JonnieZ

Though health and fitness does not get a lot of attention, I thought I would talk about swimming. I started about four months ago. What a "revelation"! Growing up in the Sacramento area and we swam all summer. However, I have started lap swimming. I used to suck wind bending over to tie my shoes. Not anymore. Good stuff.

Though health and fitness does not get a lot of attention, I thought I would talk about swimming. I started about four months ago. What a "revelation"! Growing up in the Sacramento area and we swam all summer. However, I have started lap swimming. I used to suck wind bending over to tie my shoes. Not anymore. Good stuff.

Two things: 1) I do think it is a very good book about a very good man, but it seemed, through the whole book, Prince (not the artist), had an axe to grind and 2) Bro. Arrington was either very naive, or so tunnel visioned by his goals he just did not comprehend the advice given to him. I do not believe in Elder Packer's view that "Somethings that are true are not very useful..." yet Bro. Arrington seemed to not catch the message of what "type" of history the brethren wanted written, and (as Prince [not the...you know] suggests) he shot holes in his own canoe. I do not necessarily think he was being passive aggressive but he was playing Risk without enough pieces. He was not a good communicator. More communication might have meant less agony for him in the long run.
Next up: Great Basin Kingdom.
On a side note: Adventures of a Church Historian is on my Amazon wish list. Unfortunately the currentbgoing price is $60. I might find a loaner in the city librarym

Good evening, I am Jon ( Hi Jon),
I will start with, I am a flawed human being. But hey, who is not?
I like to eat beef, swim, lift weights ( Soloflex actually), read, watch a ball game, use my space binoculars at midnight, play with my German Sheperd, listen to The Who, Boston and Beethoven.
I am actually coming out of a two year funk which turned me, almost, into a shut in. I had a grandfather until I was almost 50. He died, I do not think I had ever experienced grief before, but I have now. I was his boy, he was my pal.
I have a BA in History from real BYU. As Carl Sagan wrote: The world needs fewer business majors and more history majors. (The Demon Haunted World)
I have a wonderful wife, and all girls. They are fantastic. Oh, and a Shetland sized GSD. 
You all have a great day!
 

Good evening, I am Jon ( Hi Jon),
I will start with, I am a flawed human being. But hey, who is not?
I like to eat beef, swim, lift weights ( Soloflex actually), read, watch a ball game, use my space binoculars at midnight, play with my German Sheperd, listen to The Who, Boston and Beethoven.
I am actually coming out of a two year funk which turned me, almost, into a shut in. I had a grandfather until I was almost 50. He died, I do not think I had ever experienced grief before, but I have now. I was his boy, he was my pal.
I have a BA in History from real BYU. As Carl Sagan wrote: The world needs fewer business majors and more history majors. (The Demon Haunted World)
I have a wonderful wife, and all girls. They are fantastic. Oh, and a Shetland sized GSD. 
You all have a great day!
 

I love Rough Stone Rolling. It made me appreciate Joseph Smith even more. We get to see Joseph the Prophet, husband, egalitarian, father, leader, host (Nauvoo), forgiver - to a fault, and heroic figure. We read about flaws, which give all of us insight that though he was a prophet, he was human.
I was sitting in class one day reading it while my students were working. A coworker saw it and came unglued. "You can't read that! If the bishop finds out he'll be mad!" It was an adult. Knowing he would tattle I happened upon the bishop, by accident in the grocery store. "Hi bishop, I am reading Rough Stone Rolling." He replied, " OK, I know you of all people can handle it."
That took care of that.

Two things: 1) I do think it is a very good book about a very good man, but it seemed, through the whole book, Prince (not the artist), had an axe to grind and 2) Bro. Arrington was either very naive, or so tunnel visioned by his goals he just did not comprehend the advice given to him. I do not believe in Elder Packer's view that "Somethings that are true are not very useful..." yet Bro. Arrington seemed to not catch the message of what "type" of history the brethren wanted written, and (as Prince [not the...you know] suggests) he shot holes in his own canoe. I do not necessarily think he was being passive aggressive but he was playing Risk without enough pieces. He was not a good communicator. More communication might have meant less agony for him in the long run.
Next up: Great Basin Kingdom.
On a side note: Adventures of a Church Historian is on my Amazon wish list. Unfortunately the currentbgoing price is $60. I might find a loaner in the city librarym

I  just started it. Best 700 pages for $18 and change! Loved this part in the intro:
 
 

First movie that came to my mind was called How Rare a Possesion. A man waited most of his life to be baptized. After reading where you said he had a dream about trees....now I am not sure.

Having perused the comments, may I add that Sister Snow, as well as many other sisters were horrically abused by the mobs in Missouri. Richard Bushman gives a pretty good account of events in Rough Stone Rolling. He uses primary sources and describes the ferocity of anti Mormon behavior at that time. It is interesting that historians (and rightly so) write about the abuse of the natives and Mexicans that were battered, abused, and annihilated during Manifest Destiny, yet for over a hundred years have failed to address (unrightly so, even as a nation) the attrocities that the early church experienced during the Missouri and Illinois years.

Just-A-Guy,
I do not disagree with anything you typed. I think, when I saw the book, and it was CLP who wrote it, I was surprised she was still alive. In my hermit like world I had lost touch with what I personally call the LDS pop culture.

Any woman who has a Christlike spirit  plus good grooming and hygiene is somebody a Christlike man can find attractive.

President Monson's 2008 quote reminds me of what Benedict XVI  wrote in his book Jesus of Nazareth. My limited memory remebers him stating that empires and countries come and go. Alexander the Great is no longer with us, or othe rulers in history. He did write however that we always have the poor (downtrodden). His question then was, what do we do with the poor?
As a bit of an anarchist, I do not believe the bureaucrats in the world have an answer. Regardless of their political and economic points of view.
I do believe, however, the answer is found in the Book of Mosiah. Plato's ultimate political ruler was the philosopher king. In Mosiah we have King Benjamin, who I think Plato would have shed tears over. 

Must we really have snarky replies to someone who is asking questions?