Jonah
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On 7/4/2020 at 3:00 PM, Just_A_Guy said:
Art thou the only “Christian” in a forum full of Mormon heretics, and knowest not these things?
When did the Holy of Holies (restricted to one male High Priest once a year in the Old
Testament) become like the celestial room in the LDS temple (where even women are
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On 7/2/2020 at 9:54 AM, Carborendum said:
In the 1820s slavery was still a big thing. The northern states had just outlawed it about 10 years before Joseph's birth. But the southern states were chugging along with the institution.
I purchased a book called "Saints, Slaves, & Blacks - The Changing Place of Black People
Within Mormonism" by Newell G. Bringhurst. I haven't read all of it so far, but it appears to
give a good glimpse into some of the hardships the Saints went through in that era. -
On 7/2/2020 at 10:27 AM, Traveler said:
I have a personal belief that some find difficult - but I believe that in the pre-existence we exercised our agency and "chose" our trials, blessings and opportunities for this life.
Do you mean you had agency (the ability to choose good or evil) in the pre-existence? If yes,
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On 7/1/2020 at 3:49 PM, Just_A_Guy said:
It had a Holy of Holies, which like modern celestial rooms represented coming back into the presence of the very throne of God.
Who could enter the Holy of Holies and how often?
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On 6/24/2020 at 9:45 PM, Carborendum said:
we don't know what Mary looked like
We have a little description mentioned in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 11).
... she was exceedingly fair and white. ... most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.
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On 6/30/2020 at 7:40 AM, Carborendum said:
I know that I've been guilty of just "going through a session" quite often. And, again, it is my wife who reminds me that I need to take time to ponder, pray, and listen to the Spirit while in the Celestial Room.
Did the Jerusalem temple have a celestial room?
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On 6/30/2020 at 8:06 AM, Carborendum said:
It occurred to me that the husband had pretty much felt abandoned by the Lord
Sometimes God answers prayers for healing with a 'no' or 'not yet'. It might help if you remind that
person of the trials Job went through - Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him -
On 6/17/2020 at 3:20 PM, NeuroTypical said:
"need to"? What translation of the bible conveys the notion that he does it because he needs to?
@Anddenex
The word disguised (ESV) conveys the meaning. The KJV uses transforms. For example: if you visit your
friend, you don't disguise or transform yourself.I'll quote more of the KJV passage for context:
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And
no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his
ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their
works. -
On 6/14/2020 at 1:42 AM, Anddenex said:
1) When Christ was upon the earth he was visited by an angel of light (even the devil) himself. Did this cause any interference with receiving revelation from the Father, or knowing his father's voice? No.
Why does the devil need to disguise himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14)?
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On 6/13/2020 at 2:34 PM, mordorbund said:
How can a disciple of Christ discern between true revelation and counterfeits?
With scripture.
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On 4/5/2020 at 2:04 PM, Anddenex said:
What interferes with hearing the voice of the Lord and receiving revelation:
1) Pride > I want my will received rather than hear what the Lord is trying to tell me
2) Sin > An unwillingness to give up sins (Lamoni's father was willing to give up "all" his sins to know God)
3) Mental state, which can correlate with #1
I would add a fourth: the devil appearing as an angel of light, giving a false revelation.
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On 5/18/2020 at 12:23 PM, anatess2 said:
American Conservatives have ALWAYS been on the side of the US Constitution
Under what circumstances (allowed by the Constitution) could a US President use the Insurrection
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3 hours ago, Traveler said:
6 And now behold, I say unto you, my brethren, you that belong to this church, have you sufficiently retained in remembrance the captivity of your fathers? Yea, and have you sufficiently retained in remembrance his mercy and long-suffering towards them? And moreover, have ye sufficiently retained in remembrance that he has delivered their souls from hell?
When were the souls of their fathers in hell?
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20 hours ago, CV75 said:
How many are listed in Acts for comparative purposes? What is the scholarly or faithful benefit of doing that, given that publicizing such things is the exception to the rule?
I have not done a comparison between Acts and the D&C but I did see this quoted on
https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Healings_and_miracles"The Saints believe in healings and other miracles through Christ's priesthood power, but are cautious
about sharing such events. However, such events are mainly for the comfort and blessing of the Saints,
and are not intended to convince others or act as a "sign."I know that the biblical writers included a mention of quite a few of the miracles and that even the
Book of Mormon made a mention of the Nephites performing miracles. Apparently they were not
cautious about sharing such events. IMO, they are recorded for the comfort/blessing of Christians
and non-Christians alike (like Hebrews 11) for subsequent generations. -
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On 5/27/2020 at 8:38 AM, CV75 said:
Other miracles are recorded in historical accounts and published journals. These miracles involve LDS apostles and others.
Would you mention some that would be considered mighty signs and wonders as is recorded several
times in the book of Acts (of the Apostles)? -
On 5/29/2020 at 8:12 PM, laronius said:
In the temple we are blessed specifically to be able to withstand these attacks on our physical senses and their spiritual counterparts.
How do non-temple-going Latter-day Saints withstand these attacks?
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Would someone clarify this section.
(12) And when thou deliveredst up that which God had given thee sight and power to translate,
thou deliveredst up that which was sacred into the hands of a wicked man, (13) Who has set at
naught the counsels of God, and has broken the most sacred promises which were made before
God, and has depended upon his own judgment and boasted in his own wisdom.In verse 12, how was Joseph tricked or deceived into giving the sacred to the wicked? Who is
being referred to in verse 13 as boasting in his own wisdom?(15) For thou hast suffered the counsel of thy director to be trampled upon from the beginning.
Who or what is the director and what time frame is 'from the beginning' a reference to?
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On 5/5/2020 at 4:55 PM, Just_A_Guy said:
Well, I’ve never once seen Young bear public testimony of the restored Gospel;
I never saw Steve Young bear any kind of testimony about Jesus Christ on national tv
but he may have done so in a less public setting. -
On 5/20/2020 at 11:43 AM, Just_A_Guy said:
Ben Spackman suggests that Noah had broken the Mosaic “law of the king” as enunciated in Deut 17:14-20.
This might be another reason.
Through the hardness of their hearts, God allowed them to have an earthly king
(just as he allowed divorce) but that was not His desired goal. Having an earthly
king was actually a sign of rebellion because they would not accept God as their
king (1 Samuel 8:1-9; 10:19-22; 12:17-19). God had originally appointed judges and
officials (Deuteronomy 16:18) but the people eventually rejected them and wanted a
king like the nations around them. -
On 5/15/2020 at 7:19 PM, CV75 said:
In the words of Elder Oaks (and whole article is worth reading), "Although we are generally counseled not to speak of sacred things like the miracles we have witnessed, there are times when the Spirit prompts us to share these experiences, sometimes even in a setting where our account will be published."
Do the recorded miracles in the Bible by Jesus and the apostles in the early church and the
Nephite disciples (in 4 Nephi 1:5,13) mean those who experienced and or performed them
did not hold them sacred? If no, why are the apostolic ones mentioned?What miracles wrought by the LDS apostles are mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants?
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9 hours ago, CV75 said:
"Nephi's bow stopped functioning not due to his abuse and neglect of the covenant, but to show that a covenant people are required to preserve the covenant in the earth. With only one bow in use, it could not keep up with demand." Subsequent posts flesh that out by mentioning overuse and other factors.
What do you believe is the symbolism of Nephi never making another steel bow or that subsequent
wooden bows are never mentioned as breaking? -
On 5/10/2020 at 2:06 PM, CV75 said:
Where the bow is also a symbol of power and strength (priesthood) and fertility (continuation of the seeds -- see D&C 132), we see in its symbolism the fulfilment the blessings of exaltation.
What is symbolized by the steel bow breaking and that no wooden bow was mentioned
to have broken? -
10 hours ago, Carborendum said:
You know, I never really pondered that myself and don't have time now. I'm taking the time to appreciate this interpretation for the moement.
What do you think it coud be? You seem to have spent more time thinking about it than I have. I hope you at least have some scriptures and/or solid reasoning to back it up.
I don't believe there is any special meaning in the recorded event. But I appreciate
the time and thought you put towards your explanation. It was very deep.
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