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Unfortunately Christians focus too much on the outside meaning of the Name of Jesus Christ. We cannot let their false doctrines and imaginations on what is right infect our services. True there should be at times some mention of His NAme when the Spirit thinks that this is the right moment. It is the nature and mind of Christ we need to put on and adopt. And they who will put it on will manifest it in their talks and actions we have no need to mention His name too often as we open and close all our church activities asking and thanking the Father in the Name of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:16 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ Let us hope to exercise faith to receive the exceeding and great promises and thereby be partakers of the divine nature. 2 Peter 1:4 - Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. Bert10

I don't think I would notice what shoes you are wearing. God has blessed me of being oblivious of things like that unless I make it a point for study or to see where the congregation stands. The inner man is judged by GOD because GOD knows the motive. Just because a man buys 400.00 shoes, does not means he will go out and buy a 2000.00 suit. IF he is a vain man...he will care what people think and go out and buy a suit to match his shoes. Also we can justify by logic any wickedness, we all know the stories of the Nephites, in their manners concerning clothes and wealth and which one of them did not justify themselves of their behaviour before GOD? We are on a slippery slope...Sometimes just check out what people uses as vehicles and how they dress and what jewels they wear. At church we can practically see who are doctors, CEOs, dentists, lawyers from the blue collars and then on to the poor by the type of clothes the families wear. Funny things, the rich ones...they do not seem to sit in the back. I wear simple and plain clothes. I buy of the rack even if I can afford a little better. Because of my example, I would hope that no one in my family worry about expensive clothes for themselves, nor cares too much what others are wearing. I do not point the finger at any individual but am speaking generally. bert10

I am seeing here some of the same excuses that the Christians are using in rejecting the BOM. There is only light and darkness and the law is...if it teaches us to do good and love God and our neighbors then it is of GOD. And false prophets which are of Satan, would never do this. Instead they would deny Christ the Son of GOD and the Love of GOD. Of course the Story of Jareneck parallels the BOM...as all the stories of the people of GOD in every land would do so. Every people of GOD have risen and received greater commandments only to fall into darkness and destruction. This theme will be repeated in many of the books. In the coming troubles communication and travels between lands will be nearly impossible, so a city of Zion will be built up in every land. Which will be a place of refuge for them who will wish to come out of Babylon. One does not have to accept nor reject the information concerning the Book of Jeraneck as it involves the land of Brittan. The Lord has given us two ways by which we may know the truth for ourselves without having to resort to prejudice. We are to judge as the Spirit lead us and by the fruits. Jesus once said to His Apostle who were protesting a man doing miracles...if he is not against us...then he is for us. Matthew 7:17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 1 John 4:2 - Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God 3 John 1:11 - Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God I am not saying here to believe the Book of Jeraneck nor to disbelieve it. The onus is on and up to every individual to find out for themselves...since it is given by the testimony of two. Whether a person say that B.Young was not a prophet or not does not change the teachings of B.Young. And rules above do help us determine what is of GOD and what isn't. bert10

I was not a convert when I first watched exorcism when it came out. And it did scare some of my friends. It was partly based on a real exorcist, except it was a boy. So strong was the boy that he actually broke the Arm of a monk. The Apostles also had a rude awakening when they tried to exorcised a really strong demon...they got beaten up and chased out of the house. Jesus said that the kind of demon they were up against could not be cast out except by faith and fasting. Exorcising devils had been a Catholic expertise at one time. bert10

Read what GOD said by way of the haughty daughters of Zion. It is interesting that many things that is listed has come back. One can use it as a dress code. Isaiah chapter 3. Costly apparel does not only stroke the Ego [Pride] it is also grinding the nose of those who are poor. We have to be careful what we do and really question our motives. And if our motives are just and still we see that we are grinding the nose of the poor...then we cease to do it. Costly Apparel...there is a big difference between buying off the rack and buying things that cost many times what regular people wear. I know I can get a good suit for less than $ 400.00 that would include shoes and shirt and tie. I hope this helps. However, we should not judge the liberty of oters by our own conscience. We should let the Spirit do the judging concerning individual cases. bert10

It is written men shall be judged on their works. It is not written that men shall be condemned because they did not have their ordinances done. Now Hitler will have the chance to reject those ordinances and also to reject repentance in Spirit prison....and if he does. Once the Lord calls a halt to the plan of Salvation there will be no place left for Anyone who does not repent to go except to the outer darkness mentioned by Jesus. The final fate of Hitler will be determined on what he did by a just GOD. Everything is factored in and GOD does not miss a thing. bert10

Just make it a one liner...And then say Amen. bert10

She may want out of the marriage. But the law is what God has Joined together let no man put asunder. If she has any consideration for GOD...then teach her the law. Even if she gets a earthly divorce, it is no guarantee that GOD in heaven will put her marriage asunder. What people forget when they go to divorce is the Spiritual component of the Marriage which only GOD decides if it is to be severed or not. When it is the Lord will let the husband know. Judges, governments, justice of the peace have no authority over GOD and their decrees concerning divorce has not the power to unseal in heaven. Unconditional Love is at first an act of will...and with time..as a Man/woman thinketh in his/her heart so are they. In other words if we think Love we become it. And we cease to worry about what is in it for me. For unconditional love is a giving love. It is the same kind of Love that Christ has for us. It is written that this love is patient, and it heals, does not seek to control and passeth knowledge. The law is that a man will cleave only to his wife. In this day an age we are become a wicked and adulterous generation as people divorce each other and marry others because they blame their spouse for being unhappy which is the result of Conditional Love which God has called Darkness. Because this love comes with fears and as it is written with fear comes torments. And is not hell a place where people have torments? The choice is ours. We can bring down heaven on the earth or we can choose to raise hell on it. bert10

Rebellion is asserting one's will over GOD. How much more in error can one be to think that the way of righteousness is one's will? Lost of knowledge of GOD is Ignorance. But before this can happen one has to separate himself from GOD then go into Sin. Isaiah has revealed by iniquities we separate ourselves from GOD and when we sin GOD turns his face so that He does not hear us. This is always the pattern before men go into full rebellion from GOD. The Scriptures are for the blind and deaf. And they only point to the way. The Nephites needed the scriptures because they had the same rebellious Spirit that their forefathers had. They needed to law of Moses...and the purpose of the law of Moses was to condemn them if they did not go into the gospel of perfection.... Lehi did finally enter into the rest of the Lord... which was after his son had done so. WE can speak of it if you wish, and it can be shown both in the bible and in the book of Mormon what was the purpose of the Law of Moses and the Spiritual law. As Paul said...to them who were mature...you need not more scriptures but you yourself are taught of GOD. And it is prophesied that the day will come when no man shall say to His brother and neighbor know the Lord for they shall all know him from the least to the greatest. Scriptures is necessary for them who cannot bear meat. The Scriptures and the law are a schoolmaster unto Christ. We cannot follow both the Scriptures and The voice of GOD in our heart at the same time. Because the voice of GOD trumps everything that is written from the past. bert10

With the brass plates...The Nephites still fell into ignorance and disbelief. Only it took a little longer. What do you think will be different in the Millennium? The new and everlasting covenant is hearing GOD in ones heart. The people will begin to understand the difference between eating from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and will cease to do it and learn to eat from the tree of life. I ask, seek a knock a lot. I have learned much, and I need to learn more. However, the only difference between Nephites of the past the Newness of the people of GOD is that...they will have learn to leave judging others to GOD and to walk by the Spirit. John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 1 Thessalonians 4:9 - But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. The scriptures cannot advise us moment by moment in our decision making because it is impossible for it to cover all possibilities. bert10

Twort ...this was given to a people who would not repent. They were not even searching for God or his ways, they were pervading the ways of Righteousness...By Isaiah the Lord once said to ISrael.... Isaiah 1:5 - Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. Isaiah 1:6 - From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment. Isaiah 1:7 - Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers Those who are seeking repentance God will show them the way and heaven will help them, The added bonus in Repentance is that Satan hates it and can't stand it. So repentance keeps the Satan away. But for them that who head is sick, and the whole heart faint, the whole body is sick and cannot be healed...and when a people is so far gone into error...then as a last measure GOD will enlarge their wounds etc. Which will either bring them to repentance or to the grave. The law of heaven is the more one is given the more it is required of us. bert10

You are right on a lot of points. Those who have gone to the other side will mostly stay there unless they are sent on specific mission. All works of Salvation on the earth must be done by men of flesh and blood. Jesus could not do it from heaven...And so put on flesh to do the work....for this was decreed in heaven. We will have a say in things while on the earth. But once the will of GOD is made manifest to us...there will be left only two things.... obedience or rebellion. The Quorums work is not to decide who will be its president and councilors, but how to go about to manifest the will of GOD once we know it. We will not be working at cross purpose with each other nor will we be in each other way. For if we all hear GOD how can anything be done contrary to His will. bert10

The best translation is hearing it first hand by the Holy Ghost. We are in the days...when those prophecies concerning for men to be taught of GOD instead of men be amongst us. We are now in the days where it is not necessary for some...to be told know the Lord .....and the day will soon be here...when no man shall say to his brother and neighbor know the Lord for they shall all know Him from the least to the greatest. Moses once said...Would GOD that all the people were prophets that GOD would put His Spirit on all the people. bert10

I deal with Christians and their Scriptures all the time...and their biblical translations from so called Scholars are horrendous. And the book of Bert says: And this is from a country where yesterday snowstorm as affected on 1 on 3 citizens. The Lord's warning for repentance are increasing in the USA and why is that? Does it have to get as bad as Australia? bert10

Fear paralyzes and faith is power to move. How many times does God warn men to not fear? Is it not written that without faith that it is impossible to please GOD? Have you read the scriptures that fear cannot exist with Love and has torments attached to them? That without Love one cannot be made perfect and we cannot have boldness in the day of Judgment. 1 John 4:17 - Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Perfect love casteth out fear...and if we have fears it is impossible we have perfect love. And fear hath torment. And where does one find torment? To have torments: is to be in hell. One does not have to die to be in hell. We make our own hell or heaven by our choices. Matthew 8:29 - And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Jesus lived a life of perfection as an example to them that loved Him. To them Jesus said in Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. <> He wasn't kidding when he gave that commandment and He also gave men the faith and hope that they can fulfill it. The blind and the wicked teach that we cannot fulfill this commandment. <> "Entering into the Rest of the Lord" I believe this was the "Promise Hitherto Unknown" that President Benson in the eighties tried to teach the LDS. In his last year he did not teach on this anymore. For the Lord had commanded him to cease. The LDS were not listening. Entering into the Lord's rest is given here in Hebrew. : one has to hear the voice of GOD in our hearts. Hebrews 3:7 -Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: Hebrews 3:9 - When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Hebrews 3:10 - Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. Hebrews 3:11 - So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) How fear kept Isreal from becoming the Light of the World. When the Lord brought Israel to Mount Sinai...He ordered the people to cleanse themselves for three days in preparation to meet their GOD. GOD was already in the top of the mountain. There was a ring of fire and it rumble and there was the sound of the trumps. As they got nearer to the mountain... their fears and lack of trust in GOD just kept growing. As they got nearer...the rumblings and shakings of the mountain with the fire got more ominous. And they could not get anymore near it...their fears got the better of them...and they all ran away from their GOD. You see all the miracles that were performed for them were acts of nature and did not give them the faith necessary to endure and trust that God would save them. They murmured after each miracle and threatened to take the life of Moses. Then they said to Moses to go and get the words of GOD and the promised to obey them. Of course they could not obey the laws perfectly no one can. They would not learn that there is no substitution than hearing GOD in ones heart. That it is always better to walk by counsels then by commandments. Because if we fail a counsel the penalty is not as great as actually breaking a commandment. And the commandments came written on a Stone Tablet which made the commandments as hard, and rigid and unyielding as a stone. And in the following months ISrael received about 600 commandments, statutes etc. As you can see how fear can stop spiritual growth even of a whole nation...it is a sin For GOD said fear not many times. As for you lion example...by faith Daniel walked amongst them unharmed even when they were starving. bert10

Bible Scholars are the modern day Scribes. They are are much in error as the scribes were in the days of Jesus. Job was a real person. Perhaps the Era is in error, but nevertheless if one listen in his heart...he will know that it is a real account. bert10

To rule by common consent which is UNITY OR ONENESS...can only happen when we hear the voice of GOD in our hearts. Our leaders are as always are called and chosen by GOD....according to the will of GOD. Personally I do not care on how the will of GOD will manifest itself amongst us...what is left after it is made known...is obedience or rebellion. I am sure there is good advice in the links above. However, the LDS at this time is even less able to establish Zion then they were in the days of J. Smith. After the Lord cleanses the church then we will be ready to hear and obey Him in all things. bert10

Read the account yourself and reflect on it...It is God who initiate the conversation with Satan and points Job out...and Satan then reacts..from the point of view of darkness. That Job only acts righteous because he is afraid of GOD. Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:7 - And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:8 - And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:9 - Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Read the entire account several time remembering...this teaching 1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. To have torments is to be in hell. Many on this earth are already in hell by their fears they have raised hell on this earth. It is time that people learn to bring down heaven on it instead of raising hell on it. The light dawns on Job eventually...as he realizes.... Job 3:25 - For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Job 3:26 - I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came. David in Psalms speak a great truth by the Spirit....Job was not at this level of faith yet. For he had fears. Psalms 23:4 - Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. By allowing Satan to give to Job everything He feared...God allowed Job to be able to live a life of love without fears. Again it is written a man cannot be made perfect if he has fears. Which is also called darkness. Fears is the opposite of faith. Faith is action...and fears is a paralyzing force and it also pervert and confuse the right way of GOD. Yes, it is Light or darkness. If a man or woman goes into the grave with a spot on their garment...they shall rise with that same spot. There is no substitution for victory.. One of the reasons why we are here on the earth is to subjugate the lust of the flesh to the Spirit of GOD. The natural will be destroyed and it shall not enter into the kingdom of GOD for the natural man is an Enemy of GOD and His righteousness. bert10

Many are teaching worldly wisdom which is foolishness. If one knows that there is no such things as Accidents and luck of the draw...that God has never given permission for mental problems or diseases that one has....is in denial of a GOD who is powerfull and all knowing. This is also part of the good news. We are all given or allowed to receive what is GOOD FOR US. Even Mental problems are for our good. The flesh always follow after the Spirit. Remember the Spirit came first then the flesh and then the two are reunited to be one in the Spirit. There is nothing that cannot be made better with the priesthood blessing when they are given by men of faith. This is the good news. The woes that comes into our lives can be made better or entirely removed according to our faith. Bipolar is a hard thing to deal with. Praise and thank GOD for loving you enough to let you have this. For if men are not chastised they are not GOD's. Do not confuse chastisement and punishment, they are not exactly the same. The first is before Judgment and the other is after judgment. Normally which is not always...when a judgment is pronounced it is not removed. As for your Spiritual state, do not give up on it. Read and understand Hebrews chapter 6:4-6 concerning falling after tasting of the things of the Spirit Also I will put down what Alma said.... Alma 39:6 - For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness. Alma 39:7 - And now, my son, I would to God that ye had not been guilty of so great a crime. I would not dwell upon your crimes, to harrow up your soul, if it were not for your good. Alma 39:9 - Now my son, I would that ye should repent and forsake your sins, and go no more after the lusts of your eyes, but cross yourself in all these things; for except ye do this ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. Oh, remember, and take it upon you, and cross yourself in these things. So do not give up. Cheer up, Where there is life we can have a vision of the thing we want...then follows hope and after this comes faith and works. bert10

It would well if you understood what happened with Job from a little higher point of view. Job was not perfect in love..because He had fears. In the NT we are given that love and fear cannot co-exist together. God tricked Satan into giving Job everything he had feared his whole life. First of when Satan came in with the Sons of God...the LORD pointed out Job to Satan by extolling him. And Satan took this as a challenge and rose and took the bait. And God said to Satan...that he could do all things to Job except take his life. And when these things happened to Job....He exclaimed...The thing that I greatly feared is upon me. Job fears became a reality...not only did he face them now that they were upon him, he overcame his fears by faith and thrust in GOD. After his trials...Job was made perfect in Love and as a True Son of GOD entered into the Lord's rest. For GOD restored Job to a greater height than he had before the trials. Even his daughters were said to be the fairest of the land. Was Job free to sin? No. He would have first to break the bands of righteousness that he had girded himself with throughout his life. Could Job sin if he wanted to? yes. After he had broken the bands of righteousness. IT is also the same reason why a wicked man cannot do Good until he has broken the bands of wickedness by repentance. Can a wicked man do good? Eventually, Yes if he chooses to first to repent. The righteousness of our actions and thoughts and words that come out of us at this very moment is based on Repentance and after walking in the Spirit. God said when sin is conceived in our hearts...it must bear fruit. So whatever we plant in our garden with intent and desire will bear fruit over time. And the fruit of wickedness is always bitter though it may look beautiful. As an Example Adultery is never an accident. It has to have been conceived in the heart first. An Adulterous heart is necessary before the act can occur. bert10

Of laws, commandments and counsels. ..."for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem." That is how it is going to work. And that is how it would have worked in J. Smith day had he succeeded in establishing zion. Just as there is no voting today who are to be set over us...The vote that we have is to accept the will of GOD concerning our leaders or not. So will it be in Zion. There is no voting from below who are going to be set over us. The only vote we have is to assent or dissent when the time comes. If we are dissenters...then we will be asked why. Just like the Angels in heaven dissented from the plan of GOD and after a period of time...did not awakened nor came to their senses were deemed rebellious. Who will sit at the right hand of Jesus? What did Jesus say...that we can vote on it ....or did He say that place is reserved to whomever the Father will designate. Heaven works best when the right person is at the right place at the right time. God has that information, and His appointments are for the best of all. bert10

Democracy is the best system for fallible men. The Leaders if they wish to be Elected must promise many things and if they wish to be re-elected they must fulfill the desires of the common people. Where a whole people err so will the leaders since they are there to fulfill the will the of the people. But with GOD and Zion...It is not the majority that decides what is good and evil But GOD. Knowledge of GOD and wisdom Comes from above to the chosen leaders and makes its way down. The sooner we begin to adopt this mindset the sooner we shall be ready for Zion. For even in the prayer of Jesus. GOD prayed that the WILL OF GOD BE DONE ON THE EARTH AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN. So it will be when Zion comes. bert10

The answer is to go into "Unconditional Love" which is the same love God has for us. It is the same type of Love that allows God as well as us to love our Enemies. This is a giving Love and does not care if it is returned or not. It liberates us from our fears and co-dependency on others for love. With "Unconditional Love" one does not lose hope. And if you do...you will regain it quickly. It first works on the person giving it out and then it begins to work on our Spouse. Praise and thank God for your problems and weaknesses and your husband's weaknesses. When you get pretty good at this...God will begin to take things in His hands and He will straighten out your path. bert10

The people in the Church are not perfect. Wickedness is not based on Conformity regardless of today's mindset. The greatest problem of all Israel today is blaming, accusing and condemning. IF they do not gain a mind of Non-judgmental...they will be given judgments after judgments based on their own judgments on others until they learn to cease doing it or are dragged into the grave. Just know that every minute spent in not making the kingdom of GOD first in our lives is a waste of precious time. However, we are not to judge others who decide to live differently. All of us will reap the consequences of our thoughts words and actions and I think this should be sufficient. Freedom is about choice whether it is wise or not. bert10

What did Jesus say? Luke 23:34 - Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots A "hiss and a byword" is of the wicked. We can always Judge actions but never the Worthiness of the Soul doing those actions unless GOD gives us the Spirit of judgment. It is true that they are become a "Hiss and a byword" to many people on the earth. But that is not an excuse or justification to condemn Israel. They shall wake up and acknowledge their error in the day.... Zechariah 13:4 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive: Zechariah 13:5 - But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Zechariah 13:7 - Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. Zechariah 13:8 - And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein. Zechariah 13:9 - And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. bert10