VelvetShadow
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On 9/3/2018 at 6:43 AM, zil said:
If I still had that VCR > DVD recorder thing, I could rip a copy of my VHS that has President Hinckley on 60 Minutes saying that Mormons don't drink caffeinated soda. If you really need it, I could record that portion with my cell phone pointed at the TV. (Assuming the tape will still play - it was recorded when I was in Moscow and shipped to me - I think.)
I actually 100% agree with President Hinckley on this, soda is bad enough for you but caffeinated soda is even worse. If the Word of wisdom is against coffee and tea I don't think it gives people a free pass to drink coke or Pepsi.
I thought the prophets were supposed to give us guidance and understanding of the Scriptures, if a prophet said don't drink caffeinated soda on national television, and you believe you are part of the true church, then seriously people, don't drink it. I found it on youtube if anyone wants to see it, its just a 30 second clip where he confirms no caffeinated soda I'm sure you could find the whole interview if you wanted to.
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1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said:
For the record, LDS folks/culture do acknowledge the fact that some services are needed on Sunday and some folks do have to work those days. My dad, for example, works in a hospital and hence has to work majority of Sundays because people there need medical care. No one has any problem with this whatsoever. My dad attends when he can, and everyone is happy to have him there when he's there. He gets his days of rest / scripture study on the days he has off.
For another example: I once worked a miserable retail job that was the only job I could get, and required me to work Sundays. It wasn't ideal, but it was that or be unemployed. So I came when I could, usually coming to an earlier ward for Sacrament Meeting before heading to the job. Again, not ideal, but everyone was happy to have me when I could be there. Now that I have a new job and set my own schedule, I do try really hard to not work Sundays to spend time in worship and be with family. Unexpectedly, it's actually my non-LDS husband that's the biggest proponent of "Sunday is your day off! Leave the work till Monday!" because he loves and needs the restful family (and he hates how I turn into an absolute bear when I don't get my batteries charged).
I didn't for a second think the OPs opinion of working on Sundays was the LDS church opinion, I was of the understanding that is was her own opinion, and my response was to her opinion.
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On 6/27/2018 at 3:42 PM, pwrfrk said:
Is it morally or ethically permissible for anyone baptized in the church to set aside the gospel and conduct expected of Mormons so they can "keep" their career?
I have seen this with a few cops I know, they said they set aside the church and church standards so they can keep their jobs. I feel that if they-be it doctors, lawyers, cops and politicians, too-set aside their standards so they can do their job, then it is conduct unbecoming a priesthood holder.
I reflect on it like this- when you do wrong to someone, it is worthless to ask God to forgive you until you have asked the person you wronged to forgive you. Then, if when you wronged them there were damages, you must compensate them accordingly. Then, and only then, will you be forgiven.
What would the expected standards be? Is it morally acceptable to set aside God for a job? What about when you retire and return to the church? Do you somehow have a special prayer to say so God will forgive you, even though your victims don't have to?
To me there is nothing else about setting the church aside for a career could mean, but the commission of immoral and unethical conduct. What else could there be? Does that make it any mor right if no one is harmed and it's just immoral or unethical conduct?
As much as it is ideal to be in church every Sunday, the world we live in doesn't allow for it. Imagine the chaos that would occur if it did. Firefighters, police and emergency medical staff, the list of jobs that are required by the world 7 days a week is massive. To think that everyone can get to church every Sunday and it is unethical if they don't is very naive in my view. I wouldn't judge a father or a mother for going to work on Sunday, especially if the job they are doing is vital to keep the society we live in running smoothly. They need to look after their family, I don't think a loving God would judge them for that.
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3 hours ago, zil said:
No, @AnonBYUstudent, don't try this. The sin of fornication is too serious and must be confessed to the bishop. Please trust in the Lord, that His way will bring about the best result in the end. It will be OK. In fact, it will start to get better as soon as you confess to your bishop, regardless of how long or difficult the path may or may not be. Please don't wait - the longer you wait, the harder it will be. Call / text and set the appointment now.
@VelvetShadow, as you aren't a member, you would have no way of knowing the above, but it's not conditional - some sins require the Lord's representative to help us through the repentance process, and in the case of sin, that's the bishop.
Sorry if I said the wrong thing, I just didn't want this young man to lose his education because of one mistake.
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22 minutes ago, anatess2 said:
Somebody says "...blossom in the gospel", I replied with a picture of Blossom, and you say it is OBVIOUS that was some sort of joke at your expense (you first said it was an insult)... that doesn't logically follow. That's what clue'd me in that there's something afoot. And that something was not about the picture. It was the word Blossom getting you triggered.
And this response...
Yep, your name is Ann. We take you for your word. You respond in the same manner as Blossom. Nice to meet you too.
I don't understand what the picture of an actress looking quite silly has to do with 'blossom in the gospel'? what got me triggered was the fact that a few of you were OBVIOUSLY making a joke at my expense, which @Maureen confirmed for me.
I am not an identity thief and I really take offence at the insinuation that I am, very christian of you, thanks.
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6 minutes ago, anatess2 said:
There’s no joke at your expense. It became suspect when you took a picture of Blossom as an INSULT. How does a picture of Blossom as a reply to some dude saying the phrase “blossom in the gospel” become an insult??? Especially after I spent a lot of time replying to your concerns with all seriousness. So that’s why I said... something is afoot.
All I saw was a few of you saying the same sort of thing and due to the photo of that actress from Big Bang that you posted it was made quite obvious to me that it was all some sort of joke at my expense, I didn't have a clue what any of you were on about until @Maureen spelled it out to me, I just knew it was unkind, mean and nasty. You don't have to be a genius to work out when people are making fun of you, even if you don't understand the joke.
And just because you explain your view of something to me (which I really appreciate by the way) that does not mean I'm going to change my view and all of a sudden agree with you. 'something is not afoot' because I don't agree with your point of view, thats ridiculous. Let me know if you need a tin foil hat to go with your conspiracy theory
My name is Ann and I am looking at this faith because I feel God wants me to do so. Nice to meet you.
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41 minutes ago, AnonBYUstudent said:
Here is the story in a nutshell:
I'm a BYU student with 2 years under my belt and 2.5 years to go. I'm an RM and endowed member. This summer I wasn't at BYU but rather was working at an out of state job that kept me working 7 days a week (meaning no church attendance for the whole length of the summer). During the entire summer I didn't pay tithing either, and slowly stopped reading the Book of Mormon as well. At the same time, I got a girlfriend (one of my co-workers) who is not a member, but basically what others would call a "dry mormon". We hit it off really well, and I very much love her and would love for her to be my wife someday. The only hangup is that I would like to share the gospel with her before that point because it's something important to me and something that I really want to share with the person that might be my lifelong (and hopefully eternal) companion. I honestly can't see myself being with someone else. Here's my difficult situation however: Just before I went back to school (she is remaining out of state, but we will be visiting once a month or more) we had sex. It was entirely consensual and I didn't regret it too much at the time, though I knew it was wrong (I'd say I was more or less spiritually desensitized). As soon as I got back to BYU again however and remembered what it meant to fully live the gospel/felt the spirit here and realized how far I had slipped (and how quickly) I felt (and still feel) very guilty. I'd like to talk to a Bishop because I still love her and want to make things right, and I know I can't honestly share the gospel from my current position but since I broke my temple covenants, it would seem that the most likely punishment would be disfellowshipment (or if more extreme, then excommmunication), either of which I would be willing to work through to come back to full membership. What that means however is that I would lose my ecclesiastical endorsement to BYU and could not come back until the end of my probationary period (if at all). Of that, and of the other potential consequences, I am terrified. I want to make things right, but I can't imagine having school postponed for an entire year (or indefinetely) and how I could possibly sort that out at all. Just looking for some help/advice/motivational support here and thank you for all your comments.
Tell your girlfriend about your religious beliefs and how much they mean to you and stop having pre-marital sex. I don't understand why you would have to leave school for confessing a sin to your bishop, seems a bit harsh. If you are that worried about your education being jeopardised maybe just repent quietly on your own. But tell your girlfriend you think pre-marital sex was a mistake and you really want something more meaningful with her. She might welcome the idea to learn about your faith
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8 hours ago, Carborendum said:
Actually, I do understand. And I'm very much the same way. I'm the guy who takes forever to buy something big because I actually read every word of the contracts I sign. It drives some people crazy when I take up their time. Most people just figure "it's boiler plate" and sign it blind. I generally just shake my head and figure "a fool and his money". I would guess you're the same kind of person? You read every word of every contract you sign. You annoy people because you're "not normal", you're not blind. I get it. I'm the same way.
Yes that is definitely me! That is how God made me , and I do read every word of everything I sign, drives my husband nuts BUT it has saved us a small fortune on a number of occasions!
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Just now, Jane_Doe said:
The comment was rude (I'll blatantly say that), but not an inside joke.
Well I didn't understand it at all, I just knew it was meant to be unkind, so it certainly seemed like an inside joke to me.
And again thank you for your compassion, you have been very kind to me and helpful and actually answered a lot of my questions, I really do appreciate it.
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1 minute ago, Jane_Doe said:
No one's saying any inside jokes at all. Not everyone is always the most polite (all around) but no one's saying any inside jokes.
Thanks for saying so, I appreciate it but @Maureen does agree with me that there is a joke at my expense and even spelled out what it was. I don't think I'm being paranoid here.
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1 minute ago, estradling75 said:
When you pray and ask God it does not matter that you do not know the Temple Ceremony.. or church history or 100's of other things... the only thing that matters is HIS answer. Because then you are not making any assumptions.
thank you I have actually been doing just that
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1 minute ago, Carborendum said:
Nope. Not my point at all. All I've said from the beginning is that you need only proceed ifGod tells you to proceed. Not because of the wisdom of man.
If you're saying that God has told you to not move forward, then DON'T. But if He has, then DO SO, regardless of what you think you "should" know.
Notice that I actually told you to STOP your investigation. I said so because I interpreted your comments as saying you were depending only on your own wisdom. If you proceed only on your own wisdom, you'll never find the truth.
I've said from the beginning that you should proceed with the path that the Lord has told you to take.
I will do what I feel God wants me to do, and I will still study this faith, but perhaps I should start to study others at the same time, then in prayer I can ask God which way he wants me to go.
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5 hours ago, Carborendum said:
The thing is that you're trusting in the arm of flesh. All anyone here has said about the commitment is that you should NOT trust in the arm of flesh. Trust in God. But you continue to counter with I need to study so that I know what is happening so that I can decide for myself. Where are you even considering what God has told you?
The Lord is asking you to make a leap of faith. And you're countering him with "I need to know everything first." Well, if you know everything first, then how much faith did you exercise in your choice? We receive no reward until after the trial of our faith.
While it is wise when dealing with MEN to know everything about them, I find that when dealing with the Lord, it is better to have faith.
The thing is you are basing that faith leap on the assumption that the mormon church is the true church. Thats a circular argument in my opinion. I need evidence of that claim before blindly agreeing to something I am not allowed to have all the facts about first. Because as ut stands now from my point of view the mormon church IS the arm of the flesh, thats why you study something, to find out if its claims are true.
I believe the Lord is asking me to find my true spiritual home, the right church for me to join. I will find it, perhaps it is the mormon church and perhaps it is not. I will only work it out from study and prayer. And if there is something that doesn't sit right with me that I can't reconcile and stops me joining then thats ok.
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4 minutes ago, Maureen said:
Some posters like @Just_A_Guy, @mirkwood, @anatess2 and @Vort are suspicious that @VelvetShadow is really @Blossom76 and/or @truthseaker in disguise.
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What? Just for the record everyone my name is Ann, Ann with no E, not that it is anyones business. My nickname as a child was velvet so thats why I chose my online name.
Thank you for shedding some light on what is going on though, I knew there was some sort of joke happening at my expense
5 hours ago, anatess2 said:Whoa. Insult? Inside joke?
Something's afoot people...
And a few of you do seem to have inside jokes with each other in the forums, I assumed that was what you were doing at my expense with the silly photo you posted.
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On 9/3/2018 at 12:04 PM, Carborendum said:
So, there are some things you agree are to be experienced after the commitment, after your sign on, just as you don't know what your husband looked like naked before you were married (assuming you were chaste before marriage). The level of sacredness of sex during marriage is the level of sacredness of the temple ordinances. It is to be experienced AFTER the decision to commit.
FYI I was a virgin when I got married, but I knew what to expect from sex, I knew how it worked, I knew what went were etc etc, I didn't go into my wedding night blind, and that is how I view getting baptised without knowing fully what to expect in the temple, going in blind and having to wait a year to find out what I really signed up for. And that's just not good enough for me.
Does that mean I will abandon my studies of this faith? No I will not do that, but I certainly don't have to agree with everything, and I don't agree with this. Again, I mean no disrespect to any of you, this is my opinion this is what I think.
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On 9/3/2018 at 11:22 AM, Vort said:
It's touching to see a truthseaker blossom.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here but it is obvious that a few of you are making fun of me in some way, the other person made the same insult at me with the silly picture of the girl form the Big Bang theory. I hope you all find yourself hilarious. I find a lot of you acting very un-christian and to be honest quite mean.
I don't want to sign up for something if I don't know what I am signing up for. Seriously people, not hard to understand so I'm not saying it again.
You don't agree with me then thats fine, but if you need to make fun of me with some inside joke I don't understand because I don't agree with you, then I find that quite immature.
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On 9/3/2018 at 12:04 PM, Carborendum said:
You've already treated it like a simple play to be looked at for academic reasons only. How can you come to understand the sacredness of it? The waiting, the anticipation, the studying, the preparing, are all part of the experience. And you will never be able to have that because you HAD to have it all NOW.
This is a very serious commitment, I just think I should be able to know 100% what I am getting into before getting into it. I don't understand why you all find that so hard to acknowledge that it is perfectly normal for me to feel that way.
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9 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and believe that you're afraid that there is something sinister in the temple. From the tone of your posts on this forum, I'd say that may be a fair question.
No sorry you're way off. I don't think that at all, I just don't agree with the reasoning of 'get baptised' and then a year later find out what happens in the temple. I think all the beliefs and ceremonies/ordinances of a faith should be up front and available to an investigator so they can make an informed choice before getting baptised.
I'm reading everything the church puts out about the temple that I can get my hands on but there is a lot they wont talk about because you promise in the temple not to talk about or reveal it so I can't really know. That's my issue, nothing more.
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4 hours ago, LePeel said:
it's not that I'm comparing myself to my peers, it's that I'm concerned about my ability to support a family, which I could work on rather than go on a mission.
Can you buy a modest property before you go on a mission? Rent it out while you are gone, get your parents or a real estate agent to look after the tenants and inspections, then at least you have some financial security to come back to?
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I think you should watch what you are comfortable with, if it makes you uncomfortable then don't watch it. I don't think it makes you an extremist, you are just being true to yourself.
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Professional Therapy (counselling) would be my advice, both as a couple and for each of you on your own. I'm so sorry you are in this situation, it must be heartbreaking for you. You deserve a husband that loves you, not someone who tells you how he has no romantic feelings towards you and that he thinks about other girls. That's awful, my heart goes out to you.
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3 minutes ago, anatess2 said:
I'm not sure if I'm saying things properly. English is not my primary language and there may be something lost in translation. But what you said here is exactly what I said.
The question is simple. Finding the answer is as complex as you need for it to be complex. God knows what you need. Some people find the answer in a day. I took a very difficult, very emotionally unsettling 3 years. You take however long you need, whatever you need to get there.
3 years! I feel better knowing that, thanks for sharing. Sometimes I feel like I should just know, that it shouldn't be this difficult, that I shouldn't have all these questions, but I do have them and this is very serious for me, it is comforting to know if took you 3 years to come to your decision.
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15 hours ago, person0 said:
If you read the Book of Abraham you could have approximately 50% understanding of what types of things you will learn / see in the temple.
Thank you, I'm definitely doing that, I've also found a series of videos on 'the pearl of great price' on BYU education channel on youtube, so between both those sources of information I should be on the right track!
No temple video watching, at least not until I have read and watched everything I can get my hands on put out by or supported by the church.
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1 hour ago, KScience said:
VelvetShadow I can understand your desire to learn about the church before making a full commitment and have taken your questioning as a demonstartion of the importance that this decision is to you.
If you want some of your questions answered I can recommend a great book The House of the Lord By James E. Talmage available on GoogleBooks: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mX4zCgAAQBAJ
I hope this answers some of your questions and helps you come to a decision.
Thank you, I'll check it out
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