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Because the implication of your post was that the Apostles wouldn't come out and denounce parts of the Bible because it would shake the faith of its membership. You can't serve Christ and lie to membership about the nature of doctrine.

You believe the Prophet is more interested in protecting the organization than serving Christ?

The reason that is the help you get isn't that "you're an engineer". That's a copout. The reason that is the "help" you get is that your approach is antagonistic and you don't ask for guidance on a topic. Your initial post was asking for opinions and you received many of them. Then you spent the next 22 pages explaining why they are wrong and you are right.

Then perhaps spend less time arguing that it is false and more time asking for help with things that bother you, studying the topic, and praying for peace on it.

You aren't discussing it. You aren't asking for help with something you lack the testimony on. You're defending your position that the Bible is false. There is a huge difference.

I prayed about Joseph Smith as a Prophet and the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon multiple times without receiving a testimony. I didn't spend my time saying I didn't believe it. I continued to study and pray.

I'm not trying to tell you to believe anything. I'm pointing out that what you are espousing directly conflicts with the teaching of the Church. I believe it's important to do so because investigators come here to learn about the Church. Someone like you speaking the opposite is damaging. So while I support your right to your own religion, I feel the need to call you out when you try to warp mine and make it your own.

It's not that I don't want to. It's that I can't. I've never studied it. You're rude, condescending, and speaking out against the teachings of the church. I'd say I'm on pretty solid ground. That doesn't "make me sad" at all.

I'm not playing the "let me quiz you until I find something you can't answer" game. I'm not an expert on doctrine.

Absolutely, I believe the Earth was created in 6 days.

I'm just amazed at the level of "meh, I just don't believe the Bible" that exists in this thread.

Why are you being so obtuse? You do understand what "undue" means, don't you?

I think that's because you have an improper view of what immodesty is.

I never said there wasn't a legitimate reason for divorce, I said it hurts society.

I think supporting gay marriage is supporting sin. I think that is different than thinking the government should be out of the marriage business. I may be splitting hairs, though. I think same-sex marriage hurts society by downplaying the societal impact of marriage, families, and the role of the mother and father in development. I also think divorce hurts society.

Blocked.

What are your mixed feelings? Do you believe same-sex marriage is a sin?

You refuse to pointedly answer the question so you insult him and move on? That's nice. Do you believe same-sex marriage is a sin?

It's common here to move goats into an area you want cleared. They do a great job. I should move to Utah. Someone will pay me to feed my goats? Perfect

In his defense, I wept like a baby at Kiss, Animalize. The reality was too much.

I understand your position, and waiver between that and my own all the time. At the end of the day, though, I don't want the government making those decisions. Maybe as the majorities shift, next year they decide organized religion doesn't promote the general welfare and shouldn't be protected.

I absolutely agree. For me, however, that doesn't change my opinion that government shouldn't be involved in personal agency. I think @mormongator would agree, but I'm unsure if he opposes the government's involvement in marriage as I do, or actually supports gay marriage.

He associates modesty with what he believes people want to see.

"Nobody wants to see that" isn't a standard of modesty. I see that your errors in judgment may lie in a misunderstanding of modesty.

I had that discussion on here quite some time ago. It's amazing. Irrelevant to the discussion of immodesty, but still amazing.