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I wasn't aware of the Scripture Citation Index, so i'll definitely take a look!
I've found in my notes that Cleon Skousen was the one who said the prophesies of Joseph of Egypt are found within Jewish tradition. Still looking for the sources.
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Hello everyone I need a little help locating something I read a while back.
I remember reading an article or talk about the prophesy that Joseph in Egypt(Many colored coat) gave that is recorded in 2 Nephi 3 (particularly 3:15).
It might have been something from Cleon Skousen,or LeGrand Richards, but i'm not sure. In the article/talk it talked about how the Kingdom of Israel (Northern Kingdom) was conquered and since scripture back then wasn't all compiled into one book many prophesies were lost. There however is a record reference/story/myth to the Jews(likely ones in diaspora) having a prophesy that hints/implies/follows the one in the Book of Mormon from Joseph of Egypt.
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This seems like a define the words you are using carefully type of thing.
Exaltation is returning to dwell in Gods presence in the Celestial Kingdom. OR "Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives." (Which to be like God requires a Body)
When Christ was on Earth, he was not "exalted" in this sense, since it required resurrection at the least, and at the most returning to the Father after entering into mortality.
The test, trial, and attaining of perfection is not complete until it has happened, even if you are perfect.
Christ "grew in wisdom, and stature, and favor with the Lord" Luke 2:52
Christ also was baptized to "Fulfil all righteousness" Matt 3:15
"It is Finished" John 19:30
As a metaphor, Getting straight A's in 4th grade may mean they are getting perfect grades, but doesn't mean they are done with school.
Christ entered into exaltation upon his returning to his Father, shortly after his resurrection. (Note when Christ says he has not ascended to his Father)
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On 6/3/2018 at 9:17 AM, pwrfrk said:
It's neither. Converts ask us questions that we likely know the answers to, because they don't know. To a convert it may seem awkward or silly, to those with experience, we understand. Kinda.
Kinda like the question "why is this guy necro-posting?"
Because I didn't notice at first! Oh wait....
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As you can see....the variety of politics shows up 🤗
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It is nice to have inter faith discussions without it becoming heated! Often one side will feel ganged up on and the other will feel attacked.
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Ponder on what has been explained to you and you have experienced in the endowment. Pray ask God, look for the principles in the scriptures that can give guidance into this issue. The bishop of your local ward has also been set apart to guide the flock, you can always seek his guidance.
The short answer most will tell you is "no". Just going with that answer though robs someone of seeking out personal revelation on the issue. Also the way the question has been asked makes it seem like a troll or someone who has not been through the endowment is asking.
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Modesty is a form of Courtesy.
All civilizations adopt social rules of courtesy, ethics, morals etc... Some of which may be different from one another (Such as cultures where partial nudity is not sexualized). This forms a baseline of expectations for people to interact with each other. It's purpose is simple, to create an environment where they and others can get along, and feel safe with each other (arguably the first safe space...). Courtesy communicates non-aggression or aggression and other such information (You bet you can make a long list!). Regardless of agreement or disagreement with what others view is appropriate courtesy, if you wish to coexist and communicate with others effectively it is important to understand what others think when it comes to courtesy. In this context Modesty has more to do with getting along with others.
Suggesting modesty doesn't always mean that you are objectifying another person, or victim shaming them.
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I would expand on that by saying the authority is through covenant with G-d. It's his authority, for the salvation of his children.
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9 minutes ago, John_Pack_Lambert said:
But the boys program cost way more money without providing clearly greater benefits. It also involved way more unjustified shaming of those who had not achieved a rank that inehrently was set up so only a few boys could achieve it, and clearly not set up to allow those of us with Aspergers Syndrome to ever have a chance to get it.
It pays clearly in the form of paid semi-professional (at least trained) staffing, organized program and facilities. Both volunteer run camps and paid exist in Boy Scouts, and the pricing difference between the two is often noticeable (Depending on council to council). Young Women camps get by largely with donations and volunteers, both local and through Church funds (costs of maintaining land, equipment, food, insurance, staff). I have a hunch that if you started adding those numbers together you would start to find total costs begin to equalize. Though I am completely supportive of doing volunteer based camps. (Special spirit when people simply seek to do good for others)
I don't think there is anything wrong with having a program that requires work to achieve, and I have respect for the Girl Scouts Gold, as well as Eagle, as well as Personal Progress as well as Duty to God. You are right, the church did not provide a secular award opportunity for the young women.
You are speaking to someone with a brother who achieved the rank of Eagle that is diagnosed with autism.
https://www.scouting.org/programs/boy-scouts/the-building-blocks-of-scouting/disabilities/
https://www.scouting.org/resources/guide-to-advancement/special-needs/
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17 minutes ago, John_Pack_Lambert said:
Clearly you do not know everything, because the camp I mention was a fully functional summer boy scout camp at the time, yet there was a full contingent of girls right by our camp site. Scouting is a lot bigger than what you know of.
I readily admit that I do not know everything. The longer i'm around the more I know that I don't know.
If you really want to get down to it, all approximations are untruths because there are exceptions and approximations don't accurately represent an absolute truth. That being said, clearly a majority of accredited boy scout summer camps had a majority of boys attend and a quite small amount of girls participating in non-staff positions over the course of the existence of Boy Scouting. (Generally Staffs, and Adults are considered to be more likely responsible individuals in most aspects of society)
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On 5/12/2018 at 5:26 PM, John_Pack_Lambert said:
My ward consistently ran all three programs. Yet we still had a grandmother who thought our ward was sub-standard in scouting. This is because she came just after her grandson came to visit his mom for the summer. He was 11, and there were no other 11-year-olds in the ward, so we lacked an 11-year-old scout program.
Such multi-layered programs with no allowance of combining were just not set up for the reality of wards and branches in the Church. Especially not some urban branches where many youth are recent converts. The multi-layered scouting program has too much of a learning curve. There is a way to have an effective program that can be implemented in ways that adapt better to various circumstances.
I am not against adaptation when needed and prompted by the spirit. Much as it stated in various policy guides.
I am against ignoring the guidance of the brethren.
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On 5/12/2018 at 5:21 PM, John_Pack_Lambert said:
Boy scouts are required to have belief in God, athiests are not admitted. However, many chartering organizations are secular ones. Schools, PTOs, PTAs, etc. Any religion can create an award to work with scouting, but the people who work on it do not have to be in a troop sponsored by that religion....
My comment was specifically towards Scouting and the Church. I reaffirm that using Scouting to help boys to receive the Gospel by inviting them to act in gospel principles can happen. When leaders put forth the effort to allow it to happen. One of the common complaints sometimes heard is that the boys program is just not as spiritual as the girls program.... Hogwash...
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On 5/12/2018 at 5:04 PM, John_Pack_Lambert said:
Except that there will not be coed groups camping. Scout troops will remain all boy or all girl. So the closest you will be is in adjacent camp sites. Well, back in the summer of 1994 when I was at scout camp the adjacent camp site was taken up by a CYO group that was all girls, so the new program can not increase overnight proximity.
It is disingenuous to use an exception to do away with an issue that Boy Scouts has not addressed yet. As a long time worker at various scout camps over multiple years, I have never seen an all girl group concurrent with a week long accredited Boy Scout Summer camp. There are occasional girls present, but not in large numbers.
Daytime proximity in merit badge classes, etc might increase. Yet we have 12-year-olds in Sunday School classes with girls and stake youth activities. Dances and youth conference and trecks not until they turn 14, but I really don't think fear of boys having to take an orienteering merit badge class or even a swimming merit badge class with girls present is what is driving this decision. Especially since in almost all cases these boys are in coed classes at school.
The issue is not just proximity, but situational. I have no issue with anything you just listed.
If troops themselves would be coed there might be worry, but I don't see it with any joint troop activites.
I already posted about my relief on no coed troops, page 3 top.
On thinking further, we did have 12 and 13 year old boys and girls at combined activities as well.
See above
At least here in Michigan women have been working at scout camps as counselors since at least the 1990s. So the idea that the changes in scouting will end the all male nature of scout camp don't apply. I even went to Jamborees with Canadian scouts where there were women scouts present. The Church has been running scouts Canada troops for at least 27 years since they admitted girls, so I do not see accepting girls as the bridge that was not to be crossed. Such a claim just does not stand up to any scruitiny.
My comments on page 2 address this. I am aware that women have been working in scouting for a long time. I even stated such in the comment that was quoted.
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On 5/20/2018 at 9:56 PM, priesthoodpower said:
Faith starts where science ends.
I agree with everything except this one little thing. I think they often times coexist. Science is not truth, is not faith....but a very good tool for getting closer to it.
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30 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
Whoever wishes to turn this thing into a comedy skit or production of some sort, has my blessing - provided they tell me about it and credit me.
2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:I have an iPhone and use Siri. My wife has a Samsung and uses whatever abomination AI they use (I think the name is Bixby or something.)
I have Siri set to a male voice, she has Bixby set to a female voice.
Once, we were driving somewhere, and both of us asked our individual phones for directions. The two AI's went about it in different ways, telling us what to do at different times. Then came the time when they did not agree on the directions. One said turn, the other said go straight. The tension between the two phones was almost palpable. You could cut it with a knife. I followed my wife's female-voiced phone's directions, because I am a good husband and did not want to escalate things into a regrettable incident. To Siri's credit, you had to listen real hard to hear the hurt in his voice as he adjusted his directions after I refused them. Dude's got my back, and didn't want to make things hard between us. I think he started offering fewer directions for the rest of that trip too, but perhaps I'm anthropomorphizing a tad.
It was a singular experience. Like my wife and I had hired someone to do some marital arguing for us. A bit awkward, but not unpleasant at all.
I've had family do this very thing, just with the driver not listening to the other GPS....
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1 hour ago, mordorbund said:
Somebody call Studio C. I want to watch this!
I've seen family members do this very thing.
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2 hours ago, mordorbund said:
Just to round this out, it looks like the announcement was made last week. The new system has segregated troops. I haven't seen anything about summer camp though.
You beat me to it! I just found the info graphic.
I'm convinced, the change to allowing girls wasn't the final line...it was in the works far before that.
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6 hours ago, mrmarklin said:
The real problem with rear view cameras and detection is that one gets used to them and ignores all the beeps. I backed out of a parking spot and into a car waiting for a red light. Totally embarrassing.
User Error. The bane of tech support. 😅
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31 minutes ago, Midwest LDS said:
Oh very much agreed. I don't think Scouting did anything wrong in that regard, I just wasn't very interested in it, and I remember feeling listless and bored in a lot of Young Men/Boy Scout activities when I was younger as a result. On the other hand I would have been (and still am) a lot more interested in gospel instruction, and I feel a program set up along those lines would be more effective in reaching youth who are like me.
For what it's worth there are those like one of my brothers who when he was in young mens would simply not attend when the activity didn't involve scouting. (Which is what happened a majority of the time) There is importance in drawing a balance to develop young men rather than having another seminary program (Which is a wonderful program).
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27 minutes ago, mordorbund said:
So without further announcements from the BSA stating, "We're including integrated tents in our scout camps," I don't think it's reasonable to assume separate-but-parallel programs drove the Church out of scouting.
Like any decision or change there are going to be multiple factors that play into it. If I had to narrow it down to largest cause, my guess would actually be that the program wasn't run the way it was intended at the ward level for the young men. Non-standardized program world wide. Next would be lack of interest in camping. (Even though scouting has non-camping options...) . Lack of interest being designated a scout by boys. Changing values in the BSA organization (With the final act bringing it over the threshold introducing girls). The desire to move away from the people who espouse 'I find God in the mountains, and religion is bad' .
Cub Scouting has been pretty solid in my experience. Separate patrols would work in a troop, but not so much in overnight troop activities, or summer camp. You make a solid case for cub scouting.
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7 minutes ago, mgridle said:
Venturing was always small and the Church never really participated in it. The genders were always separate in Church sponsered scouting.
The Handbook for scouting units in the church prior to the new update recommended all priest age young men participate in the Venturing Scouting program.
All Teacher age young men were recommended to participate in the Varsity Scouting program (Sports division). All Deacon age young men were recommended to participate in the Troop. Most wards never ran the programs. From my discussions with others this dysfunction was prevalent from coast to coast.
Prophesy of Joseph son of Joseph
in LDS Gospel Discussion
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I haven't been able to find where I originally read about it, but i've found an article that goes into detail that satisfies my curiosity.
https://rsc.byu.edu/isaiah-prophets/joseph-smith-found-ancient-manuscripts