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  1. Jms.mills.....The answer is yes. If fact we can even receive it before being baptized as an Astounded Peter and apostles found out. And if this happens to anyone...they are worthy to be immediately baptized. Acts 10:44- While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Acts 10:45 - And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 10:46 - For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Acts 10:47 - Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. The ordinance of the laying on of the hands for the Holy Ghost is only the promise of it. If a man lives his life according to the will of God...He receives His companionship by promise. They who do not have the laying on of hands do not receive the Holy Ghost as a companion by promise. It means it may not stay after giving its teaching and/or testimony of the truth. So the laying on of hands is.....Not the actual bequeathing of it. For no one can force the Holy Ghost to come to a individual. Whenever an individual fulfill the conditions of it....the promises are then fulfilled for God is no respecter of persons. Again Yes, people of other religions can receive it. However, it is much harder to do this...if one is not taught many errors according to the creeds of men. The added advantage of being in the LDS church is that you will find none of these type of teachings amongst the Christians. ------------------------------------------- Evangelical churches: However, in these churches where many claim to speak in tongues and no other gifts of the holy Ghost such as prophesying, healing, working of miracles etc are NOT manifested they are being deceived. The Speaking in tongues is the easiest of the all the gifts of God for Satan to duplicate for deception. Because which language does Satan not know? For it is absolutely impossible that God gives everyone the same and only gift. That is not the way God works. Every man is to receive gifts according to their talent so that the whole body is served. In the Celestial Kingdom it is the opposite of what it is on the earth. In the world the weak and the least are made to serve the mighty. In the Celestial Kingdom the order is reversed. The greater one is...the better he is able to serve others. God shall give one to several gifts or more depending on the worthiness of the individual. And they are to use their gifts in the service of others. This way we remain humble and meek. Peace be unto you bert10
  2. CatholicGirl. Matthew 16:18 - And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I often run across this argument by the protestants on Christians Forums. It is true that Jesus said the following above...the important thing that most is missing....is what prompted Jesus to say this in the first place? Matthew 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. It was this previous verse...which shows that only Peter had answered the Lord correctly because he had heard the FATHER in his Heart. This rock called Revelation is the cornerstone that the builders of churches always reject. The gates of hell cannot prevail against anyone who builds his life on this rock. Here how it is suppose to work in each one of our life. The way High-Way of Holiness [isaiah] or Straight and Narrow Way of Jesus. It does not matter which of the terms one uses...They work in the same manner. Whenever one turns to the right hand [zealousness] or left hand [towards error of doctrine] We shall hear a voice saying.... Isaiah 30:21 - And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. It is why only the Elect which are they who walk on the way of perfection shall not err in these last days. And again it is because they are led by the Spirit of God in their hearts. This is the rock by which the gates of hell cannot prevail against. Peace be unto you bert10
  3. Digital Shadow. My answer shall be different. Than all the others on this board. At least I think. The true Religion of the Lord is this: 1. To love GOD with all of one's might, mind and soul. 2. To love our neighbors as like unto ourselves. Upon These Two Commandments Rests the Laws Of All The Prophets. If you do this two things....then God will take a hand in your life and direct you in the path you should follow. These two commandments of God will allow you to life of full of Charity towards your brothers and sisters...which is better to defined to means "Pure Love of God in action." And the law is....what you do to your fellows...It is as if you are doing it to God. No one who LIVES Matthew 22:37 - 39 below shall fail and not be acknowledge nor be directed by God Himself. Matthew 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment. Matthew 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 22:40 - On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. LDS are the better religion and no one who really understand Israel can say the opposite. For our church has followed a parallel path. Just a few examples....For example Israel was totally removed and exiled Twice...so were we we. Israel lost their first two temples so did we. Peace be unto you bert10
  4. Now we go into uncharted waters as far as the majority is concerned. Each person's path is different because of the uniqueness of the individuals. Institutions in order to functions efficiently must make everyone walk in the same path. However, these institutions are very effective for those who needs to be and to remain in the gospel of Repentance. But when we go in the way of perfection...we are on our own path for perfection and final purification. And the trials and tests are now from Jesus and are TAILORED to each one of us according to our specific weaknesses. But before a man is given to Jesus by the Father he must first hear and learn from the Father.....Jesus said... John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. After we overcome the world what need would we have for prophets when we have our own "URIM"? Revelation 2:17 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Moses understood this and one day exasperated stated..... Numbers 11:29 - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! That is right if one has the Spirit of God upon them....then they are prophets. In fact no person can have a Testimony of Christ without having it from the Spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And once one has overcome the world.....it is normally their last day on this earth. For when one receives the promises of Eternal Life in the flesh either one dies as a martyr as many of the early Christians did or one is given a mission like John and the Three Nephites or one is sent to live in Zion in heaven. I hope this helps. P/s which prophets do you know that has received the promises of Eternal Life in the flesh? Have any in our church cease to age, become free from afflictions and diseases? Or are they all being dragged into the grave? Did not Jesus say...that he who eats of the heavenly bread need not die? peace be unto you bert10
  5. That post about intelligences has impressed you? Did you know that the bible also alluded to it even Jesus? 1. Joshua 24:27 - And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the LORD which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God. 2. Habakkuk 2:11 - For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it. 3. Luke 19:40 - And HE answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. Moses taught Israel the religion of Enoch and they would not hear. Consider that Enoch only wrote on Stone Tablets, and that Moses came down with the Ten commandments in Stone Tablets. And that the first altar God commanded man to build it from uncut Stones. Stones and rocks are used as witnesses as well as in the Altar unto God. As you can see that the OT alludes to this in a few places and Jesus also taught on it...even though very little of it remains in the NT. Has anyone ever considered if we were to command a mountain to go into the sea....that it would not need enough intelligence to understand us, and to move and to understand what is a sea before executing the command? Peace be unto you bert10
  6. Anthony....the Burning Bosom or called the Burning heart is not the only way God speaks to men. He speaks to us...by visions, voice, dreams, intuitions, Wraths, earthquakes, flood, fires, plagues and diseases. The manner in which God relates to man as an individual, people and nation is totally depended on us. But the Way of Holiness cannot be treaded upon without hearing God. And Isaiah also said the Unclean [they who do not hear God in their heart because their heart are still hardened] cannot walk on it. Here are his teachings. Jesus also spoke of this way...and He said to enter by the Strait Gate and walk in the NARROW WAY. Isaiah 30:21 - And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. The Way of Holiness is a highway that we must travel on. Isaiah 35:8 - And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. The Unclean cannot hear the voice of the God when they stray from the way of Holiness either to the Right hand [Zealousness] or to the Left hand [Error]. The LDS teach a lot on the Burning Heart.... But it is not the only voice of God. Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: More information on this is added in the NT. Hebrews 4:7 - Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Revelation is the only thing that allows a man to not stray from the path of perfection by turning to the left hand or to the right hand. And It is REVELATION that is the rock which builders of Churches have always rejected. This Corner Stone is the very stone upon which the Gates of hell cannot prevail against. I hope this helps. Because prophecy based on private interpretation is useless. Peace be unto you bert10
  7. Hi There. I can say why things like errors do occur. And it is, Because people trust in the Arms of the Flesh. And they who do this have committed a great sin. If a man follows a prophet and when that prophet falls so shall they. All men are urged to learn and be taught of the FATHER and not of other men. Teachers of righteousness first task is to teach men to hear God in their heart. Not substitute themselves in the place of God. <> Moses exasperated...said that all men should be prophets. <> - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45 <> Testimony of Jesus Christ is of the Spirit of prophecy (Revelation) Peace be unto you bert10
  8. Hi there James. I think my post is going to be a little bit different from those on this board. I hope you get a lot from it. Believing on the outside meaning of Name.....Jesus Christ does not save anyone. Because the word "Name".....Means = NATURE. Therefore it should be whomsoever believes on my NAme [Nature] Shall be saved. Also with belief comes works. The Name Jesus Christ means in part...."HE Who SAVES" is "THE ANNOINTED ONE with LIGHT." Jesus said Both of these Sayings...."I AM LIGHT" and "I AM LOVE". What shall save men is their walk in LIGHT and LOVE. Here is the bible verse and now it can easily be understood when the Lord shall cleanse us of our sins. 1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. This now also explain clearly the meaning....of Jesus and Isaiah when they said.... Matthew 15:8 - This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. We cannot honor the Son with our heart if we only give Lip service. And Lip service is not walking in the Light As Christ is in the Light. We must walk the talk. Also there is another sin attached to this. Which I will not go into at this time. To honor the Lord we must learn to Walk in Light and Love as He did in His life. And none can do this without first learning Repentance. Peace be unto you Bert10
  9. AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. - Job 2:1 It appears that the Bible is contradicting itself. However, there is a truth that can reconcile that bible verses and others like it....to the One Begotten Son. There is no need to reject the bible verses that contradicts John nor to re-interpret them to mean what the Christians wish them to mean. The LDS have the truth and has revealed it to the world. And it reconciles the bible verses. Peace be unto you bert10
  10. Hi Tomk. I see things way differently than what you have posted. I would like to share what I have learned. I have shared this many times with the Christians who had asked concerning this. Of course they could not accept it. Hebrews 6:1 - THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:2 - Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews Chapter 6 deals with the Gospel of Repentance and also with the Gospel of perfection......"Let us move on unto perfection." Hebrews 6:1-2 deals Solely with the Gospel or Repentance. Note were are leaving just those principles of Christ for Greater principles in CHRIST. For the lower laws are always fulfilled by a Higher law. Here is what we have to leave behind in order to move on unto perfection: <> - not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works: Why? because once we have been forgiven of our sins...doing works of repentance is useless. I did not say that we should not keep the Spirit of contrition. But pleading for forgiveness of sins when we are already received it dead works. For it is written....He who is born of God does not sin. [John] <> - and of faith toward God, Once one has a testimony of Jesus Christ....His faith of God is transformed into knowledge. We still require faith to do works. But if one repents properly His faith towards God is changed into Knowledge. <> - Of the doctrine of baptisms, Once Baptized it is sufficient. That is why we also leave it behind. In the early days of the Apostles and as well as in the early days of the church [i believe] LDS would seek to be baptized often for the remission of Sin. *The ordinance of Baptism is the symbolism of our purity achieved by repentance and where we Covenant before God and Witnesses we will follow the commandments of God.* <> - and of laying on of hands: Once one has received the laying on of hands for the promise of the Holy Ghost....it is sufficient. It cannot be conferred by force nor by how many times one undergoes this ordinance. <> - and of resurrection of the dead, Those that goes into the Grave against their will....shall not leave behind the Resurrection of the Dead. Only they who receives the promises of Life Eternal in the flesh shall not TASTE OF DEATH. See Paul concerning the change that comes in a twinkling of an eye. Like John, the 3 Nephites, Elijah, Enoch...etc. This change is not in fulness. <> - and of eternal judgment. The Law is judge ye not and ye shall not be judged. Those who become the Spiritual man has learned to not judged other men outside of the Spirit of Judgment. And so they are not judged. These are the things we leave behind when we move on unto perfection. I have given a brief explanation why we leave those things behind. ---------------------------------------------------------- Gospel of Perfection. [ie, Highway of Holiness, Narrow way etc] I do not know exactly where to begin....because this now deals with what is Spiritual and only they who are Spiritual can know of it. I will try on verses 4 and 5 and see if I can convey correctly this stuff. Again I will put is in a list form and give a brief explanation. For it is impossible for those who were: <> Once En- light- ened, and; It means for those who have received the Light of Christ. For if you remember the BOM teaching concerning the Spirit of Christ also being called the Spirit of Truth and LIGHT. And a son of perdition is a murderer of the Truth [LIGHT]. <> have tasted of the heavenly gift, and; The heavenly gifts is "HEAVENLY PEACE". It is to have GOD the Son and the Father ABIDING in US. <> were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, By the laying on of hands...we are conferred the Holy Ghost by promise which is conditional that we shall repent fully and learn to Hear and be taught of the FATHER before Being Given to Christ. [still small voice] The following also belongs in the gospel of perfection. For no one is given to Christ for further purification until he has fulfilled the conditions of it. Which is hear and learn of the Father. John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. --------------------------------------------------- <> tasted the good word of God: and; Tasted. Means to ingest, absorb and BEcome. And condition and the promise is concerning this Heavenly Bread which is the WORD Which is CHRIST ....meaning Anointed One with Light. John 6:50 - This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. Jesus is the Bread that came down...and He brought LIGHT to men. They who become FULL OF LIGHT and turn again to darkness there is nothing left with which they can be "salted" unto repentance. <> the powers of the world to come, Those who are born of God do not sin, do not grow old, do not get sick, things of the world become subjected unto them etc. Other powers of the world to come is....Translations, Urim and Thummim, Creation, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------ I now end here. Because Hebrews 6:6 can be easily be understood by the information above. I hope you guys understand this post and pray about it. Either we learn and do this stuff in this world or we begin after death which may carry a penalty. Hebrews 6:4 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Hebrews 6:5 - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:6 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Peace be unto you bert10
  11. HI! TOMK Before I try to explain what is the blessing perhaps I should start with its opposite. And with a little background from where I am coming from. PS. The parentheses in green are what I am receiving] D&C 67:10 - And again, verily I say unto you that it is your privilege, and a promise I give unto you that have been ordained unto this ministry, that inasmuch as you strip yourselves from jealousies and fears, and humble yourselves before me, for ye are not sufficiently humble, the veil shall be rent and you shall see me and know that I am--not with the carnal neither natural mind, but with the spiritual. If it were possible for the veil to be rent for the natural man....they would see that GOD [Father] is Spiritual. And that only the Spiritual Man [born of God] can come in the Presence or see the Father [GOD]. Also Jealousies, fears, pride is of the world and it is darkness and Darkness cannot abide in the Light of GOD. A Spiritual Man is a man who has been purified from the things of the World. ------------------------------------------------- D&C 67:11 - For no man has seen God [FATHER] at any time in the flesh, except quickened by the Spirit of God. This quickening cannot occur to a man who still has stains on his soul. Shout be allowed somehow to come into the presence of the Father without being prepared sufficiently [Purified] [it would not be good for the Pure Light of God burns Darkness] D&C 67:12 - Neither can any natural man abide the presence of God, neither after the carnal mind. D&C 67:13 - Ye are not able to abide the presence of God now, neither the ministering of angels; wherefore, continue in patience until ye are perfected. D&C 67:14 - Let not your minds turn back; and when ye are worthy, in mine own due time, ye shall see and know that which was conferred upon you by the hands of my servant Joseph Smith, Jun. Amen. --------------------------------------------------------------- Those previous verses are clues to this conclusion. Up above we have somewhat defined in a limited fashion what can be constituted as darkness because the list is pretty long. President Benson spoke of a "Blessing Hitherto Unknown" that we should received. But as long as the LDS Elders....walks in worldly ways [fears, jealousies, envies, anger etc] They cannot receive it and what follows are the warnings and the promises of the Lord. D&C 84:53 - And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groaneth under sin and darkness even now. D&C 88:49 - the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not; nevertheless, the day shall come when you shall comprehend even God, being quickened in him and by him. - We are in those days now. D&C 88:67 - And if your eye be single to my glory, your whole bodies shall be filled with light, and there shall be no darkness in you; and that body which is filled with light comprehendeth all things. It means whatever we center ourselves on or think or concentrate on about. [As a man thinketh.....] D&C 95:6 - They who are not chosen have sinned a very grievous sin, in that they are walking in darkness at noon-day. If we are not chosen....it is because of our worldly ways and attitudes because the Teachings in the BOM are Showing us THE WAY TO CHRIST! Jesus talked about the Narrow WAY - And Isaiah also talked about the Way of Holiness and also stated that the unclean cannot pass over it. D&C 95:12 - If you keep not my commandments, the love of the Father shall not continue with you, therefore you shall walk in darkness. ----------------------------------------------------------- Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should NOT ENTER INTO MY REST: We begin in the NT with this...even though Israel of old had been chosen to receive this Blessing. The NT make it clear what is needed and why we have not yet receive this blessing as a people. Hebrews 3:15 - While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. THE LDS Church is Paralleling the history of Israel. The Church has been driven into the wilderness and the people as a whole have not yet learned to be taught of GOD so that they can come unto Christ. And so at this time we are doing what Israel has done in the wilderness. The promise of "Entering into the Rest of the Lord" is only given when we fulfill the conditions upon which it is predicated on. Psalms 95:8 - Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: Psalms 95:9 - When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. Psalms 95:10 - Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Psalms 95:11 - Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. There is a lot more that can be said and a sleuth of bible verses that speak on this. Not to mention what is in the BOM. I hope it has helped you and understand what might be the "Blessing Hitherto Unknown" not directly mentioned by the Lord. Now Entering into the Rest of the Lord what it is .....is the Fruit of the tree of Life which is sweeter above all fruits which we can only taste when we are EN-LIGHTENED by the Still Small Voice. And what happens when we as a people have entered into His rest. Peace be unto you bert10
  12. Hi. That is a good thread starter. I hope many comments on it so that we can teach each other. When I read that part this, I listened and these are some of the thoughts that came to me.. Alma 12:9 - And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. 1. Not cast pearls before swines...was always a commandment and it is still valid and was even practiced by Jesus. 2. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. John 16:12 These teachings that the Apostles could not bear would have to wait until after the Resurrection for Jesus was about to be taken. 3. The Commission of this church. - Say nothing but repentance unto this generation; keep my commandments, and assist to bring forth my work, according to my commandments, and you shall be blessed. D&C 6:9 How many people are refusing to join the LDS simply because they have not yet gone into the Gospel of Repentance do not have the Comforter and now have access to temple rituals and other teachings that require the Holy Ghost to testify that it is true? How many are dragging what is sacred to the mud? And yet today we are in the times of the restitution of all things and because of the Internet we are not responsible anymore unto those for the information that is spread over the whole world. It is also helping us in sorting out those who truly thirst and hungers for the Truth. And they who join the LDS after reading all that stuff....will probably not apostatized when times are hard. -------------------------------------------------------------- Alma 12:11 - And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell. I listened and this is what I got. The Lesser portion of the WORD [the Word is Christ and Christ means Anointed One with Light] So the Lesser portion of the WORD means one will receives less light. And since no one is static...meaning we are either moving towards the Light [WORD] or we are Moving towards Darkness. So if we move towards darkness of soul....and Once our whole soul is darkened...Satan has power to bring us to destruction. <>Mysteries simply mean what is hidden. Also....Paul basically said even if we understood all the mysteries of God without Charity "I am Nothing". <>chains of hell....is everything that MAKES us WEAKER [binding] and PULLS us closer to darkness. The stronger the chain the greater the habit or leaning one has towards a particular weakness or sin. Damnation is to be without LIGHT. ----------------------------------------------------- Here is an example on one of the Mystery of God. Alma 12:12 - And Amulek hath spoken plainly concerning death, and being raised from this mortality to a state of immortality, and being brought before the bar of God, to be judged according to our works. How many Christians say that they are saved by faith or by grace alone? Truly they are wonderful in their errors.....When one post with the Christians one gets to see the gospel come alive And the words of the prophets begin to come alive full of meaning... for what the prophets have gone thru so do those who post with the Philistines shall have to suffer. I hope that you guys liked this perspective. And that I have not posted in vain. These were just some of my thoughts on these two verses and on the example. Peace be unto you bert10
  13. Does it means because that it is negative we should not hear nor talk about it? True, prophets often spoke of the Love of God in their messages. Sometimes the urgency required that they keep the message short. And other times...The message of Love is lost on deaf ears. So God will speak to a people in the only language that they understand at the time. For example Jonah 3:4 - And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. That was one of the problems of the Jews who indignantly thought....How dare the prophets say that their church and the covenant people were out of the way? Many times they would not believe even when they were standing on the eve of judgments. President Benson in the Eighties Urged the LDS to not only read the BOM but to live its principles so that the people could receive a "Blessing Hitherto Unknown" before the scourge and judgment would fall on this church according to prophecy. Curiously.....no other prophets, since has called the LDS to receive this Blessing. Peace be unto you bert10
  14. Hi! STILL_SMALL_VOICE ....First I would like to begin to say....that I like your nick. I spend much of my time teaching the Philistines on This. "The Calling and election made sure"...as in the what is done in the temple? Well we won't go into what goes on in the temple even though the LDS newspaper printed the entire Ordnances when they were first given. I guess it was a one time shot type deal. The ordinances that one receives in the temple are only the promises of it Based on only .......if one "Overcomes the world". I know of none who have received those ordinances that did not get sick, continued to aged, have accidents nor received a new Name and a white Stone and be taught the Hidden Manna. Here are the promises of Christ that will happen when one overcomes the world.... Revelation 2:17 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. To him that overcometh: 1. Will I give to eat of the hidden manna. [which is reserved for the Elect. 2. And will give him a white Stone. 3. And a NEW NAME. These are only some of the things promised to them that have overcome the world. And Trust me...no matter how many ordinances one has in the temple...about 'Election and exaltation made sure'....if one has not overcome the world then God is not bound by the promises received in the Temple. For the Lord Himself has said...We must first do as He hath said. D&C 82:10 - I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise. Another wonderful promise dealing with Overcoming the World....which is also dealing with the Heavenly Manna is: that He shall NOT DIE. He who eats of the bread of eternal life that comes from God shall eventually be filled with Eternal Life and these....shall not die ever, nor taste of death. Read Paul how it is done..."Twinkling of an eye". John 6:50 - This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. Here is another thing that is not taught.....That if any who receives the promises of Eternal Life in the flesh....cannot die unless they literally give up their life. For no powers on the earth or below the earth or in heaven can take the life from a person once God has given it to Him. Many early Christians did receive it but chose to willingly die in the Arenas not asking to be delivered by God in order to get a better resurrection. Hebrews 11:35 - Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: As far as I know the "Election made sure" is the same thing as Translation or transfiguration. For no person can receive the Second Comforter which is Jesus Christ in person delivering the promises without first overcoming the world. On this day, which for most; it is their last day on the earth for God shall say...."Ask whatsoever you will and I will do it" Some like the three nephites for example were given missions on th earth. John the Beloved also received permission to be a ministering Spirit and not undergo the change in fullness until after the plan of salvation is finished. Now John and the Three Nephites have received the promises of Eternal Life and they ceased to be sick, and they ceased to grow old. And had the power of the kingdom for the kingdom of God was with them. And anyone who receives the promises shall ask whatsoever they will and God shall immediately do it. Just as Jesus could have asked for legions of Roman soldiers to delivered him. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Three 1838-39 p.150 "When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in the 14th chapter, from the 12th to the 27th verses." I think that is as far as I wish to go into this. You are wondering how I know all this stuff? Simple....I believe in the promises and actually live them in faith which are.......ask, seek and knock. Peace be unto you bert10
  15. Rapture as such is not in the bible......... But there is such a thing as Translation or transfiguration....which is what happens when one receives the promises of Eternal life in the flesh. So relax...if a person is not worthy to receive the promises Eternal Life in the Flesh....today...then he is not any more worthy if the Lord were to come tomorrow. Eymology from Wikipedia..... "Rapture", when used in eschatological terms, is an English word used in place of the Latin word raeptius; taken from the Vulgate, which in turn is a translation of the Koine Greek word harpazo, which is found in the Greek New Testament manuscripts of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. In many modern English translations of the Bible, harpazo is translated; "caught up", or "taken away". "Harpazo" \har-pad'-zo\ Koine Greek; "forcibly snatched away", "taken for oneself". From Wikipedia """"""""the Rapture is the name given to a future event in which Jesus Christ will descend from Heaven, accompanied by the spirits of all the saints of God, both from the pre-incarnation period and after, who have passed on prior to this event, and then the bodily remains of these saints are transported from the Earth to meet the Lord and be rejoined with their corresponding spirits in the air. Immediately after this, all Christians alive on the earth are simultaneously transported to meet the Lord and those who have preceded them in the air. All are transformed into immortal bodies like Jesus' body, often referred to as the "resurrection body". This doctrine gained popularity in the 1830s, and more recently in the 1970s, with proponents of the premillennialist, and in particular the dispensationalist, interpretations of scripture. However, proponents of the doctrine have argued that it can be found in the early Church fathers and the New Testament. There is much disagreement amongst rapture proponents over when the rapture will occur in relation to the Tribulation, a seven-year period preceding the second coming of Christ to the earth, or indeed, if the duration of the Tribulation will be seven years or only a 3 1/2 year period. Some understand the tribulation of Matthew 24 as having already taken place in 70 AD at the destruction of Jerusalem. (see Preterism). Three different views predominate. The first is that it will take place sometime prior to the Tribulation. The second is that it will take place mid-way through the Tribulation. The third is that it will take place after the Tribulation, when Christ comes to earth to establish His kingdom, the Kingdom of God, taking over rulership of the world for 1,000 years. (see Millennialism). A fourth view has recently developed, called the Pre-Wrath view.""""""" Peace be unto you bert0
  16. Wow that is very fair treatment. In the light of the info ....I thought this was very well handled. Peace be unto you bert10
  17. The Second Coming is not the LAST DAY! But a beginning. And only the most wicked shall be removed from the earth. I will not take sides on who is right. For I tell you the truth......there shall be many who do not even know Christ nor had previously believed in Him shall be left alive. If Christ came to destroy all the wicked then the earth would be left empty except for a few million souls. Even so, many shall remain who at first shall not recognized Christ even when He shows them His wounds. Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. It has been taught that only Christians shall remain. I say to you that many shall enter into heaven before today' s Christians. For in Zechariah there are dire warnings...for those who will not keep the feast of the Tabernacle. The Muslims and other religions at first will not wish to keep this feast not believing that Christ has come. For who shall see the Lord come except they who are His elects which are so few? So, they who do not keep the feast of the Tabernacle shall receive of the plagues of Egypt until they do so. NOTE on the Feast of the Tabernacle: God shall required it of every man, family, people and nations. It is written every knee shall bow unto God. Zechariah 14:19 - This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. It is so hard to continually fight those who constantly seek to interpret the gospel according to their own beliefs and agendas. Why do you think that Jesus said that His Coming would be like a Thief in the Night? Because only they who hear God in their heart [Are the Elects and Saints of God] that shall be prepared for it like Noah was. All the rest will continue to interpret the gospel and the prophecies according to their own understanding and so they shall be taken unprepared. In fact men shall marry and give in marriage at that time. Jesus is coming to set up His kingdom in the hearts of those who shall survive the coming calamities. The Kingdom of God is in our heart right now. And what God will do is remove all the obstacle that prevents us at this time from establishing it. Such as false religions and governments who are run by the wicked and the rich. etc. The last day shall occur at the end of the Millennium in the final battle concerning the Sons of Light against the Sons of the Darkness. We shall be called to come out of Babylon into Zions which are places of safety. You can call them ARKs. Revelation 18:4 - And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. At no time in the past did the Lord removed the Righteous from having to face the calamities and exercise faith unto their salvation. Faith always came first. At the flood by faith Noah was saved when he built the Ark. In Goshen Israel was kept safe and even prospered while the Egyptians were made to suffer. If God can save Noah and keep Israel safe in the midst of Egypt and her plagues...then He shall do so again for those who shall gather to those places of safety called Zions or arks. The Angel said that the Coming of the Lord shall be like the ascensions. Which was done,,quietly, peacefully and only a few believers to witness it. Acts 1:11 - Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Peace be unto you bert10
  18. A humble and meek person whose bowels are full of compassion and mercy is not Sarcastic. This is a wicked Character trait and is of the world. And God is not of the World neither does He teaches using the ways of the wicked. TEACHING BY OPPOSITES: This is also a common form of teaching. We can teach and clarify a statement simply by showing the opposite of the statement. This is most effective when we have live examples even if it is of what we should not do. Let us see how God uses these Palms verses and in what manner the judges and princes of Israel failed to do in order to qualify as being a True Son of God. The Lord begins by Enumerating what the Judges and Princes of Israel are failing in. Then He sets the standards of what it is to be a True Son of God and then he tells them because of their position of authority they shall die like men [because the wages of sin always lead to the grave] Psalms 82:1 - A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. By The Respecting of persons and by bribes neglecting the poor we fail God. Psalms 82:2 - How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Psalms 82:3 - Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Psalms 82:4 - Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. Psalms 82:5 - They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. We are truly the children of the Most High. And because of this we shall always act like a Caring and just father especially when we are in position of authority. We are Gods [Good] and because we are Good [Gods] Our Father is expecting more from us than the wicked have done above. Psalms 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. We are to clothes, feed and nourish the poor. We are to visit the sick and the prisoners [if it is possible] We are to be kind, compassionate and merciful unto others. Psalms 82:7 - But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Because Ye have failed to act Goodly........Ye shall die like men and fall like the princes of Israel. For God is no respecter persons...and shall give to all men their dues according to each of our works as it is written many times in scriptures. Psalms 82:8 - Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. ---------------------------------------------------------- And in the New Testament....when Jesus defended Himself of the charges of Blasphemy by claiming to be God....Jesus reminded the wicked the words of Psalms....I have said Ye are Gods. This is the true interpretation of what is meant....Ye are Gods. There is more to this...but it is sufficient. Peace be unto you bert10
  19. Hemidakota...."Gratitude leads to humbleness".....Thanks - That is also a very good piece of information. Peace be unto you bert10
  20. Hi. It means before the world was...we were the Children of Light [truth]. Obviously Cain the first born of Adam and Eve was a great Spirit before the world was...deserving the honor to be the first man born of woman on the earth. When a person comes into the knowledge and becomes Enlightened which is the testimony of Christ and then reject it....He is putting himself beyond the power of repentance and so those who do this are called Sons of Perdition or Sons of Cain. For it is Impossible for those who have become ENLIGHTENED and have tasted the following below if they fall away to be renewed unto repentance by the power of the Holy Ghost so that they could be forgiven by God if: [i have put the verses of Hebrews 6:4-6 in the form of a list for ease of understanding.] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted:[The Following below] If they shall fall away,[after becoming Elightened] to renew them again unto repentance. 1. tasted of the heavenly gift; and were 2. made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 3. tasted the good word of God; and 4. Tasted the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:4 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Hebrews 6:5 - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:6 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. I hope this helps. Peace be unto you bert10
  21. Did not Jesus Himself who was God-man on the earth; say that we are to do greater works than He did? How do you propose to do greater works than God if one is not Given Godly powers while still in the flesh? Who but Gods can handle the power of heaven in Righteousness? John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Do you expect God gave you this to do without making available the powers and the authority of heaven available to man? There is one caveat in all this. Men must believe on Christ as the Scriptures has said and not what men know and teach today about God. That is why they fail and do not receive the promise below. Here is the condition and the promise given when the condition is fulfilled. John 7:38 - He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. If a man believes on Christ as the scriptures hath said [that is why being taught of God is so important for the scriptures have been tampered with and it is because of this the reason why Christians and all others who relies only on the bible cannot receive this promise] He shall be able to give living waters to others because He will be teaching what God Himself would be teaching. Either ones believe we can rise above the state we are in at the moment or that we do not believe. It is not hard. And so it is decreed in heaven that it shall be done to each according to their faith. What is the vision of your faith? to be servants and slaves or to be inheritors and be joint-heirs with Christ and be glorified together. You choose. that is all I wish to expound on at this time. Peace be unto you bert10
  22. This tread is really great. Only on LDS sites can we find such wonderful treads. Though I usally come here very seldom because I normally post to Philistines. The LDS Treads are a really a breath of fresh air. It feels wonderful comparing to where I was posting. I would like to add one more thing here....When we are thankful for all things which means also all the uncomfortable life experiences, red light, people jumping into line....losing car keys, diseases...etc. It allows the power of God to operate in our life....and the big plus is ...that we are fulfilling the commandment of God to pray always. Because true Gratitude is a prayer. So if we are grateful for good things as well as uncomfortable things in our life...then the whole day ends up to be a prayer unto God. Luke 18:1 - AND he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; ALSO: It helps keep our eye on God at all time....instead of worldly things that brings us both pleasure and pain. Which ends up distracting us from God. I hope this helps...and it also answer why churches fail and fall over time. Peace be unto you bert10
  23. The Story is that we do not become Gods nor are we formed into Gods....for we are already Gods. What we can do however, is lose our inheritance. We are literal seeds of the Father. And as you know all seeds already contain everything within them that is needed for them to develop alike the the parent of the seed. God has given enough example in nature to prove this. This bible verse is LITERALLY TRUE. Psalms 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High. Children of the Most High have the ability to develop into their parents. Because all seeds have within them the Blue print of the parents which conceived it. Those who do not wish to be Literal sons of God shall not be forced to live with the Father. If they instead wish the portion of slaves and servants then that is what they shall receive. They who have been taught of God, and then go on to overcome the world.....are Children of the Most High and shall be inheritors because they shall be Joint Heirs with Christ and shall be glorified together with Him. As the scriptures says. Romans 8:17 - And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. BTW are you Malachi from CARM? I hope that I have answered your question adequately. For there is nothing in the bible that Says....Literal Sons of the Father cannot inherit all that the Father has. All those who are not Sons of the Father as Isaiah stated...cannot become God nor be formed into a God. Because only they who come from what is Eternal can one Day be Called THE ETERNAL as Jesus and the FAther have already this title. Peace be unto you bert10
  24. The Story is that we do not become Gods nor are we formed into Gods....for we are already Gods. What we can do however, is lose our inheritance. We are literal seeds of the Father. And as you know all seeds already contain everything within them that is needed for them to develop alike the the parent of the seed. God has given enough example in nature to prove this. This bible verse is LITERALLY TRUE. Psalms 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High. Children of the Most High have the ability to develop into their parents. Because all seeds have within them the Blue print of the parents which conceived it. Those who do not wish to be Literal sons of God shall not be forced to live with the Father. If they instead wish the portion of slaves and servants then that is what they shall receive. They who have been taught of God, and then go on to overcome the world.....are Children of the Most High and shall be inheritors because they shall be Joint Heirs with Christ and shall be glorified together with Him. As the scriptures says. Romans 8:17 - And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. BTW are you Malachi from CARM? I hope that I have answered your question adequately. For there is nothing in the bible that Says....Literal Sons of the Father cannot inherit all that the Father has. All those who are not Sons of the Father as Isaiah stated...cannot become God nor be formed into a God. Because only they who come from what is Eternal can one Day be Called THE ETERNAL as Jesus and the FAther have already this title. Peace be unto you bert10
  25. I am surprise no one has posted to you an answer yet. Those "feelings" are indeed Biochemicals that can be cause by our Spirit or even be Self Induced. Distinguishing between the two can be hard. One of the ways to distinguish is to learn by the fruits. When one is following those things if it leads to wickedness and a loss of love for men and God then it is the wrong voice. If a person begins to judge men it is also an indication that it is the wrong voice. We all have many voices. The problem is finding the one that is God. And this voice will be the most quietest voice of all. So if a man does not learn to silence all the other voices seeking our attention one cannot hear God. The first thing one needs to do is go into the gospel of Repentance. Repentance is a purification process and it is also a great help...in silencing the voice of Satan. Because those devils....really hate it when a person is repentant and seeking the Spirit of contrition...[Contrition is the ENEMY of PRIDE and all Forms of expressions that comes from the EGO.] RE: God thru Elijah in his cave taught on the Still Small Voice. [OT] And Isaiah also spoke on the voice being the way of Holiness. In addition to this voice, there are dreams, visions, burning heart [bossom], instincts, all kinds of signs, portents and omens. so it is not God's ability to contact is that is lacking but our ability to hear and to discern. Our body of flesh do react to what our Spirit is experiencing. When our Spirit is experiencing great joy, this is translated to our body in various means. [For God is Spirit and also all things of God are Spiritual and sometimes it is manifested as the burning bosom when we are reading or doing something that our Spirit and God highly approves of] Also when our Spirit is so sad by what we do, think and say and it wishes to leave to end its suffering...so do diseases, afflictions follow us until we are unable to continue in our path of wickedness or death ensues. I hope this helps. Peace be unto you bert10