UtahTexan
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We can discuss and debate the issue all day long. And debates are fun. But the actual answer is easy: It is the Father's Plan. Like it, hate it, accept it, reject it....it does not matter...it is the Father's Plan....and anything about that is way above my pay grade.
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17 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:
And apparently, at least one woman.
In point of fact, we don't know that. The weight of the evidence is that the brown seer stone was used after the lost pages incident; but not necessarily before. Lucy Mack Smith recalled Joseph's use of the Nephite interpreters, and it seems there may have been at least one other seer stone involved too. Moreover, the testimony of the Three Witnesses states that they heard God Himself vouch for the accuracy of the translation Joseph produced as it related to the engravings on the actual plates.
Spencer W. Kimball didn't think so, FWIW. He read "Thou shalt deny me thrice" as prescriptive, not predictive, in nature--in other words, under this theory, Peter denied Jesus because Jesus Himself had told him to.
I'm not sure how much credence I give to the idea, but it at least keeps me from getting too strident with my criticisms of Peter.
I am not critical of peter at all....I simply said I hope to learn from that. Peter was deeply ashamed
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3 minutes ago, EricE said:
Very true. But that doesn't make every culture correct about morality. There are objective morals of well being that serve as the foundation of morality, and we grow from there.
That is why I asked for morality to be defined. And once you do that.....please tell me how you decide which culture is correct?
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Different cultures have different moral standards
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3 minutes ago, rpframe said:
Dying for your beliefs is easy.
Living for your beliefs is hard.
I disagree....both are hard.
Integrity is what matters. I will not lie about my belief to save my life.
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6 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:
Pretty big talk from behind a keyboard, you sure showed him.
I am not just behind a keyboard. I served as a missionary in Honduras, and I served my country in the Army.
Plus, from my smiley, I hope the humor element was noticed.
But, I stand behind my sadness that people are too afraid to stand for their beliefs.
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4 minutes ago, rpframe said:
I'm from West Houston.
Right.. and as I said... I'm not a prophet or an apostle.
Then maybe you are a yankee who moved to Texas
That is your excuse for cowardice? You are not a prophet or apostle? Is that what you will tell Christ?
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2 hours ago, rpframe said:
If I was in the military, how good of a missionary could I be if the people I teach knew I killed people?
Sinners teach people all the time.
A darn good one. David killed. Moses killed. Abraham killed. The list is long.
Maybe we Texans are just sturdier folk...willing to die for what we believe and rather die than Deny Heavenly Father.
Joseph Smith has done much for the Church AFTER his death....
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Another good book is Voices From the Dust....https://www.amazon.com/Voices-Dust-Comparative-Evaluation-Archaeology/dp/1881825507 some very interesting points made.
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1 hour ago, rpframe said:
I guess my point is. I personally feel like I am probably more useful as a live missionary than as a dead martyr. If I am prompted to become a martyr then sure. But I am not an especial witness of Christ (apostle), so I'm going to work under the assumption that i'm better left alive unless prompted otherwise.
How good a missionary can you be if the people you teach know you lied about God just to stay alive?
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4 minutes ago, rpframe said:
Yeah... and he repented and appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him the Aaronic Preisthood.
No...the Melchizedek Priesthood.
And that is the problem...it was something for which he needed to repent. I am hopeful to learn from the sins of others, not repeat them
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5 minutes ago, rpframe said:
Probably depends on the situation... But I would have no problem lying if I felt the need. One false word to someone that has got me under duress is not going to change what's in my heart.
Peter denied Christ.
I hope I am strong enough not to.
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Saying I believe in the Bible or the Book of Mormon is not saying I worship it. Can you point to where I said that? I distinctly said that my belief in God is not parceled out like a cafeteria. The Bible is His Word. So is the Book of Mormon. If I worship God, I accept His word, right?
If someone sees me carrying my Book of Mormon and asks me if I believe that is the Word of God, I will not lie....even if it costs me my life.
Are you saying you would lie?
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3 minutes ago, MormonGator said:
Personally I believe it too, but I'm not going to die for it. I will die for Christ and we should worship Him, not the Book of Mormon. Evangelicals sometimes come close to worshipping the Bible-that's wrong too. We shouldn't worship anything but Christ.
I would die for it...not because it is a book, but because it is part and parcel to my beliefs. I would not believe the Book of Mormon or the Bible if I did not believe in God. How can I separate God from His Word? He is the Gospel....the Good News.
I doubt anyone would threaten my life over the Book of Mormon that was not also threatening it over my belief in God.
- Jedi_Nephite, LeSellers and tesuji
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You do not need reasons not to leave.
You just need a reason to stay: It is True.
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15 minutes ago, LeSellers said:
Not sure where you're coming from (or going to) here.
I was on temporary duty at Polk for a major exercise when a hurricane blew in. They shut the whole place down and we went home, after spending millions of dollars on the planning, transportation and so on.
It is a beautiful place, but it's surrounded by a dump of a town, Leesville. Typical Army trap: used car dealerships, bars, pawn shops, and strip clubs. And snakes. No, real snakes. We had to move our signal center because of an infestation of rattlers and copperheads. Even the noise of two 60kW generators running night and day wasn't enough to drive them away.
Lehi
I served in the Army. I always felt Ft. Polk and Ft. Leonardwood were the worst. Ft. Sill was not great, but doable...I spent 3 years there. Also did Ft. Hood.
Ft. Lewis was pretty nice.
I also served at Ft. Clayton, Panama and Soto Cano Airbase, Honduras
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On 8/6/2016 at 9:59 AM, LeSellers said:
Fort Polk would be a wonderful place … if it were somewhere else.
Lehi
Yikes
As a former Army guy....Ft. Polk?
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14 minutes ago, MormonGator said:
What do you think of the sequel?
it was actually written first...though published last......was not a fan of it...it was ok.
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2 Who art thou? Suppose ye that we shall believe the testimony of one man, although he should preach unto us that the earth should pass away?
Alma was teaching those in Ammonihah
They asked him this.
Do you know what is amazing about this verse?
The people were invoking Jewish Law. Jewish Law requires at least two witnesses. They were invoking Jewish Law!
How would they have known Jewish Law if they did not have Jewish ancestors?
And how would Joseph have known that?
Evidence of the truth of the Book of Mormon.......
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Do we come close to worshipping Joseph Smith?
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I songs songs to my mother.....to my wife.....to my kids.....do I worship them? No.
We honor Joseph. We thank him. We respect him. We do not worship him.