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You are right Palerider about blaming and excuses.....It is human nature to do this... And for this reason it is called the natural man...and the natural man is an enemy of GOD and of His righteousness. As individual we have been empowered thru agency....to bring down heaven on the earth or raise hell on it. Which one do you think we have done? When God demanded of Adam an account...of what happened...He said...it was the women that you gave me...and it was she who gave me to eat. Then God asked Eve what happened....she said that it was not her fault because she was deceived. Then God asked the serpent...and the serpent answered ....Well God you know me it is in my nature to lie and to deceive. However, God did not accept their excuses and everyone received according to the level they were guilty. Peace be unto oyu bert10

Hi Prison-chaplain....You mean to say you've never encountered Christian teaching on the Book of Revelation (no-s, btw )??? How bizarre is that? I taught a class on Revelation that went nearly 3 years. We focused on Jesus, since that is WHO was being revealed. Oh I have heard lots of Christians teaching on the Book of Revelations....that is not what I meant. I was speaking of this promise given by Christ to them who overcome the world.....[The White Stone and New Name is below]. Revelation 2:17 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. In my previous post....I gave out some of the teachings concerning being taught of GOD versus being taught of men. Whether that teacher is a prophet or not....it is still trusting in the arms of the flesh. Jesus taught His Apostles until they too could be taught by the FAther. Peter was the first one to hear the Father in his heart....on the day that he answered the question of Jesus...on whom they thought He was. Only Peter on that day answered correctly. And this is what Jesus said concerning Peter's answer.... Matthew 16:17 - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. It was then at this time...Jesus pronounced those famous words..... Concerning the Rock [corner stone which is REVELATIONS from the HEAVENS] that every builder of churches shall reject. Yes the gates of hell [Illusions, deceptions, lies, forces, principalities rulers of darkness etc] cannot prevail against Matthew 16:18 - And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And also if Christians interpreted the prophecies in the book of revelations correctly....then the Second Coming would not be like a thief in the night. It would not come to pass as Jesus said that should...that it would be Like in the days of the flood where men married and gave in married and only a few were saved. Only the Elect of GOD shall be prepared. And the Elect of GOD are they who are taught of GOD. Everyone is interpreting the bible prophecies according to their wisdom and knowledge. That is why the majority of men...yes even Christians shall not be prepared. For it is written...that prophecies are not of any private interpretation. [2Peter 1:20] As the angel revealed it ....The Lord shall come in the same manner as He ascended. Acts 1:11 - Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Only few souls from the entire nation of the Jews saw Jesus ascend in heaven. And it shall be like this when he comes. And He shall come in like manner as He ascended. Truly Jesus said only a few would be on the Straight way...meaning "One of a city two of a family...[Jeremiah] There is more but the post would be too long. Suffice it to say...that there are some prophecies that have already occurred and people shall be waiting for them to occur when Jesus come. They shall not believe it at first that Jesus has come. Many shall say to the Lord... Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. ------------------------------------------------------- "I'm familiar with CARM. Since you mentioned them, perhaps what you are alluding to is extra-biblical prophecies? If so, you are correct that there are very few Christians, outside of your church, that recognize modern day Prophets, capable of adding to Scripture." It is much more than that.....For in this latter days...which is also called the "Times of the REstitution of all things. The restitutuion of all things includes many lost doctrines and truths. Or else it would not be called the times of the restitution of all things. [Acts 3:21] For some...this bible verse shall be true....but it shall be for all one day...the tribulations has also a purpose [one of many] to remove those who have prevented the Sons and Daughters of GOD to established the kingdom of GOD on the earth. And also men who do not hear GOD in their heart shall be forbidden to teach others on the scriptures. Once the "dammers of the rivers of the 'Living Waters' have been removed...this prophecy shall be true for everyone. Hebrews 8:11 - And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. -------------------------------------------- "I suppose your thrust is a corrective to the perceived over-emphasis of Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists on the Bible. On the other hand, it remains disconcerting to me that some LDS almost seem to demean the Bible, which 1st Timothy claims is indeed given by inspiration of God. Remember too that Protestants, Catholics and LDS all share the Bible as holy canon". One must give the bible to correct respect and viewpoint. The Jews taught that they could find GOD and ETERNAL LIFE in their scriptures...so they rejected the Fountain of Living Waters...because they would look only to their scriptures. HOLY means to be WHOLE. And any persons who truly makes a study of the bible..... knows that the bible is not WHole. That it contains errors even gross errors and that over 93% of the references to documents, epistles, books and sayings that is quoted in the bible itself are simply missing. Men are left to struggle into the darkness and have to make up creeds to fill in the gaps. For example...which Christian can answer me this? 1 Corinthians 11:10 - For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Where does this come from and what is the relationship of Woman Long hair to the Angels? Had the bible being whole [Holy]...it would have said so. It enlightens Genesis - And women would have understood better their roles and powers in relation to men. That is just one example out of many. No documents not even the bible should be read relying on our own wisdom and knowledge. -------------------------------------- "OK, this is new to me. You must be much braver than me. First, I accept the entire Bible as God's word...holy canon, written and compiled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, profitable for correction, rebuke, etc. I do not imagine that, this side of glory, I shall come to the place of not needing the written word of God. The reference above is meant to show that Paul's writing should be a reminder, not brand new instruction. It's not meant to say that when we mature we'll no longer need Scripture." It is hard to imagine isn't it. That men shall walk by revelations instead of by creeds and the teachings of other men. And when men shall need to know something from the past, present, future even the mysteries of GOD they shall be shown by URIM which is the WHITE STONE [white crystal]. I can tell you right now that those who laughed and derided J. Smith saying in their ignorance that he had a peep stone shall have gone to their grave in this state...and at resurrection shall not receive a white stone and a new name. These things are PROMISED only to them who have overcome. You say you have taught on the BOOK of REVELATIONS....have you ever taught this verse below in its full meaning? The promises in Revelations 2:17 are for now. Abram received a new name [Abraham]...so did Jacob [israel] and many others throughout the generations. The URIM was considered very sacred and these men were forbidden from writing on it or claiming that they had one. But we are in the times of the restitution of all things...and I can make these things known to men so that they shall not have any more excuses when they are brought before judgment. The Tribulations cannot come into full force until men reject the fullness of the gospel. Revelation 2:17 - He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi prisonchaplain...that is not what I am getting in my dealings with Christians. I have yet to find even one Christian teaching any part of the hidden manna [book of Revelations]. As far as I know....their attitude is ...if it is not in the bible then it cannot exist nor be true. If you want examples of this just go on CARM and check it out for yourself. Also the bible is not necessarily God's words...they are the prophets words second - third forth hands etc. None of it is based on the original documents. Also Jesus did not write it either. A lot of the stuff that is in the bible are the interpretations of visions, feelings and dreams. Prophets were not dictating machines where God gave them to write word for word. In some cases it was so. But not always. Many of them wrote by URIM AND THUMMIM. God's WORD. Is revelations from the WORD Himself. The heavenly manna that men shall eat and not die.... is what comes from heaven not from the pen of the prophets. Everything that is written in the bible in order to be true for any individual....must be confirmed by the Spirit. There comes a point for an individual....where we do not need that apostles and prophets write to us.... 1 Thessalonians 4:9 - But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. It is written in the prophets. John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Let me know what you think. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi Prison Chaplain and all who shall read this. Perhaps you should use the words of Jesus. John 5:39 - [[YOu]] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. The Scriptures testify of Jesus who is the Spirit of Truth and of Life of men. The bible always testified of Christ....It also point to the way to GOD which is by the Spirit of Truth. Do not be confused and deceived by the teachings of the Christians....Who revere and look to the bible instead of GOD. For I tell you the truth....the BIBLE is not GOD neither can one find GOD in the bible nor can anyone find Eternal Life in it. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi....lds9999 - "for when I am weak, then am I strong". (Paul) Ether 12:27 below is indeed a useful verse. It is well to remember, though, that there are two types of men. The Natural Man and the Spiritual man. Paul also realized this when He thrice asked the Lord to remove his weakness before the time. And Each time the Lord said No. - Then the Light came on...and he exclaimed..."For when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:10 - Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. The Spiritual Man....is a man who has inherited the promises of Eternal Life in the flesh....He has overcome His Weaknesses. This is the last work a man may do. It is not in reforming others...but oneself. For example one of the weaknesses of Moses...is stuttering. And if Moses were to come to anyone....One would see that he does not stutter anymore. John, the Three Nephites who have been allowed to tarry....also has ceased to age, be sick, or have any afflictions. Like the author in Odes of Solomon said....I have received a body free from pain and afflictions. Paul who also exclaimed..."For when I Am weak, then am I strong" also URGED men to this....."Let us go on unto perfection" Hebrews 6:1 - THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Peace be unto you Bert10

Yes....that is the answer to your question. It is impossible to have a true testimony of Jesus Christ without the Spirit of prophecy. All men who have this testimony are prophets. Only they are not called to a mission to the nations as the prophets of old. Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. A Dysfunctional Church is having a prophet or two for the majority. And in a functional Church of God is: that all men are prophets. Numbers 11:29 - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! Peace be unto you bert10

tubaloth - Yes it is amazing isn't it. From my point of view...there are not that easy. It is a little more complex from what people think. God shall allow the light and the darkness to be equally presented before men. It is our choices that determines which path we are setting our feet on. And most are sleep walking and do not know that they are being led by the forces of wickedness. For example did you know that most people pronounce the name of Pagan gods more often than the Name of the Lord in righteousness? Did you know that the days of the week and the months are named after pagan symbology? The deceptions and the illusions of Satan are massive. And only they who pray to have their eyes opened shall be awakened from their sleep. Satan does not need to bother with those who are asleep. They are already being deceived and led down the paths that lead to destruction. To Get to the point where Satan shall appear as an angel of Light or simply come as he is...one has to be Spiritually where Moses was at the time. One of the heavenly laws is that Satan cannot attempt to deceive men and tempt men with powers and forces more than they can be bear. Unless ones gives himself up to Satan or become so wicked...he will not receive revelations from satan. We can only receive revelations from Satan when we are able to distinguish if is from Satan or from God. Also when one has the true Light of Christ one does not loose the light of Christ...one must actively and knowingly chose the darkness over the Light. I hope this help. Peace be unto you bert10

Wanderer - deception? "Oness" is "AT-ONE-MENT" It is also becoming about the "Spiriutal Man" It is the teachings of Jesus about...how a man can be cleaned. John 15:3 - Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. John 15:4 - Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:5 - I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. It is the fulfillment of this prayer of Jesus in us. John 17:20 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. John 17:24 - Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. John 17:25 - O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. John 17:26 - And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. Being Born again is more than a feeling...the fruits from this individual is about overcoming the world. If a man does not overcome the world he is being overcome by it. All men who are truly born again...are becoming the Spiritual man. He is being taught of GOD and not of men. He is overcoming the weaknesses and diseases, and afflictions....He is finding true joy, happiness and prosperity and health. That is what I mean by being deceived by Satan. I know many who have claimed to be born again...who have have no fruits of it...and are still being overcome by the world. Peace be unto you bert10

Oness is to become One with GOD in purpose. [Totally, In Sync with GOD's Will] The At-one-ment to be at one in the moment with GOD occurs when we are being led by the Spirit. This is also called walking in the Light as Christ is in the Light. Those who are led by the Spirit are the true Sons of GOD and because they follow the Spirit of GOD they are not under the law. <> Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. <> Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. This is called walking in the Light as Christ is in the Light....And John revealed to us..how remission works for the ATONEMENT to work. When we walk in the Light [being led by the Spirit] we have true fellowship with each other and with GOD. 1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. This is the Corner Stone of the New and Everlasting Covenant of the FATHER. It is the Corner Stone that every builder has rejected since the days of Enoch. Basically the Atonement is the TRue Testimony of Jesus Christ. And no one can have this testimony except by the Spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. I deal a lot with Christians even those who claimed that they are saved even claim to be born again. And it is frustrating to see them so deceived. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi Tiancum....I do not know if one would consider the following two verses below from Moroni as Grace for works. Perhaps if one thinks of it this way...it would it would help remove the confusion. <>. Grace of God for sinners....is time given them to repent of their sins before wraths comes because of justice. <>.Grace of God for the righteous....is the ability of GOD the Father to see us again as Little Children. Moroni 10:32 - Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. Moroni 10:33 - And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot. Peace be unto you bert10

HI TOMK. My understanding is this. It is mostly about the Lord calling men to repentance All things are based on Spiritual laws. Including wraths and judgments. One of the heavenly laws given to men is this....Where much is given much is required. After the Jews crucified the Lord and rejected the fullness of the gospel the judgment and wrath that followed them was because of this law. The judgments and wraths are increased according to the knowledge of men to the gospel of God. Jesus explained it way..... Many Stripes versus Few Stripes Luke 12:47 - And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:48 - But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. The Times of the Restitution of all things: When the BOM was given to the World....the World started to become accountable before it and GOD. The commandment given is still this: Say nothing but repentance unto this generation; keep my commandments, and assist to bring forth my work, according to my commandments, and you shall be blessed. D&C 6:9 For each man and women, there is a time given for repentance for each sin. If the time has expired and repentance for that sin has not been undertaken then come wrath and judgment because of justice. Wraths,,,,at the personal level, and at the national level. Wraths and judgments are consequences to sins which men have not repented of. These consequences also applies when a people, nation become guilty collectively of the same sins. ------------------------------------------------------- A Loving GOD and Ending Free will. The purposes of Tribulations are for... 1. First calling those who are still not too far gone the path of darkness into repentance. 2. Stopping those who have gone into darkness by deceptions and errors from reaping more than they could bear. 3. They are a judgment for the wicked who have willingly chosen wickedness after hearing or have refused to hear the fullness of Gospel. 4. GOD must remove all those who are preventing men/women from establishing His kingdom on the Earth. 5. They are also Times of testing, for increasing faith and for purification of them who are truly seeking Him. How many will be found worthy to be led to Zion by the Lord? Jeremiah 3:14 - Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Peace be unto you bert10

Well the answers that I will provide...cannot solve individual problems but can arm them with knowledge so that they have something to go to God with. <>Well first of all....one can tell them that a marriage is only dissolved when God says it is. <>Priesthood authority is only valid when men act with it...according to the will of God. <> And in truth God rarely grants a Spiritual divorce. Not even adultery is a valid cause. Because iF we the bride of Christ are sometimes unfaithful in our covenant with Him and expect Him to forgive us. How can one go to God for forgiveness having not forgiven our Spouse for failing their covenant also? For the law is to forgive and where we forgive much, much is also forgiven to us. I did not say one can commit it many times. <> That whatever shall affect another person for eternity must be done according to the will of God or is shall be considered as unrighteous. God does not recognized the authority of anyone acting not according to the will of God. So regardless what men decree on the earth. that may affect the men/women for eternity...again it must be by revelation or else it cannot stand. A separation [putting away] is not the same as a divorce. PEace be unto bert10

We LDS are different than the world because we have been given more on the Godhead than the world has. When did the Scribes and Pharisees and others really understood the Gospel of The Father?.....When did they not kill the prophets whom were sent to them? Before I continue...God spelled in this fashion means...the Son. And GOD spelled in this fashion...means the FATHER. Both words means....Good and GOOD. The God of the OT is Jesus. Only in those days...He was first known as Almighty then as Jehovah. Both Names are revelations on His nature. Exodus 6:3 - And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Did not the Almighty in the Torah claimed to be the God of Abraham and the Creator of all things? And does not Jehovah make this claim also? And then if one goes to the gospel of John....Which clearly states that it was the WORD who made all things in heaven and the earth and all things in the world. Then we are told that the Word was made flesh. And So now we know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was Jesus. Jesus acted in the Name of the Father in relation to us. Because neither we nor the fallen world can abide the glory of the Father. For nothing impure, sinful, or guilty can come into the presence of the Father. And it is this understanding of the Godhead and of other doctrines that makes us different and sets us apart. The people of the Lord shall always be peculiar and far from the knowledge and wisdom of the world. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi - Shell72; First let me say....that It is okay to disagree to what I say. All I have to do is give what I know. My responsibility ends there and God begins. There are degrees to sin and so there are degrees to damnation. Just as there are degrees to righteousness. Grace of God is applied according to the individual, according to righteousness and justice. Where does it say in the bible that God is not just? John 19:11 - Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. Matthew 23:14 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. And some more on Grace. What Moroni 10:32 and 33 is describing Walking in the Light as Christ is in the Light. Moroni 10:32 - Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. Remember my former post? on Who are little children? they are they who have known the Father. for only they who have known the Father are given to Christ for purifying and perfecting.......and these shall become perfected in Christ thru Grace. [The ability of God to see us AGAIN as little children] Moroni 10:33 - And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot. Now John has also taught on the shedding of Christ blood and when it shall cleanse us. 1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. And lastly....Little Children are of GOD. 1 John 4:4 - Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than He that is in the world. ------------------------------------------- Cain was not forgiven for He had not repented and neither could he restore the life of Abel. The killing was not an accident but premeditated.There is no forgiveness of God for pre-meditated murder in this world. ---------------------------------------------- The best example I can give you is David...who had Uriah his faithful general murdered so that he could get Bathsheba David knew the law....and Knew that his soul would go to hell no matter how much repentance he did here on the earth. However, he did received a promise that he should not stay in hell forever. Psalms 16:9 - Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. Psalms 16:10 - For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. The Apostles did teach this also, even though it is not in the NT..for they said....in Acts 2:29 that David after the resurrection of Christ did not rise with the ancients prophets and righteous patriarchs. Many after the resurrection began to check the tombs of the prophets and patriarchs to see who had risen from those who had not. Acts 2:29 - Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. The grace of God does not relieve men from having to restore the wrong they do to their neighbors. If by some action a man puts himself beyond this....He cannot be forgiven in this life here on the earth. And if the Sin is Spiritual then he cannot be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come. again as for Moroni 10:32 and 33. And also the gospel of John....It shows how GOD respond with Grace to our 'attitude'. I hope this helps. Peace be unto you bert10

I have learned that Grace of GOD is applied differently for the sinners and for the righteous. Grace of GOD for sinners......Is time given to repent before Justice demands judgments. For each sin God gives a person an allotted time to repent - Before the consequence of that sin impacts his life. Grace of GOD for the righteous...The ability of GOD to see us as Little Children. Jesus did inherit this ability calling many children. I would like to give a bit on this. Who are considered as little Children? John has spoken on this. 1...Fathers: because ye have known him [[Jesus]]that is from the beginning 2...Young Men: because ye have overcome the wicked one. 3...Little Children: because ye have known the Father. 1 John 2:13 - I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. Jesus did say unless we become as Little chidlren [who have known the Father] we shall not enter into His kingdom. I hope this helps. Peace be unto you bert10

Yellow Light why are you seeking answers from men? The Father Himself wishes you to learn and be taught of Him so that He can give you to Christ. John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of GOD. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Perhaps GOD has brought you to this crisis so that you would come to rely on Him for your teachings and answers. His Son has revealed and given us Heavenly promises concerning Asking, Seeking and Knocking. Trusting in the arms of the flesh. Moses tired of carrying Israel on His shoulders....one day said... Numbers 11:29 - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! Now take courage if you have a true testimony of Jesus Christ you already have this Spirit for this testimony cannot come to you except by the Spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. The sooner you begin to learn to hear God in your heart...the sooner this day shall come. There will come a day....where men shall shall not teach their neighbors or brothers saying.... to each other Know the Lord.... Hebrews 8:11 - And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. I hope this helps Peace be unto you bert10

Tiancum - What makes a person wicked? Not all people who are wicked are evil. We must cease to judge people, we can judge only their actions which are their fruits. A person who is wicked....simply means a person who is in a Crooked path versus the path which is straight and narrow. A person in a Crooked path shall do wickedness no matter how good he is trying to be. For the end of his path leads to death. Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: What makes a person wicked?......Walking in a Crooked path. It is only when he repents and chooses to walk the Straight and Narrow by hearing God in his heart....can he become a righteous man in the eyes of God. Most people are wicked because they are deceived by their pride, worldly knowledge and wisdom. They are many honorable people who try to do good. But because they are in crooked paths [false religions, errors of doctrines etc] they end up in the end doing wickedness in the eyes of God. Many things that the world perceives as being good and righteous is the opposite in the eyes of God. An Evil person is one who is not deceived and knows what he is doing is wrong and keeps doing it. Keeping the commandments of God is not a guarantee that we are not walking in wickedness...because if we keep the commandments of God by the letter of the law instead of by the Spirit we shall fail. I know what I have posted may be strange and none have posted this yet. But once you reflect on it....you will find that I have given you the truth. Without the Spirit of judgment attending us...we are not to judge another person as being evil. For each one of us have been given a portion of the Spirit of Christ and a judgment on another person is also a judgment on the Spirit of Christ that is in that individual. Remember what you do, think and say against your neighbors is also doing it to God. Many are deceived and do great wickedness and evil in their lives even in the Name of God. - But that does not make them wicked nor evil. The overall answer to your question is this..... Everyone who is not a son of perdition does wickedness and evil out of ignorance and being deceived. Because if men were to be confronted by the fullness of the light of God only the sons of perdition would choose to do darkness. If the Spirit says that such and such is wicked it is because this person has been showed the correct path and for some reason or other has chosen to not take it and remain in his crooked path. Peace be unto you bert10

Yes it is possible....only it is not Erotic love nor Romantic Love the that gospel is alluding to here. The Greeks refer to different types of love that the English language has. Unconditional Love..... As best as I can describe it briefly. It is more like a deep understanding That goes into acceptance, compassion and mercy and forgiveness for all things that anyone does. And this is Called "unconditional love" This love enables one to understand, love and forgive their enemies even when he is being persecuted unto death. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi Prisonchaplain.... Please correct me if I miss-quote you. Also I kinda see things way different than most folks. So bear with me. 1. You stated that speaking in tongues is the initial physical evidence of Spirit-baptism. Okay...let us assume that God gives this gift to everyone who ask....When does one progress to the other gifts? After all Christianity has been around for the Last 1700 years. And not even a small congregation has been able to be translated into heaven yet under its teaching. ----------------------------------------------- 2. "Which is why we test interpretations and prophecies against the already established words of God. Also, you can't counterfeit something if there is not authentic gift." Now this is what I know, one of the reason why Christ will come like a thief in the night for everyone except the Elect. Is for this reason. Private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. All prophecies must be interpreted by the Spirit of prophecy. And all those who have a true testimony of Jesus Christ has this Spirit for the testimony of Jesus is of this Spirit. Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Because men in general shall have privately interpreted the prophecies by their wisdom and knowledge so...when Jesus comes...it will be quite a surprise..because the Lord said that they will be marrying and giving in marriage. That it would be like in the day of Noah...when only 8 of the whole world were prepared. Because only Noah received the Revelations.Do not believe? In Jeremiah the Lord prophesied...that he would lead to Zion only One of city two of a family. How few is that? Jesus said that few there be would find the straight and narrow way. The reason why we need the Spirit of prophecy..is because Prophecies can have multiple fulfillments as well as the meaning of the symbology changed and have already been done fulfilled unnoticed by the world. Such as for example...Elijah having already come as it was prophesied. - One of the reasons why the Jews cannot believe their Messiah has already come because they are still awaiting this prophecy below to be fulfilled. Malachi 4:5 - Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: They shall still be waiting for this prophecy to occur when they shall say to Jesus... Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Elijah has already come and delivered the keys of his dispensation. -------------------------------------------- "Do you not believe in the gift of healing? If so, perhaps the existence of a few counterfeits ought to encourage us that the real thing is available." Yes I do, the Lord has been good to me. I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit, including in: tasting of the heavenly gift, made partakers of the Holy Ghost, have tasted the good word of God even in the powers of the world to come. Hebrews 6:4 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Hebrews 6:5 - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:6 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Peace be unto you bert10

japacific;192233]Why not? 1. Please remember that when God said..."and he will rule over you" was after the transgression. 2. That Adam is both Mother and Father as well as Husband to Eve since Eve is the Rib of Adam. 3. That God went first to Adam for an account of what happened. 4. Our gender weaknesses are even more magnified in the fall. 1 Timothy 2:14 - And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. I hope this helps...understand that these measures are for the fall. Now what is not taught.... THE BIBLE: Genesis Concerning Genesis. Remember that the Lord only allowed Moses to give the people a very brief account of the events. How much of the sacred truth could God give a Stiff- necked, unbelieving and Rebellious people without having to destroy them completely for failing to heed the truth? So God could only give them a portion [milk] of the truth... Here is a thought....Women unlike men do not need the Melchizedek priesthood in order to be re-admitted into the presence of the Father. Is it because they already have theirs from their heavenly Mothers since birth? Which woman has been denied the power that flows from faith? - Simply because they do not have the Melchizedek priesthood! Peace be unto you bert10

PrisonChaplain. "Bottom-line: No church that I'm aware of, only makes room for the gift of tongues to operate." That is not exactly what I was saying. Many Christians have professed to me that they are are in the correct church because many have the gift of tongues. When I ask them about the other gifts.....nothing. The point I was making...that the display of Tongues only.....is a sign that the congregation is being deceived. For God does not give everyone the same gift. To get back to tongues.....The interpretation can also be given by Satan. Also, is it not weird how Televangelists who do all kinds of healing on TV except those who are missing limbs? ----------------------------------------------------------- And thanks to the BOM we have a little bit more on this. Moroni 10:17 - And all these gifts come by the Spirit of Christ; and they come unto every man severally, according as he will. Moroni 10:18 - And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember that every good gift cometh of Christ. Moroni 10:19 - And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember that he is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that all these gifts of which I have spoken, which are spiritual, never will be done away, even as long as the world shall stand, only according to the unbelief of the children of men. -------------------------------------------------- And Again here the Lord Reveals more on how this is suppose to work. D&C 46:10 - And again, verily I say unto you, I would that ye should always remember, and always retain in your minds what those gifts are, that are given unto the church. D&C 46:11 - For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God. D&C 46:12 - To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby. D&C 46:13 - To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world. D&C 46:14 - To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful. D&C 46:15 - And again, to some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know the differences of administration, as it will be pleasing unto the same Lord, according as the Lord will, suiting his mercies according to the conditions of the children of men. D&C 46:16 - And again, it is given by the Holy Ghost to some to know the diversities of operations, whether they be of God, that the manifestations of the Spirit may be given to every man to profit withal. I think....If all Christians would read and believe the BOM they would not be so deceived by the false teachings of men. I hope this helps. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi Hizwife. ""When and how do I get to see Jesus face to face?" Here is your answer: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. - Revelation 2:17 ----------------------------------------------------- How do I get to heaven? You already are in heaven. It is at this time at the bottom. For example.... Paradise is in the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2 - I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven. I am thinking you mean how do you get to live with the FATHER? - See the above answer on overcoming the world. --------------------------------------------------- "What does it take to know Jesus Christ and have Him as my Lord ? " John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Peace be unto you bert10

Perhaps this will help. In a sense, it is always the Father who does the work since He is the source of all things. In this post I will address that..but also much more. Just take it as information that is neither correct nor incorrect. Because such information is bound to be rejected if I try to give to those who are not ready. John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. When we are righteous as Enoch, Elijah, Moses we can do the works of these men. Because we are given what is the will of the Father....and the Father can allow His power to flow thru us without destroying us. In other words think of is as us being antennaes. If we are not matched perfectly to the frequency then both the reception and the transmission suffers. Whether the work of Creation was done by the hand of Jesus, and Micheal and others. It does not matter. For the power, the glory and the kingdom belongs to the Father. And it is the Father that does the work thru us. See the prayer of Jesus...on Our Father who art in heaven.... Almighty and Jehovah:. -- So let us agree that the ancients addressed God first as Almighty then as Jehovah. Exodus 6:3 - And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Now that we know more about the God of the OT that created the heavens the earth..let us see what John Revealed concerning this God. Noticed the way I spelled God instead of GOD. John 1:1 - IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 - The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:4 - In him was life; and the life was the light of men. The Word was with God and we are revealed that all things were made by the Word and not one thing that exist was made without Him. And John further revealed that it was the Word who was made flesh which we know as Jesus. Now we cannot have both the Almighty and Jehovah and Jesus as the Word claim to have made the heavens and the earth unless they are all the Being. God does reveal His Nature to us so that we can begin to know Him. We know God as Lord, Counselor, Helper, Immanuel, the Eternal etc. Each of these sliver of truths is for our edification. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet, The Father is the source for Love, power, authority, wisdom, knowledge etc. The Light of God contains all of these things and more. This Light of God fills the every bit of the fabric called space. In fact it is also the Fabric. I do not wish to go much deeper into this... the point I wish to make is that Righteousness and priesthood authority allows men to possess and to use this power according to the will of the Father. Since the knowledge and wisdom and power originates from the Father....it is still the Father doing the works. Whether the man calls Himself Jesus or Enoch or Elijah... ------------------------------------------------------ This stuff relates more with the gospel of perfection rather than the Gospel of Repentance. And the Apostles were forbidden from giving much of it in their days. For Jesus mission is also the mission of the Apostles and even today of the LDS. To call men unto repentance. Paul also said concerning this...."Howbeit we SPEAK [Given orally and not written down] - wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 1 Corinthians 2:6 Jesus said we would do greater works: John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. How can a man do greater works than Jesus if he is not given the knowledge, wisdom and the power to do it? ---------------------------------------------------- John and Paul did include a lot of it. Even some of it was in the OT. Only it went unnoticed by those who read it. 1 Samuel 14:29 - Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been en-light-ened, because I tasted a little of this honey. Luke 11:36 - If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. When Moses was with God he was neither tired, nor hungry nor thirty for Light was sustaining Him and when He came down such as was the Light in Moses...that he shone for 3 days. Exodus 34:35 - And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him. Had it not been for his mission to Israel Moses would have been bodily translated into heaven having being raised in glory before the Lord as Enoch and Elijah had done before him. Let no man think that he can command mountains and rivers like Enoch or the Seas and plagues like Moses, or raise the dead back to life, like Elijah and Jesus if he is not filled full of light himself. For no man having darkness in his soul can handle the power of Creation, or of healing or of miracles like the patriarchs and even that of Jesus and then go on to do greater works than Jesus if he is not fully EN-Light-ened. There is a lot of stuff in this post...Perhaps more than should be given. But we are in the days of the Restitution of all things. I do not expect anyone to accept it. neither can anyone who is not ready for it. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi The Lutheran It is in the bible also. Jesus always acted under the direction of the Father. We have the words of Jesus Himself. The Father is greater than the Son. John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Jesus Himself admitted that His Father was Greater even of Himself. And even added this.....in one of His Teachings - Clearly teaching that He is being directed by the FATHER. John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. ----------------------------------------------------- There are verses that show the interaction of the Father in respect to the Son. And the meaning is clear. The Father directs the Son as in this NT verse quoted from the Original in the OT. Also please Notice here when the words 'LORD' or 'GOD' all Caps, means the Father. The words 'God', 'Lord' spelled in this manner means the Son. The bible does not always accurately depict the correct personage when the words 'God, GOD, Lord and LORD are used.' Below it is used correctly, the Father is telling His Son to sit on His POWER side and to be patient until he makes all His enemies thy footstool. Matthew 22:44 - The LORD [FATHER] said unto my Lord, [Jesus] Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Psalms 110:1 - A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. You now have at least two witnesses that depicts Jesus and the Father as two Beings....and that the Father is Greater than Jesus. Also It is the Father who directs Jesus to sit at the RIGHT HAND OF The FATHER. You now can no longer deny this truth without facing a penalty in the afterlife. P/S The Next in line for Authority and Power always sits at the Right Hand side of the king. The left side of God, is called the Glory Side. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi Tomk. - "I would give my left arm to find-out why this was not 'abridged-out' of the Book of Mormon" I would be careful of my words and thoughts...for it is often done to men according to their thoughts and words. "But behold, I of myself am a wicked man" Because, that Expression does contain a wealth of information that is most useful. The worth of it is great indeed. And I would like to share some of my thoughts with you on this. "But behold, I of myself am a wicked man" - This term applies to all of us when we are not led by the Spirit of God. Also please note In this sense "wicked" is not meant as in "Evil". Only in the meaning that one walks in one's OWN path instead of that of God. Wickedness is Crooked Paths. These are the paths we pick to walk on by relying on the wisdom and knowledge of the flesh. These Paths normally look beautiful and the vast majority are walking in it, they are wide and full of ease. That kind of path is not the way of Holiness [isaiah] or the Straight and Narrow way [Jesus]. It is the path that world is on and as Jesus said it is wide and it LEADS to destruction -DEATH [eventually] However, when we let go of the world and what it thinks and teaches...a most wonderful thing begins to happen to us. There are many blessings in listening to God in our hearts......but these two below are amongst the top of the list. Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. When we are led by the Spirit we are fulfilling the two commandments of Jesus [Love of God and Love of neighbors] and so we fulfill the law and the prophets automatically. For there are no higher commandments than these two. Peace be unto you bert10 Omni 1:2 Wherefore, in my days, I would that ye should know that I fought much with the sword to preserve my people, the Nephites, from falling into the hands of their enemies, the Lamanites. But behold, I of myself am a wicked man, and I have not kept the statutes and the commandments of the Lord as I ought to have done. I would give my left arm to find-out why this was not 'abridged-out' of the Book of Mormon. On the outside it would seem to serve no purpose to either take the time to include this statement in the first place, or leave it there in the finished record.