Latter Days Guy

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    You are quite right, there are some terrible things happening to the Palestinians. I've heard about it from some native palestinians themselves. I've also heard about the horrible things that are happening to Israel from some jews.

    I don't think this issue is completely black and white.

     

    That is very true, nothing is ever black and white.  But when you have the veto of the US in the UN security council in your back pocket then the prospect of peace isn't looking very likely.

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    An "improved overall feeling of good will towards the US" is merely your opinion, and even if it was accurate I frankly couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks.
     
    For the most part the nations of this world are led by a pack of Marxist/Communist/Socialist thugs. If they are at odds with Netanyahu then he must be doing something right.

     

    And its that kind of arrogant attitude that destroys the trust and support that the US could have in the rest of the world.  

  3. I can think of a few possibilities:

     

    1.  Quit freakin' launching rockets at Israeli civilian populations.  (Over 2,500 of them since early 2012 alone.  Yes, they're done rather incompetently, such that fatalities are minimal; but these numbers nevertheless give the lie to the notion that Israel isn't under attack--the Arab states are just letting the Palestinians do their dirty work for them.)

    2.  Quit kidnapping Israeli nationals.

    3.  Quit digging tunnels under the border for the purpose of facilitating smuggling, kidnappings, or raids.

    4.  Quit allowing rocket launchers, supply depots, etc. to be set up on the rooftops of homes, hospitals, and schools.

    5.  Use all my efforts as a citizen of Gaza to persuade fellowcitizens to follow 1-4 above.

    6.  Elect a government that will make a serious effort at following 1-4 above.

    7.  Lobby the UN to place a permanent, non-Arab peacekeeping force in Gaza.

    8.  When the UN gives me money for infrastructure--use it for infrastructure, rather than for military development.

    9.  Present a cohesive plan, to Israel and the world, as to how you're going to keep an independent Gaza from becoming another staging ground from which to launch raids against the Israeli heartland, and how you're going to keep it from becoming an ISIS- or Iranian-dominated cesspool.

    10.  Lobby Egypt and the UN into opening its southern border with Gaza.  (It's not just those awful, awful Joos who are starving the Gazans into submission.  The Egyptians don't want anything to do with the place either--because they know it's a security nightmare.)

    Israel dropped more on Gaza in two weeks that have been shot at them since 2012.  During the so called cease fire after the latest Israeli incursions there was almost daily sorties by their air force bombing into Gaza, not much of a cease fire.

    Palestinians are subjected to kidnapping and imprisonment on an almost daily basis.  

    When the only way to get food, construction materials, medical supplies into Gaza is via the tunnels due to the Israeli blockade and limited quota on what can be brought in, then tunnels are going to continue to be built.

    One of the tactics the Israeli armed forced used last year was to drop leaflets stating safe zones and UN compounds as places of safety which where then bombed. 

    Are Palestinians not allowed to have weapons to defend themselves or is that just the right of the occupying Israeli forces?

    They did elect a government in full and fair elections, that Israel doesn't like them doesn't give them the right to bomb and starve them into submission.  Hamas offered a 10 year long truce to allow the peace process to proceed, there has been a frame work to get a peaceful resolution to the situation on the table since 1993 but Israel stalls and changes the goal posts at every turn.  Now they are against the two state solution that they said they supported since 1993, is it any wonder there is no peace?  The Arab League has even tabled a peace plan which would have brought the normalisation of relations and peace treaties with all Arab nations which Israel snubbed,  Is that what a country looking for peace does?

    The border between Egypt and Gaza is closed at the behest of the Israeli government as Egypt values the support of Israel and the US over the lives of those dying in Gaza.

  4. I'd trade Netanyahu in a heartbeat for our own POTUS, and I'd throw in a thousand bucks of my own money, too. 

     

    So you would trade the president who has improved the over all feeling of good will towards the US whilst in power for a leader who has damaged the global reputation of his nation internationally during his time as leader?  That really makes sense doesn't it! not.

  5. I'm going to confess to not being a big student of the ins and outs of the Israeli/Palestinian/Arab conflict.  However, one side is launching bombs and suicide bombers against civilian targets.  One side has all the surrounding countries clamoring for genocide against Jews.  When a country is under siege by enemies that surround it on all sides, and by an enemy within, then we might hold them to a different standard than we would say our own troops operating in foreign lands. 

     

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4695/hamas-terror-tunnels

    If you were a person living in Gaza, what would you do?  You live in a piece of land 25 miles long by 7 miles wide at its widest, your hemmed in on all sides, have no right to free travel outside of the border wall and there is close to 2 million people living in that tiny space.  Your amenities are bombed into dust on a regular basis, there are severe restrictions on the import of most commodities.  You have to spend hours waiting for the possibility of getting through a checkpoint which can close at the drop of a hat on the whim of the soldiers manning it. If you need to attend a hospital or in desperate need of medical help you have to wait in line, no chance of being rushed through.  Premature babies are delivered in ambulances and often die due to not getting to the hospital in time.  What would you do in that situation?  I think I would do as some people in a similar situation did, I would fight to get my freedom back, even in the face of over whelming military forces rained against me, a bit like the Jews in the Warsaw getto in 1943 did.

    As for all those countries clamouring for Israel's destruction, since 1973 which of those nations have acted in or directly attacked Israel?  None. However that cannot be said of Israel who seem to think they can attack anyone they wish with little or no threat of repercussions due to the blank cheque of protection afforded them by the US in the United Nations.

    The only people who are under siege are the Palestinians, who according to the UN are still an occupied people. 

  6. The genocide against the Palestinians he sanctioned in operation cast lead and protective edge, the continued illegal settlement building on Palestinian land, the implementation of an apartheid regime where Palestinians are subjected to a brutal occupation by the Israeli Armed forces, his flagrant disregard for international law, his total unwillingness to follow through with the various peace process agreements dating back to the Oslo accord, the list goes on.

  7. There is no question Muslims in America are safer than those in Muslim majority countries. My comment is a little off topic but related to the idea of tolerance and safely. The reality is, that how unsafe non-muslims are in areas that are prodomintly muslim. For example, I am sure everyone has seen those moronic bumper stickers "coexist," well, an artist in France was painting (Graffiti) the word "coexist" on a wall and was beaten up be a few muslims.

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2947822/Graffiti-artist-attacked-gang-Paris-ghetto-drawing-word-coexist-Christian-Muslim-Jewish-symbols.html

     

    Just last week, a Jewish man conducted an experiment where he walked around Paris in areas dominated but Muslims for 10 hours, and the way he was treated speaks volumes about the tolerance of this culture. How many comments would a jew in America receive if he walked around major U.S. City for 10 yours. 

     

    Keep in mind, these are just two examples that came to my mind, AND that just happened within the last two weeks. 

     

     

    The guy in Paris wasn't beaten up by Muslims at all, I don't know where you got that idea from.

  8. That is correct about having to have weddings that are open to the public. We also have as I mentioned above civil marriages which are carried out by locally appointed registrars and are not religious at all, purely secular, which those who choose not to have a church wedding can opt for.  Gay marriage in the UK is a civil marriage in that its done from a purely secular standpoint.  So church weddings (not necessarily LDS church weddings) and civil weddings are totally different, other than a few legally prescribed bits which need to be said to make the marriage legal in law.  As I asked above, do you have state enacted civil marriages and if you do, do you view these as being the same as a church wedding where the commitments are made before God instead of before a local government official?

  9. I don't know about the US but in the UK gay marriage is a civil wedding and is not done in a church or has anything said or relating to God in the service, its purely secular.  Is that the case in the US?  Also do you view a Church wedding where you make commitments before God to be the same as a civil wedding where you are basically making a legally binding contract between two people?

    Personally I would have no problem with attending a Gay wedding if it was a civil one, but would not attend a religious one as that would go against the scriptural teachings on what a faith based marriage is.  

  10. You are right the author is a woman. I checked after I wrote that.

    The book says she is 21...but she doesn't act 21. Outside of the church (even in the church) it's rare to find a 21 yr old girl who has no sexual experience. She wears pigtails and talks about cartwheels....sound pretty young to me.

    And there is no doubt in anyone's mind that Gray is abusive, right?

    I'll accept that we cant know for sure what the authors intent was. However there is something called "death of the author which means once the work is out there people will interpret it as they will. Frozen is an example...though I didn't agree with the LGBT angle, many people did. Another example is Lord of The Rings...many people see Christian themes in that but Tolkien said that was not his intent. And let's not forget Harry Potter and the witch craft accusations.

    Whether or not we agree about the pedophilia/abuse angle we can all agree that a movie that is openly pornographic and BDSM being so popula in our culture is not a good sign. What comes next? THAT question is my main point in sharing the article.

     

    You say she doesn't act 21, doesn't stop her being that.  When I was at bible college we had an American girl in our year, she wore her hair in pigtails, did cart wheels out the back of the dorm, roller bladed around the car park.  She was quite proud that she had never experienced or done any of those things before in her life either (talking about sex and masturbation).  She was 23. 

    Is it consensual?  If what happens in the books is consensual then by definition it cannot be abuse.  From what my wife says he never goes beyond what she wants to happen, if it was abuse then that wouldn't be the case.

    But its not popular in our culture, the our culture being the culture of the Church.  It is popular in the worldly culture outside of the church, but then the world isn't defined by the same standards as the Church.

  11. LP, with all due respect, this article goes in the same vein as that Mormon blogger (was it Well-Behaved Mormon Woman?) who slammed Frozen as purposely advocating the Gay Agenda.

     

    Like all interpretative works of art - Fictional narratives, paintings, etc. - what you glean from it depicts more of what your interests are rather than what the artist's are...  as aptly pointed out by that Gay Mormon dude who is married to a woman... can't remember his name either... who responded to that Frozen article.

     

    There's a gay agenda in Frozen! Never heard that one before!

  12. I've been hearing about 50 Shades on writers forums since it was still fan fiction.  I know the author is supposed to be a woman.  I also know that most authors who write erotica use pseudonyms.

     

    So how do you explain the female protagonist who is said to be 21, but in all other ways appears to be 12 or 13?

     

    How do you explain the steps that Grey took which mirror those of a pedophile?

     

    No the author is a woman, there is no if or buts about it.  Also if the book says she's 21 I would assume that that is her age, if you or the author of the article read into it something else then I think its you who has the problem not the author of the book.  I asked my wife about this last night (she has read all three books and seen the film), if she thought that Ana's character in the book was written to be a lot younger than portrayed?  She laughed and said no, she's just  very inexperienced and a bit naive to start. 

    Also its not paedophiles its hebephiles who are interested in 12/13 year olds.  Does Gray mirror those steps or is the author of the article just seeing what they want to see to promote their own agenda and garner some publicity of the back of someone else's success?  The thing is we can read what we want to see into anything we read if we want to find something wrong with it.