somehow I don't believe that the welding of dispensations is done by family geneology. I believe it is through the bestowal of priesthood keys from dispensation to dispensation (e.g. Elijah to Joseph Smith).
Well I've been struggling with the multi quote option so let me just leave it as it is above and comment on the matter.
This is an important and large topic. Right now, I think I can only hit one key point about priesthood and the temple. Joseph says in D&C 128:11, "Now the great and grand secret of the whole matter, and the summum bonum of the whole subject that is lying before us, consist in obtaining the power of the Holy Priesthood. For him to whom these keys are given there is no difficulty in obtaining a knowledge of facts in relation to the salvation of the children of men, both as well for the dead as for the living." To understand priesthood is to understand the temple ordinances. Over time some truths have been impressed on my mind, let me speak of a few.
In D&C 2, the angel Moroni says, "Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers." Let me focus on this term, "the fathers", or perhaps better written, "The Fathers". This is not referring to our parents but is a title for a certain set of individuals. Abraham helps us understand this, "And finding there was greater happiness and peace and rest for me, I sought for the blessings of the fathers, and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same,...and to possess a great knowledge, and to be a father of many nations, a prince of peace, and desiring to receive instructions, and to keep the commandments of God, I became a rightful heir, ad High Priest, holding the right belonging to the fathers. It was conferred upon me from the fathers; it came down from the fathers, from the beginning of time, yea, even from the beginning, or before the foundation of the earth, down to the present time, even the right of the firstborn, or the first man, who is Adam, or first father, through the fathers unto me." (Abraham 1:2-4) So when Malachi is quoted as saying, "promises made to the fathers" we should understand this as the promises made to those who received the title of "Father" from God. This includes Adam, our first Father, along with Abraham, Isaiac and Jacob. But not only them, Joseph should be included along with other great Patriarch's who received the promise of God. We should turn to these Father's and seek the promise they have obtained.
Those who have thus received the promise directly from God enter into this order. (By order it is not meant a sorting of people, but rather a group or fraternity of like individuals. Earthly examples include the Masonic Order or Order of the Phoenix if Harry Potter strikes your fancy.) In Abraham's day it was known as the Patriarchal Order. More completely it was called "the Holy Priesthood after the Order of the Son of God" (D&C 107:3). In the Book of Mormon it is often simplified to "Holy Order" or "Order of God" (see Ether 12:10 for one reference). To enter into this order is to obtain power from God, or priesthood.
One enters this priesthood order when they are sealed up, both to eternal life and to their spouse, because despite the term patriarchal order, it requires a man and a woman together. Those who become members of this holy order obtain the highest degree in the celestial kingdom as the scriptures testify, "In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; and in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]" (D&C 131:1-3). It is not sufficient to simply receive the forms, we must receive the promise for ourselves and our spouse must do likewise. Elder McConkie put it so well, "...after celestial marriage; after entering into sacred covenants in the house of the Lord; after receiving the conditional promise of the continuation of the family unit in eternity. ...We must so live as to receive the guarantees to which we have thus been called, and the assurances that appertain to our election and which are given on a conditional basis only in celestial marriage... We must press forward in righteousness until our calling and election is made sure; and this high achievement grows our of and is the crowning reward of celestial marriage. (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 3:352-353).
Those who receive such a blessing reach out to their children, pleading for them, and sooner or later "the hearts of the children turn to their fathers" for they have a part in that promise as heirs. Here then we come full circle. The Father's reaching for the sons and the son's seeking the promise of the Father's.
- zil, Edspringer and mordorbund
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On 7/25/2016 at 2:44 PM, Carborendum said:On 7/25/2016 at 2:44 PM, Carborendum said:
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Oh boy... When I was dating I got so tired of these little games. These just leave questions in a guy's (or girls) mind. It was sometimes hard to tell if someone wanted to get out again or not. In the end I married someone who avoided the games all together. I know where she stood with me and she knew where I stood with her. Yes, honesty can sometimes hurt, but do you really want to be with someone who plays mind games, or to be the person who does? Such beginings form the basis after marriage, and trust me you do not want someone who plays mind games in your marriage.
Just speak plainly. Ask him if he would be interested on going on a date with you. Tell him you understand about giving him space before his mission. If he is interested you will need to find out what "space" really means. Just talk to him about it if/when the time is right. Then stick to the plan and be firm. Dating takes some thick skin. Most the time it doesn't work out. But if and when it does you'll be happy that you didn't have to string your husband along in order for him to care about you.
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17 hours ago, Blackmarch said:
sooner or later everyone will be free, save for those who go to outer darkness. That freedom will certainly only come on conditions of following Christ.... and I don't see how anyone is going to get out of being baptised and still be able to take upon the name of Christ to whatever degree.
Sure, this is not a question about the final state of those in a kingdom of glory. When they change and accept Christ fully, they are definitely freed from spirit prison. But what of those who have not obtained a kingdom of glory but are working through the process. TheSQUIDSTER says those who are in spirit prison here will be in spirit prison there, I tend to agree. But are they freed when they change, even though they have not been baptized by proxy? See, this gets to something we hear all the time about temple work. Namely, that when we perform an ordinance for the dead and they accept they are freed from spirit prison and before such a time they remain in spirit prison. So according to this logic, there are a whole host of spirits who are ready to be freed from spirit prison but just need their ordinances done. In essence they are held back until the ordinance itself is complete. Does that seem right?
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Are stake has been very proactive in trying to improve missionary preparation. They have missionary prep classes for all ages from 14-18. They split them up into three classes, 14-15, 15-16, 17-18. The youngest group has a 6 week course, and the last group an 8 week course that continually repeats. My wife is the teacher for the oldest group. They go over Preach My Gospel. There is some important material these YM/YW do not know. For instance, on working with members they had practically no idea what a ward council was. She had me help to do a mock ward council in her class. The 15-16 year-olds spend time talking about mentally preparing for a mission. Many missionaries find it hard to be away from home and a number have come back in our stake because of such problems.
They have also recently been having the the YM/YW who turned in their papers start serving as temple workers. They serve for a month or so before they go. We'll see what all of this amounts to, over then next year or two.
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On 7/1/2016 at 4:41 PM, Zarahemla said:
I just feel bad about the billions of people who die and have to start off in prison since they were never baptized. Thank goodness for missionary work going on in the spirit world and temple work. When you go to the Temple remember that you're helping save souls. When I did endowment sessions I used to worry about which of the 4 temple videos I'd see. But now I try to focus on the dead person I'm doing the work for.
From what I have read there seems to be a sort of grey area here. Some say that if spirits repent they are freed from spirit prison, others that they need to repent and receive the ordinances before being free.
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What about Shiz trying to breath with his head cut off. I'm pretty sure a movie version would be rated "R". But, I doubt we will ever see an authorized edited version of the BofM.
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14 hours ago, summer said:
I don't even know if I am going to be able to explain what I am thinking...but I am going to try because this is so hard for me to comprehend from a spiritual perspective. What is faith? I have horrible anxiety and I worry about everyone all of the time, I am always anxious and want to be able to make sure that everyone is always okay...I wear myself out mentally, emotionally and physically. I know that I live out of fear and not faith and I DO NOT want to live this way, I am miserable living this way. I do trust Heavenly Father completely...however...you know how "they" always say "do what you can and Heavenly Father will do there rest? Well I overwhelm myself by doing absolutely EVERYTHING I can!! I drive my teenagers anywhere that seems even remotely scary for their friends to take them, I watch my younger children like an absolute hawk, I feel like I have to be 50 steps ahead of everyone all of the time. BUT as my children are getting older I realize that I have to let them go...I have to let them grow and learn...so if they are asked to go with one of their friends and they need to drive on the freeway for example...do I drive them (because I CAN take them and I am always willing to) OR do I allow them to go with their friends and have faith that Heavenly Father will protect them?
For example...in an instance where a mom contracts the zika virus during pregnancy...some baby are born with birth defects and some babies are not born with birth defects. In these instances can we have faith that exactly what was "meant to happen" from a spiritual perspective happened? Can we have faith in Heavenly Father in these cases? Should we have faith and still get pregnant if we know that we can very likely be exposed to the pika virus and that it could potentially harm the baby? Or should we not get pregnant to avoid anything potentially harming the baby? What does it mean to have faith in these cases? What would our Heavenly Father have us do?
It sounds like you paint most situations as black or white. This creates a lot of "should" statements in your mind. You should drive your son, you should not get pregnant, etc. By creating these black and white scenarios you convince yourself you must act or else you are a failure. So in the example above, the automatic thought is, "I should drive my son because if he gets hurt it is my fault". Do you see the problem with this thinking? You have created a distortion in your mind where if you don't act it is your fault. With this mental distortion in place either you will be filled with anxiety or you must drive your son. Anything less means you have failed. Does this sound familiar?
But let's examine the situation. First, if you didn't drive him what are the chances that he gets in an accident? Probably very slim. Second, let's suppose you didn't drive him and he got in an accident. Is it really your fault because you didn't drive him? Could it be that this is just an accident and you don't need to assign blame to yourself or anyone else? Accidents happen, you cannot prevent them.
My suggestion is to change this all or nothing thinking and these unrealistic should scenarios you create in your mind. Examine the thinking before you act. Dr. David Burns in a great book called "Feeling Good" suggests something he calls "Daily Record of Dysfunctional Thoughts". When you have one of these thoughts that paints your actions as black and white examine them. I think it helps to write them down.
1. Situation - Briefly describe what is happening
2. Emotions - Describe your feelings
3. Automatic Thoughts - Describe the thoughts that first enter your mind
4. Rational Thoughts - Write down what a more rational response would be
5. Outcome - Write down how you are feeling after thinking more rationally
14 hours ago, summer said:Does any of this make any sense? It is so hard to explain how I feel...are we punished by Heavenly Father by not doing enough? Will He protect us if we are meant to be protected? How do we live with faith and not with fear?
I am quickly running out of time, but these feelings of guilt are another mental distortion. The distorted thinking follows these lines. First, I have done something I shouldn't have, or failed to do something I should, because my actions fall short of my moral standards (in this case God's expectations). Second, this failure to act shows I'm a bad person, or tainted, etc. This concept of doing something "bad" causes guilt. It appears to me you have pushed this feeling into every situation. Don't make every situation and every second a moral dilemma. You are not "punished" by Heavenly Father for failing to act in every scenario. I can see you are a wonderful person who has created some irrational expectations for yourself. Start to let these go and you will be amazed at how your burden in your mind is lifted. You will probably feel a weight off of your shoulders you have not felt in a long time.
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I hope it's as you say, because I've liked Ryan, but I don't see it yet. In fact, Ryan came out in clear opposition to Trump and then after one discussion he was in support. What will he do when he and Trump don't agree on another significant issue? Will he really stand up or will he cave again? At this point he looks weak, even if his 180 was genuine. Perception will kill you in the abyss of politics, which is exactly what he has raped himself up in.
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8 hours ago, anatess2 said:
Show proof.
Trump has shown by his words and actions that he does not support key principles Ryan supports. For example, Trump does not favor Ryan's push for entitlement reform, tax limits, or adherence to the rule of law and constitutional principles. It seems quite clear that Ryan endorsed him largely because in their face to face meeting Trump said he would support Ryan's House Agenda. Ryan has told us that the agenda outlines a plan for a better tax code, provides a better health care plan than Obamacare, and offers a way to restore constitutional principles. Notice any problems with Ryan's agenda and Trump's positions? In two of three issues Ryan specifically mentions, they are on different sides of the fence! This is not idealism, it is what we call politics.
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On June 3, 2016 at 8:13 AM, anatess2 said:
Sure. If that was anybody else but Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is a wonky guy. I've studied him in 2012. He's one of these idealistic guys that have not gotten sucked up into the abyss of politics in his desire to get the government working.
Until now...
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5 hours ago, tesuji said:
Human spirits are made of matter, but a more refined type of matter that our mortal eyes can see. The spiritual creation of the world and all things in it could refer to the organizing of this spiritual material, which could be essentially inanimate. So I wouldn't say that spirit matter is life; but that spirit life is made up of that spirit material.
Also, I myself kinda think that God creating things spiritually first means just that they were planned in God's mind first, before they came into being. If this is true, then it is more compatible with what science tells us about how things came to be. Not that science has it all correct, though....
True enough that in one narrow context the word "spirit" refers to refined matter. But the Light of Christ, or sometimes Holy Spirit, Spirit, or Spirit of Truth does not simply refer to refined matter, it is the influence of the God, which permeates and penetrates the entire universe. It is light, intelligence, and ultimately life. It is this life and light of which we all partake. As our scriptures plainly testify:
QuoteAnd the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings; which ilight proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space - the light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things (D&C 88:11-13)
In so much as we have the Spirit (the influence of God) we have life. As the Savior testified, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10). I have simply extended these statements beyond their usually context to inanimate objects on the one end and the beyond are current state at the other.
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Perhaps the scientific view of life is too narrow. If we take the scriptural view we would say the spirit is life and that all things were created spiritually before they were created physically. There are no objects that do not have some form of spirit and thus some form of life. But those objects which have only a small portion (or lesser part) of spirit are to us called "inanimate" or "dead". To gain more of the spirit is to gain more life, to be more connected, to be more in tune with spirit. So Christ, who descended below all things and ascended on high is connected to all spirit, or all life.
Thus as Parley P. Pratt said, " Its [The Spirit's] inspiration constitutes instinct in animal life, reason in man, vision in the Prophets, and is continually flowing from the Godhead throughout all His creatures." (Key to the Science of Theology, Ch V).
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Ok, I replaced it with a new image. Let me know if it comes through now.
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On 4/14/2016 at 6:10 AM, Carborendum said:
I have to apologize. I was wondering why you hadn't replied to this post until I realized I never hit "post". So, here it is.
BTW, thank you for engaging me in this conversation. You're only the second person I've spoken with on the other side of this issue (and I've spoken to MANY) that actually spent some time learning and thinking about the actual data. It's been enlightening.
Unfortunately, I am in a crunch for this week and next. So I cannot give you the time and attention you deserve. I can say stuff off the top of my head. But all the data that is necessary for this discussion will take research time that I don't have right now. But here is what I've got for now.
Wavenumber (cm^-1). Got it. I just looked at the numbers and assumed they were wavelengths. Sorry.
Here are the graphs that I've got. The unit conversion shows that they don't seem to agree with your chart.
Here is a fairly good representation that combines the graphs and images above along with the data I shared. The image can be split into a top portion and a bottom portion.
· Top: The top left portion shows the solar radiation reaching the earth’s surface. The top right section represents the thermal radiation which escapes earth’s atmosphere.
· Bottom: The bottom section indicates the amount of radiation both incoming (on the left) and outgoing (on the right) which is absorbed by the atmosphere and includes water vapor, greenhouse gasses, etc.
The graph I previously showed is related but is just a small portion of this chart (from 5-16um). Your first graph (7.6-9.4um) and third graph (5-20um) are also just a portion of the above image.
Hopefully we can talk the same language now. When you get a second give me your comments.
Gary Johnson comments on Religious Freedom
in Current Events
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I was just paraphrasing Johnson's statement. However, I do think it is important to not confuse different definitions of the same word, as I believe Zil has done. It appears clear to me that Gary Johnson was referring to this definition, "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex." Of course we must chose between our actions, but this use of the word is a completely different context.