David13
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We had a discussion about this, or similar in gospel principles earlier this year.
I think the best response was a lady who said she would tell you if you didn't look good. That she would describe herself as a friend and give an honest opinion, not lie and give phony flattery.
And describe that is what friendship is for.
In marriage, I don't know if that will work. It should.
As to the eternal question: I don't know.
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I do have to agree with the Parakeet here.
Also I think it's part of being honest is in your appearance, hair color, no tattoos, no metal adornments or piercings in your body.
I think also you should wear modest attire, not "flashy, glamourous" clothes.
And no 'perfume'.
Remember you will be an official representative of the church here.
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Someone was complaining that one of the Elders said being single is a 'painful affliction'.
It is. I know. I'm old and single.
Not pain like a stab wound or gun shot wound, but more an inconvenience, like one leg or arm missing.
That's not to say I'm going for the first available lady my age, I'm not. I'm far too picky (selective).
It's also dangerous.
I do know of people who have died alone, at night, having been afflicted by some medical condtiion with no one to help them or call 911.
I have become so adjusted and accepting of being single that when I do meet the right one, it will be extremely difficult to accomodate the married life. But I know I can do it.
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No I don't think that's exactly what President Uchtdorf said. :)
What??? You mean I may have got it wrong???
How could that be???
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And staff and assistants. And just generally anyone who has their ear who might have heard or seen something.
Companies used to pay money for search services where they could get a report any time a newspaper or tv or radio menioned the company name.
I suppose that's all done now by computer or internet and the church probably does it too.
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I'm here now. I just walked back from the a.m. session. Then I'm going to the 6 p.m. session. I'll have to go earlier than planned as it's real crowded and they like to get there early.
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A real highlight for me was the closing song by the choir, Come Come Ye Saints. You know, they are a rather good choir.
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No, but I definitely see one in you.
I wouldn't call it bias. I would call it personal expeerience with police in a professional capacity.
I just don't "do" hero worship when somebody does what they are paid to do.
What's your explanation for your bias IN FAVOR of the supremecy of police, per se, as a category. Or is it selective, only certain agences?
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We always thought it funny that Ed Sullivan said shew. We said show.
Shoo. Shoe. No, I can't spell it phonetic.
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I sometimes see the argument in defence of gun ownership that more good people holding and using guns would lessen the number of casualties when bad people do things with guns because the good guys can shoot the bad guys straight away instead of having to wait for the police to show up and do the shooting. Has this theory ever been empirically tested in a manner that would produce sufficiently reliable results as to inform the policy-making process? Could it even be tested or do we just have to rely on a bunch of anecdotes? If the validity of this argument cannot be tested, I think it would be prudent to exercise some caution when trying to draw conclusions from it.
It's tested on a daily basis and indeed is true.
However, you will never hear a word about it on the mainstream media as it does not fit their agenda. There are many other sources for the information.
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I had a discussion with a missionary sister Ryan from Australia yesterday. She said her ward is a 2 hour (traveling) radius.
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Yeah, you're right. There's absolutely nothing heroic about risking your life just by showing up at work. Because, you know, paycheck.
There have been cops in my family. But I don't think any of them would have identified themselves as "heroes".
There are honest cops. You may have heard them say, after some action that saved someone, "I'm no hero, I was just doing my job.
However, far too many of them get caught up in the hero worship agenda that goes on today. And I think there is a need to counter that pure, unadulterated, unquestioning hero worship.
Is this country in such bad shape that if someone does their job, they have to be hailed and adulated as a "hero" and given awards and prizes and appear on tv, as if a "celebrity"?
The ordinary citizen who does the same thing FOR NO PAYCHECK, WITHOUT INSURANCE, OR IMMUNITY, gets far less or no such reward in too many cases.
Leah points out a rather good idea. How "heroic" is it for the cops to wait outside for "specialized" teams? While people die??
I risk my life in this world just walking down the street. Because in most places someone like me cannot carry a gun to protect themselves. A cop can.
Cops and firemen are not drafted. They make a conscious decision to do that job. And in many cases, particularly with unlimited and unquestioned overtime, benefits, pension, 20 and you are out, etc., are extremely well compensated.
So I think we need to be a little more realistic. And follow Leah's recommendation.
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There are good shooting citizens, and bad shooting citizens. There are citizens what shoot themselves. And there are a whole lot of good shooting officers. Some of them train beyond what you could imagine.
I'm good with anyone who is well trained. I'm much more comfortable with someone with real world experience.
Do I dectect and iota ( or a half gallon) of bias based on personal experience (or work experience)?
Around Los Angeles the cops have a 100% US AGAINST THEM (any non cop) attitude. Which is not the way it should be.
If a citizen saves me with a gun, it's heroic. If a cop does, does he not get a paycheck? Is he not doing his job? I cannot define 'hero' as a guy who does his job.
Not that i wouldn't appreciate it.
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No, I mean like the entire U.S. compared to the entire nation of Australia and other developed nations.
Right there is your problem. It's not "THE ENTIRE US", it's a certain very small segment of the population, and we SHOULD NOT take those cities out of the discussion. In fact, those cities and those cities ONLY should be the discussion because that's where the problem is. Not with the "ENTIRE US."
The agenda, in case you missed it, is to IGNORE that segment of the population as if they are EXPECTED to be violent and uncivilized and deal drugs etc etc etc.
But again, and importantly, it's NOT THE GUN. It's the guy (or rarely gal) who pulls the trigger.
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Uh, no. First, the term "gun violence" is a fantasy.
A gun does not do violence. It's an inanimate object and cannot fire itself.
The proper term is person, drug dealer, ex con violence, etc.
Second, take out four cites with specific known inner city problems, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans and Washington DC and the USA has one of the lowest rates in the world.
So how is the problem the gun? It isn't. It's certain people and they way they chose to live.
Look at the real problem, whether it offends people or not. Whether it fits the agenda or not. Not a nearby inanimate object.
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There are people who believe that police are "superior beings" and somehow are far more capable of handling firearms than ordinary citizens, even in those situations where the ordinary citizens train in the use of firearms far more than some or most police, some of whom do not train at all.
They believe that any ordinary citizen in the US is only capable of shooting him/or/herself. And could not possibly shoot in a tactical situation.
It is a false belief.
As to conference security, I will look tomorrow and Sunday (I'm now in SLC staying just across the street from the Temple, in fact, I can see it out the window).
And I'll report on what security I can see. But it will probably be well hidden. Discrete.
However, one thing I think the church does is sitatuional awareness. When you come around, they look you over, talk to you, and thus may well get a good idea as to who is up to no good.
Hopefully.
Otherwise, I hope they are armed.
There are good shooting cops, and bad shooting cops. There are cops what shoot themselves. And there are a whole lot of good shooting citizens. Some of them train beyond what you could imagine. And also may have police or military experience.
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I can't believe someone would be so rude as to bill like that.
But I suppose it does happen.
I would not pay it, of course.
And I suppose I would never speak to them again.
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The onlly thing we have is a monthly senior singles home study which is at someone else's home (someone volunteers their home). And lesson. So we do get couples who come out also.
The missionaries have also been of a mind to help, but were just not skillful in coming up with a good match.
Some of the other members have tried also, but were way off the mark.
I think the problem is that anyone who has a candidate to offer to you (or me) only has one candidate. And it is not a 'one size fits all' situation.
Maybe our ratio (men to women) is not so good in Los Angeles. Maybe that's another reason I should move to Utah. But again, small town? There are probably 3 candidates, and that's it.
So ...
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It could have been worse.
You have heard of the Donner expedition.
And they have not been the only ones. There are other well known cases.
I don't think any discussion about polar exploration should leave out Shakleton.
Clovis I don't know what you would say about Scott.
I think I had heard Scott didn't know how to work the dogs like Amundsen did. His daily mileage totals were much smaller.
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It could have been worse.
You have heard of the Donner expedition.
And they have not been the only ones. There are other well known cases.
I don't think any discussion about polar exploration should leave out Shakleton.
Clovis I don't know what you would say about Scott.
I think I had heard Scott didn't know how to work the dogs like Amundsen did. His daily mileage totals were much smaller.
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I don't even know where to start.
Why not start at the beginning?
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I am not going to try Brahnies, or Broanies, however it is pronounced.
I have good, positive healty hobbies. Guns and motorcycles.
Oddly enought there is one major California Gun forum and ... sure enough, some Bronies there. Several of whom are in the military.
I suppose if I was a 13 year old girl I would like it.
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I think it's impossible to be invisible when visiting another ward.
IF, you do what I do. Stand by the door before SM, smile, extend your hand to shake hands, say goodmorning, and say who you are (by name) and where you are visiting from.
I was never shunned in such a situation.
In my ward, everyone has a good, positive view of Utah Mormons, either from the past, or from hearing me talk in such pleasant and positive terms about how wonderful Utah is (which includes the Mormons there).
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It reflects upon the speaker who speaks ill of others, in any case, Utah or Mormons or otherwise.
In our Los Angeles area ward, we like Utah Mormons as everyone has a foothold of some type there, relatives, roots, etc. And make frequent visits to Utah.
I like Utah as I want to move there.
Most of the missionaries from other areas like the idea of Utah, and living among nothing but Mormons, as they are a minority where they come from.
I'm like the other mentioned above. I get to services 20 minutes early and greet and introduce to everyone. They have started to believe I'm now one of the elders of the church or something as they have started asking questions etc.
As if I would know the answers.
However, in 5 months I have become so Mormon that it shows.
I walked into the Tabernacle in SLC yesterday and one of the missionary sisters greeted me with "good morning, brother."
But then she said "you still have your red dot on from the Temple" They give you dots in the Temple to indicate you have been checked in.
In St George Sunday the priesthood was talking about an old guy that had recently passed away.
He used to ride a bicycle and go around visiting all the members. One family told that they moved into the ward and were just unpacking and here he came on his bicycle to welcome them.
So I think it all depends on the who and how and when, and you have to do your part, also.
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I'm in Utah now.
Sunday in St George many people said hello to me. I also got there early and stood by the door and greeted everyone who came in.
Several people recognized me from a previous visit and told others who then greeted me.
During Sacrament meeting they announced welcome to visitors and that they had received the records for several families (by name) and welcomed them to the ward and announced that they should be made welcome.
In Gospel Doctrine a lady announced they needed to do more to welcome visitors and newcomers so they didn't feel "invisible" so after the class several more came to talk to me.
In Priesthood as well as GD they asked visitors to introduce themselves. Again more remembered me and greeted me after class.
One of the first to talk to me before SM was the Bishop.
The experience in May in Torrey, Utah was the same. Many visitors and much socializing. So I don't see it, and I think that there may be some action needed on your part. Introduce yourself. Have a party and invite people.
However, remember people have a life, and are busy, so that doesn't mean they will come to your party. But some will.
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Music and the Spoken Word
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It's a disappointment that I'm going to miss this session. I have a ticket only for the afternoon session.
Music and the Spoken Word is one of my favorite features and the choir is fantastic.
I'll watch it on tv, even tho' I'm just across the street and can see the Conference Center out the window.
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