Ray

The key word here is "accuse"... and Satan is known as THE accuser.The meaning of the word accuse is to blame another person. Do you like it when someone blames another person??? This does NOT mean we shouldn't accept responsibility for our actions, or that we shouldn't love another person by trying to help them learn to do better than they did or know how to do, but we should not be among those who "accuse"... some people just don't know any better.

You see.... why didn't you just say that? That is VERY easy! I have used those words before, Desire'. You just didn't know I used those words before. :)

AHH! You are confusing two people at once!! Heh, I'm sorry. My intention is not to confuse you. :) Some people use the word "Godhead", and some people use the word "Trinity" for those 3 and how they are one, but those words aren't in the Bible or our other standard scriptures, so I choose to simply use the word "God". And basically, or to put this as simply as I can, those 3 are all God but they're not the same person, though they all do agree as if one. If you want more than that catch me at another time, or you can now very simply ask God. :)

Ok. I think am understanding this. Lets see. Here is a truth. When I talk on the phone my cat sometimes thinks I am talking to him and starts to meow non stop. The way you can find out is to call me up and hear for yourself. Seven out of ten times that cat will come over and start to meow until I tell him to shut up, and even then he sometimes won't. So calling and hearing this cat will be proof. I'm sorry, Moonfire. I don't agree... I don't believe you have shared the whole truth. Please don't be offended, I'm not trying to be rude. I simply don't agree with your conclusion. I might be able to come to the point of agreeing with you on the idea that when you talk on the phone your cat starts to meow, and meows "a lot" while you are on the phone, but I don't think I'd say your cat begins to meow "non-stop". Is he still meowing now? If not, he has stopped. If I saw him not meowing, I'd know that. I still might not be able to agree that "your cat thinks you are talking to him", though. Maybe he's just meowing because he wants your attention, not because he thinks you're talking to him. Do you really claim to know how your cat thinks??? I could also go on about some of your other comments that I do not agree with right now, but I think you get my point. I do not agree with all you said in your post because I don't know what you said is the truth... the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth. "like the phone"... as in a means of communication with God, you mean? Yes, I can agree with that. But the Holy Ghost is also God... not just a connection to God... the Holy Ghost is a person who is God... ... and I'm not referring to our Father in heaven or our Lord Jesus Christ, who are God, but not the Holy Ghost. Heh, and don't get too frustrated when you see you don't know everything... there's a whole LOT to learn about God... and the best way to learn about God is to learn from God and from those God inspires to teach truths. :)

I hope everyone realizes that this is Serg's post, and his opinion. He doesn't speak for me, or all LDS.And he made several comments in this post that I do not agree with, but I do not feel like correcting him. On the whole I agree with him a lot, though. :)

There are a LOT of things I still don't know about Adam and Eve too, Desire', so don't feel all alone. :)

When some people say they have knowledge, they sometimes only mean information, but regardless of what words we choose to explain things we need to know what is the truth. Try thinking of some examples of how you could know about information, but still not really know if the information you had was really some part of the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth. I’ll give you an example to start off with. We (LDS) have a Book of Mormon. Is that true? Yes, that’s true. We (LDS) DO have a Book of Mormon. Are you going to tell me that we don’t? Heh, just a little lesson on how important it is to use words to try to say what you mean. When you say you know something, what do you really know, and how do you know what is true? Okay, your turn. Give me an example of what you know is the truth, and how you really know it is true, and while you are at it, please also tell me how I can know what you have is the truth. And btw, this is a test, and only a test. If it was really important for you to know something I'd tell you to ask God what is true. :)

Heh, it's the only one I found with an index finger pointing up to the "one" we should learn from. :)

Okay. That's good. I recommend that you learn from God. :)

Are you using logic in that statement? Yes. Do you know if my logic is true?I do. How about you? If you don't, do you know what to do?

Pretty much, yes, I say so, except that I would say that you are actually sinning against the Holy Ghost when you deny the truth or a truth the Holy Ghost is telling you or assuring you to be true.Without the Holy Ghost there is no way to really know if something is really true or really not true... speaking of how we learn things in this world... although the "light of Christ" instructs us sufficiently by giving us an assurance of what our Lord knows is true or right and wrong. Do you feel what is right? Are you sure it is true? Then give all the glory to God. You cannot know the truth by simply using logic because other reasons might also be true. :)

Read the "Evidence of Mormonism" thread beginning with post 61 on page 5. We (LDS) got into your questions there. But don't just believe what I or other LDS say. Ask God to assure you of the truth. God is always there, and listening. :)

Yes, it does, Doc. And you know what? It's intentional.My teachings mainly focus on the principle of Faith when someone wants to know what is true... or when I want to share what I know is true... because only from God can we all know what is true. Do you want to ask or say anything else now, Doc???

Doc, If you think it is simply a waste of time for someone to say: I have learned the truth from God... or I am trying to learn from God... or nobody can know what is true without faith or an assurance from God... or anyone can know what is true with faith or an assurance from God... ... regardless of whatever anyone else thinks... ... then that's what you think... and it's not what I think... it is not a waste of my time to hear that. I think we all should say that when anyone else wants to know or understand what we think, and when I hear that sincerely from others I know they will learn what God thinks. But to each their own, Doc. You can learn any way that you want to. :)

Okay, let’s try this approach. Regardless of what anyone else believes, I and most other LDS believe our Lord has spoken through prophets, and continues to speak through prophets, so no matter what anyone chooses to believe we (LDS) will continue to believe what our Lord says. And to share some of what our Lord has said with some of you other people, I’ve taken a few minutes to come up with some quotes to let you know what He has said. And btw, this is also a more direct response to the subject of this thread, because the “evidence of Mormonism” is the Book of Mormon and many other words of our Lord. Enjoy! :) Hebrews 10:26 2 Peter 2:20-22 Jacob 5:5-12 Moroni 8:28-29 D&C 42:18-19 and verse 79 D&C 132:27 and verse 39

Since it hasn't been pointed out yet, and I think someone should bring up this point, without pointing fingers at anyone in particular, there are also people in this world who think it is God who is giving or has inspired them to speak in an "unknown" tongue (or language) when in fact they are inspired by Satan, and what they are saying is not inspired by God but some other power in this world. Or in other words, just because someone thinks God inspires them, or has inspired them, does not mean they're inspired by God, and there are other forces in the unseen world who can inspire us to do what they want. There. I have said it. If you're offended, it's not my fault. I am very simply saying some "gifts" are from God, and some are really not from God.

I like your questions... I don't know if it is just me or what.. But you always ask good questions.. and they seem sincere! I also read Maureen's response.. and I love how she anwsers questions! I just thought I would like to share! Thank you for your quote of Tommy's quote again, Desire'. Reading your post and his quote again helped me to see some more ways to answer his questions. :) Even though there have been and I expect will be some variations, I've seen it go something like this: A man or woman spoke in a language other than his/her own native language better than he/she claimed was his/her own ability to do on his/her own... and the persons hearing that man or woman speak knew what that man or woman was saying... either because that man or woman was then speaking in the native language of the persons he/she was speaking to, or because there was an interpreter present who was able to translate from one language to another. Yes, I have heard people speak in a language other than their own native language, and after they spoke they usually said something about how they had just spoken in that language better than they could have done on their own. Well, it did happen once to me. I once tried to speak in Hebrew while speaking to God privately, and I felt sure that I spoke it, and I still feel sure that I spoke it, better than I could have done so on my own. When there was or would be someone present who didn't understand the language spoken. In my experience, once someone says they have received that gift they then become one of those people. It is usually treated as one person saying something to some other person or people, with some people sharing what they think about that experience. Some say it's from God, some say they don't know, and some say we all should ask God. Heh, No, I just automatically think that God has just spoken. I really don't need to ask Him. j/k... ... that was a joke, people... of course I ask God to know what is true... ... sheesh... will some people ever learn???

Primarily in the sense that all the languages we speak are primarily human, yes. But I wouldn't choose to say what you just said, because it seems you may have missed my idea.In other words, any language a human speaks is a language of some human who is trying to communicate with some other human, or humans, and when God gives a human the gift of being able to communicate with some other human, or humans, in a language which is not native to the speaker, it is then called a gift from God. Do you now hear what I am trying to tell you? Heh, we're speaking the same language and we're still having problems. Would it help if I spoke another language??? The term "Adamic language" refers to the language Adam spoke, and God spoke, while in Eden. And that was the language everyone spoke until Babel, when most people then spoke other languages.And btw, there is nothing unknown but what can be known through some power or gift from God, and if some people speak and don't know what they're saying then how do they know it's from God... by just believing what some other person tells them??? Would you recommend that everyone just do that? I hope not. Where anyone believes someone without knowing what he's saying, there are two who I would not believe. And I wouldn't believe others who are saying, "that is true", without knowing that God did inspire them. But you can do what you want. We can all do what we want. I'll tell me and all others to ask God.

And you're right in what you are saying, mdb. I and others are simply elaborating by sharing just a little more truth. :)

Tommy, Speaking for every LDS out there... which I do NOT have authority to do, btw... so I might as well stop right now. Speaking for myself and the other LDS who taught and explained the concept of speaking in tongues to me, as well as for other LDS who continue to teach and explain the concept of speaking in tongues to other people... ... yeah, that's more like it... ... speaking in tongues refers to the ability to speak in languages... languages other than the native language a person normally develops by growing up or being around other people who speak his/her native language... languages which certain people actually speak... with an ability to speak in those other languages aided by the power of God... either without any formal training or lessons in that language or with a divinely increased capacity to learn to speak those other languages... without which a person would only have their own natural abilities to learn to speak those languages without the power of God. So, yes, God continues to give us (LDS) the ability to speak in languages... languages other than our own native language... with little or no formal training... when we have no other way to communicate... and this gift is then given by God because God wants us to then be able to communicate... instead of waiting until we learn their language or having Him do everything for us... which is part of becoming as self-reliant as possible... which is the way God wants us all to be. And btw, I once heard the facts and figures, which I have forgotten for the moment, regarding how quickly and how many languages are translated for each publication of the Ensign magazine (and other Church magazines) each month, as well as how quickly and how many languages are translated during each broadcast of General Conference sessions... and I was very impressed. But if you think about it, it's amazing, how much we still need God's help... and how much our God has helped us already, to really become "one" with Him. :)

… or to put this truth in other words … The sin against the Holy Ghost is the sin of denying what the Holy Ghost tells you, which can never be forgiven while you continue to deny that what the Holy Ghost tells you is really the truth. Or in other words… When a person sins against the Holy Ghost by denying what the Holy Ghost tells them… and in denying the Holy Ghost are pretty much saying that what the Holy Ghost tells them isn’t true… they can’t be forgiven for that sin because they’ve denied what the Holy Ghost told them is true. Or in other words… Our Lord can’t just forgive people who deny what the Holy Ghost tells them because our Lord’s forgiveness can’t just nullify the fact that those people are still denying what the Holy Ghost tells them is true, which is or would be in agreement with what our Lord would tell them is really the truth. Or in other words… First: try to imagine how you or I or anyone else would ever be able to know what is true. Think about that for a while. Can you know the truth by simply believing whatever you see with your own eyes? Many people saw our Lord Jesus and really didn’t know who He was. What if you had been one of them? What if you had seen all of His miracles? Would YOU have really known then? Many did see, they saw all of that, but they still didn’t really believe. How would you have explained that fact to God… if you had been one of them? Can you know the truth by believing what someone tells you? What if that person is wrong? How would you know what was really true then? Do you believe ALL people who say they know God and tell you what they know God told them? Heh, I know you don’t. So how do you know WHO to believe??? Do you think you are so much smarter than others that you can and could figure that out? Really? That’s good. Then tell me how you would know who God was if you saw or heard Him for yourself? And yes, there is “one” way we can know the truth, and I’ve told you that way, myself. We can all know God by learning from God and knowing it IS God for ourselves. :) And when we know God we will know the Holy Ghost. We will not deny what He says. We can’t agree with our Lord and deny the Holy Ghost. They’re both “one”, and you can know for yourself. And btw, since it seems that some of you are still stuck on the idea that intentionally murdering an innocent person is THE sin against the Holy Ghost, instead of simply another one of the many ways to sin against knowledge received from the Holy Ghost, I’ll ask you to tell me how you would know the truth about that issue for yourself. Need a hint??? If I were you, I’d simply ask God. :)

Where Are The Youth?, Come on guyz..... Please? If you were from the Bronx, I'd say, Mongolia. And if you weren't, I'd say, all over. And if you don't get me now, I'd say, watch 'My Cousin, Vinnie' :)

do you believe that the Book of mormon... is the word of god? I believe the Book of Mormon was written by men... men who knew God... who were inspired by God to write the things they wrote...yes... some words were from God... some words were from them... and I know WHO to ask to know and tell me which is which. do you believe that the ... bible is the word of god? I believe the Holy Bible was written by men... men who knew God... who were inspired by God to write the things they wrote... yes... some words were from God... some words were from them... and I know WHO to ask to know and tell me which is which. do you belive the Doctrine of LDS is of god? I believe most of the doctrine that is taught by the prophets of God in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was and is inspired by God... yes... and that which did not and does not come from God is still or will be authorized by God because God has authorized certain people to teach in His church. do you belive that the Aspotles and prophets and bishops Guides us in all things though god? I believe most of the counsel given through prophets in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... and by the term "prophet" I'm including apostles and bishops and stake presidents and area authorities and general authorities, etc...is given by God through the power of the Holy Ghost... yes... but I don't believe them just because they say so, or because they have those positions in the Church, but because God gives me His assurance to know what is true. do you only belive that the thoughts u have in your mind are of god and nothing else is? Heh, No. And even if I was the only one on Earth who really knew what God thought, God would. how old are you? Heh, I was born on this Earth on March 4, 1961, at 6:18am, CT, so you go figure it out. Before that... ??? how long have u been lds? I joined the Church on July 23, 1989, at 7:23pm, PT, so you go figure it out. do you belive that the lds church is of god and is true? Yes. Hope u dont mind asking!! If I "minded" I'd have let you know. I was raised in Texas and I have no problem with letting you know what I think. And to know what I know is true I did, and you can, simply ask God.

........ In my opinion... And I am usually on my own in it... I think the bishop is a great person to talk to about anything that you need help understanding... There are LOTS of good people to talk to, Desire'... and LOTS of bishops are good people... but I will rely on nobody but God to teach me the truth. :)

I'm very happy to hear that, Soulsearcher. I really would like to love and be loved by EVERYONE... ... even when we don't agree with each other... ... and I've never stopped loving you since the day that I met you. :)