EarlJibbs

This reminds me of a time I was asked to teach in Releif Society with my wife about parenthood and Mothers. I really do not like giving lessons about that topic, because there are those in the class that cannot physically have children, are not married and frankly not going to be any time soon. If I were going to go down the list of every way those that didnt have children could apply the lesson into their lives multiple times throughout the lesson...it wouldnt have been given. We did stop for a moment to address this concern, but I did not keep coming back to it. My parralel is that there is always someone that the message may not apply to. They should know who they are, and if they are so stirred up about it afterwards they can ask questions. The old Mission President could have stated it a different way, but that doesnt mean the statement is any less true. I have someone in my ward that does forensic work on computers relating to child porn. He would see the stuff all the time pulling it off comupters ( I say what a terrible job). If someone made the blanket statement that everyone needs to stay clear of child porn period, would he then quit his job feeling that he is somehow unrighteous? You know when you are an exception. And if you have doubts, you seek an answer.

This post reminds me that I need to purge my house again. I do it every year or so. Cloths, toys, furniture...It's going to look like my house just puked on the front lawn! :) Okay, maybe not that bad, but I said purge...

Hey now, I liked my bag of dehydrated eggs . You both are right however. This is why I am not planning this detailed. I have plenty to do as far as regular food storage and planning for a 1-3 day emergency, let alone an apocalypse situation.

So the ANSWER to the OP in your opinion is really, "no one can tell you exactly what may be in store for you for punishment because no one has been in your shoes exactly. Sorry, you are on your own" ?? That was done, by Dravin in the first post. Case closed. No one should have commented after that. So really I should just keep my mounth shut because I dont have your experience. But in reality, you do not have the same experience as the OP, you do not have the same attitude, the same back ground, the same friends, the same bishop... so what do you know about what councel he will be given or "exactly" what to expect. Based off of your attitude... you don't. None of us do. So why post anything at all? Have we all failed the OP by giving what experiences we have had? I thinik not. I think there have been some great posts here showing both sides of how you could feel and what may go on. Not all pointing to a flowery feeling. Should we not all gain something in this conversation? I for one have. And although yours being all pesimistic and untrusting of others, have gianed from your comments as well. I for one am a little ashamed of our attitude on this topic and hope that the OP leaves with something they can use. Not just a bunch of "you don't know anything" Best wishes.

This can be good for simply backpacking as well, but you can make a great tasting omlet that weighs little. Place in a zip lock bag powdered egg and milk. Put in to your taste bacon bits, dried onions, seasoning. When you go to cook it, add some water, leave it in the bag and boil it. I dont have all the light weight stuff as suggested. I have more of a bag with all my camping essentials. I figure if I have to really go that far, it will be by vehicle, not back packing, but if you have to do that, good luck anyway. Either way. When I go camping, it's easy to get ready. I just throw my army duffle bag in the car and mount my roof bag. It has all the tents, bags, cooking etc...

I agree with you Backroads. To add on. How many missionaries go out for the wrong reasons, but come return with a more solid testimony? I may be an example of someone that went just to go. I new the church was true, although my knowledge of the gospel was not what is could have been. I did want to go, but not because I had a desire to baptise a thousand people in a river, I felt a pressure to go since it was my duty and I went. I worked hard and returned with a testimony to suit. Regardless of how many people were baptized, I was converted along with everyone else. How many missionaries go because of this? I think there are plenty. Plenty enough to have it be a duty.

I re-read my original post and find nothing offensive or contrary to what could happen to anyone. I agree that not every time someone enters into any type of disciplinary meeting that you are going to leave as a happy soul. It very well could be a spiritual experience for everyone involved. On the ward side with the bishopric alone, we prayed, talked, prayed talked and prayed again. That is a recipe for a spiritual experience. Not one of smiles, but one of concern and tears. Not one any of us asked for, or wanted, but one that in the end we could say that we appreciated. We could feel the love the savior had for this individual. I cannot say what the other person felt. I apologize if my verbiage "should" was taken as "must". If I used the word "could" would that have cleared things up? I will continue suggest a spiritual experience to anyone that is seeking repentance. Maybe not the kind of spiritual experience you get when you are in the temple for the first time, or being sealed to your spouse or children. But any time you can feel the spirit, it is a spiritual experience. Why shouldnt someone feel the spirit when participating in part of the repentance process? Remorse for your sins is not a pleasant feeling, but that does not mean that you cannot feel the love of God through the Holy Ghost. I truely wish you the best myalternate, and I am glad you have a story of success to share and give hope to others. I would hope that you would not discredit my experience because of yours. Both do not contradict eachother. They are simply different.

It looks like you have fallen into the roll of the one that cleans. What are her rolls? I fell into the one who cooks dinner. It was just something I started since my wife was home with the kids all day. So when I get home I know that I change from a shirt and tie into my apron. The good thing is that I cant complain that I dont like the food! I am the one who cooks it! :) There seems to be some underlying factor to why your spouse doesnt like to clean and why she wouldnt change. Are you being entirely too strict on what it is to be clean? My advice is to sit down and have frank talks, and schedule a councelor if you feel it is affecting your eternal relationship.

I may take some heat, oh well. I dont exactly have a problem with what he said. Are there **reasons** to not go on a mission? Yes there are. He could have gone down the long list of all of the reasons that we all think are completely acceptable not to go on a mission. But you know when you have a good reason (not excuse) to not go. If you hear those words and truely doubt and feel bad about not going, maybe you could have worked that out, or still can. Maybe by cutting the fluffy stuff out of our now "dont tell me what I have to do because that is not proper" society he helped some young man that is now 11 years old place in his mind that he is going to go no matter what. If you feel no pressure to go on a mission, in my opinion, something is wrong. Pressure to do right by your preisthood responsabilities should be a natural feeling.

I at least knew that Mohonri Moriancumr was his name :). But reading about him and his great faith leading up to him leading the expedition to the promise land is great. I think that the reference to Jared - since Jared was the one who directed him to pray that he and his friends wouldnt be confounded is important. It points out I think who he looked up to? I guess in reality the name may not be important, as long as we can take the lessons given out of it. My wife and I were just reading in Ether and I never really thought about it.

I looked to see if this was asked already and I couldnt find a similar thread. So here goes. I have done little research on this so I wanted to turn to those that I think are vastly more educated than I am in gospel topics (YOU! ). Why is the Brother of Jared's name not mentioned in the BOM? Why not use his name?

Great for detailing (or any house hold use) is the "magic Eraser" it will take any scuff mark or stain off just about anything in your car. I even used it on my leather...BAM... gone! The plus is that you can get them at the dollar store (non-brand of course), at least you can where I am at. I like it so much I would endorse them for free... and just did. Oh, I also use it on my shoes, gets the scuff off of the white. Good luck!

I have had the unfortunate but blessed experience to be a part of ward level disciplinary meeting/s before. Most cases can stay on a ward level. If your offense involves taking advantage of another whether it is sexual to finance, usually always goes to the stake level. It was actually a very spiritual experience. If it comes to this, and I mean IF, since there is no way to tell until you have talked to your bishop, if you truely are ready to move on and repent, it should be an uplifting experience leaving you with a great sense of hope and the feeling that your Heavenly Father really loves you. Best of luck!

I didnt enjoy the closing at all. It seemed the only thing they had to showcase was Mercedes and the 60's. Why not add in some other history? Like the Brittish guard? It was all a little too Euro Trash concert for me.

Some good advice here. I second those that have said to take it easy. I tried to soak everything in and retain every last detail, at the end of the endowment my head was swimming and I had a headache the rest of the day. It was still a wonderful time, but I wish I would have taken the experience as it is, that is we can go back as often as we want. Dont expect to learn everything the first time. Remember that you have the temple workers around you and they will help. Being your first time, they will make you feel right at home and will be close by.

Although I still love a good Punk song (especially any good remake of an oldie) I have been steering toward an opposite genre. Regina Spektor Vienna Teng The Avette Brothers - Folksy, but great! Plug any of those into Pandora, and you have an instantly great station. I think of music a little differently than others. I like to think of how I can put it to a Movie, or home video. What something would look like in slow motion, or shots of buildings and people and such... wierd, but that is the way my mind works. I LOVE a good song with stunning video.

I scimmed through the posts and here is my two cents, sorry if this is covered, but what I read showed differently. If you make an agreement with anyone to pay back money and you can (regardless of the current inflation or deflation of an asset) it is your responsibility to make ammends for that. If you know you are going to be in trouble and cannot pay, then pursue a Short Sale or Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure. If you do it simply to stiff the bank, to not pay it back, to save you a couple bucks.... who are you fooling? Definitely not God. Play it straight. Some of the comments here frighten me. The option of Bankruptcy or a Short Sale are there for a reason, but dont think that just because they are there that the way you use them is condoned of God because you found some loop hole. Remember those are laws of men. I am sure I am going to take some heat over my comment, but oh well. We can still be friends. The way some are comparing it here (like a job) if your job offered you X amount of money and then decided half way through your job that they wanted to re-negotiate what would your thoughts be then? I am sure you wouldnt say "it's fine", or "wow, that was pretty strategic, good for them" I am sure there would be lawsuits and other legal means to obtain your money and work you were promissed. I dont think you would say it was "ethical" of them. Not in the least. What are we without our word? Our promise?

I would think hard about any advice to get divorced on the grounds of not having any children. Children or not, divorce after temple marrage should not be taken lightly, kids or not. On that note, divorce in general should never be taken lightly. Divorce is what degrades society. However, there are times when one or both parties seperate from the right path and are not willing to work it out. Do all YOU can do, then you can move to thoughts of divorce. You should know when that is. But keeping someone around that is not treating you well and is not going to get better sounds like a dead end. My suggestion is if you want to work it out, go to counceling BEFORE you hook back up with the guy. If he really wants to do this, he will go. Also, make sure he agrees to be on his meds as they are perscribed, not just as he wishes.

Pretty good posts here. as a reader I appreciate all of the comments and have found them helpful. As for myself. Unfortunately being a member of the AMI (American Mustache Institute) I do not have time for another. :)

I live in Utah and a lot of times you dont have to deal with it. But I do have a few experiences I would like to share if there are no objections? No? My last job some of the LDS folk were chatting about past time they drank, or smoked or worse. They then turned to me and said something like CO WORKER: Hey Jibbs, what about you? JIBBS: What about what? CO WORKERS: You ever drink? JIBBS: Nope CO WORKERS: Smoke? JIBBS: Nope CO WORKERS: What? Really? Are you kidding me? These were all fellow members looking all shocked that I had never done any of that. A few seemed truely shocked. Others said they were truely proud of anyone that could resist those things growing up. It felt pretty wierd. I have had the opportunity to travel with others from around the Nation on projects. We would go out to eat and they would order a wine or liquir or beer. I would just get a Rasberry lemonade. They knew the company was paying for it so they wondered why I wouldnt take advantage of the situation and get me some. I would simply state that I didnt drink. Of course this is the perfect intro to explain your beleifs, and of course they would ask. They would put two and two together, I am from Utah and I dont drink...I must be a Mormon. Some of my talks went well, some horrible. But all would accept my "lifestyle" as they would put it and respect it. My answers as to why, was not necessarily that I cant... it is that I dont want to and dont need to.

Hmmmm. This is a tough one. I dont think I have a trash show. Unless sports are trash shows? I beleive in not being a "TV whore" meaning that I give myself to one show at a time so that I do not waste a lot of time sitting around on the couch. I have been in a serious drought since I wasted so many years on LOST... great show... CRAPPY CRAPPY ending. Grrrrrr. I love the Walking Dead, although I find it easier to wait until I can watch the season at my leasure so I am a season behind.

One lady, after we knocked on her door asked us to come in and we shared the first vision. She sat with a grin on her face the entire time. When we finished she said she knew the story already. The night before she said she had a dream of a young man in a forest that prayed for an answer and 2 persons came and gave it to him. She said the young man looked exactly like JS. She was baptized very quickly and after I left the area, like 30 members of her family joined the church. Most of us discredit our dreams too quickly.

Lots of good comments on here. I can honeslty tell you that I will be pitching something similar to my 2 daughters when they are older. I will them that RM is a great indicator of someone who will see hard times through, that should be able to place others before themselves and have a great foundation of gospel knowledge. But I will also tell them that their are plently of jerks that served missions. Getting your foot in the door may be tough if you didnt serve a mission, but hey, do you want the first woman you talk to, to be ready for marrage. I say, if you found it hard to get a date, but eventually found a wife... WHO CARES?? Especially if you can think later on....hey, I am so glad all those ladies ignored me cuz I have a wonderful wife now. In a parents roll, you bet I will be throwing out a slice of "Marry an RM" pie, but I definitely would not discourage anyone from dating or marrying someone that didnt. Although the reasons someone didnt I feel are important.

I am super smart and know a ton of useless and important information... as long as I have the internet. I was on a scout camp this week and didnt have cell service. It was fine until I wanted to prove someone wrong about several items... but I couldnt! Not without my large brain the internet :) I must admit though, I am very good at findign what I need. Is that a skill I can put on a resume? Or do I simply put that I am as smart as billions of people put together?

Bishops have too much to do to be teaching a set class every Sunday in my opinion. Our Bishopric sit in different classes each week making sure everyone knows they have support from the primary, to the youth, to the adult classes. One member however is generally in with the Gospel Principles class.