Russian expert predicts decline and breakup of United States.

[FunkyTown]

As a test of the barter system I will trade a 2 MB hardrive for a doz. carrots and 1 gal. of fresh milk.

Hahah. A 2 MB hard drive? What is that - 30 years old?

Actually, if you really -do- have a 2 -megabyte- hard drive, I will totally send you carrots and fresh milk for it. That would be an antique.

[Captain_Curmudgeon]

Russian expert on the future?

That's about as believable as CIA expert on the current situation.

Does the phrase "shoals of apple pie" ring a bell?

[Palerider]

seems like the Kremlin is making a comeback...

[avatar4321]

I can't imagine the nation breaking up without a strong LDS presence being felt in the west.

I don't expect us to break up anyway. Although we do have a civil war coming in the future.

[foodstr2]

Texas' constitution states that we have the right to secede from the Union, if we so decide. With some 80% of US oil refining going on here, that would put us in a good trade-relations status with the rest of you.

[Captain_Curmudgeon]

Texas' constitution states that we have the right to secede from the Union, if we so decide.

Wish you had so decided before, oh, 1962. Would have prevented three Presidents that I could do without.

[john doe]

Yeah, that LBJ really put us in a pickle.

[Palerider]

Yeah, that LBJ really put us in a pickle.

so that was the smell back then....:)

[Captain_Curmudgeon]

Yeah, that LBJ really put us in a pickle.

Yes, and he did the least of the damage.

[FunkyTown]

Wish you had so decided before, oh, 1962. Would have prevented three Presidents that I could do without.

Hahah. Oh, Captain. You're such a curmudgeon.

[TeancumsSword]

Wish you had so decided before, oh, 1962. Would have prevented three Presidents that I could do without.

LBJ

Jimmy Carter

Bill Clinton

[Palerider]

If I can get out of paying taxes....I am all for it.....:D:D

[Fiannan]

Texas' constitution states that we have the right to secede from the Union, if we so decide. With some 80% of US oil refining going on here, that would put us in a good trade-relations status with the rest of you.

Kinda strange, I have known people from Alaska who would prefer to link up with Russia rather than have liberals in Washington DC lock up their oil resources.

Has anyone read up on what Neal A. Maxwell has written about the whole exodus to the Rockies by the righteous trying to escape the collapse of social order in what will be what's left of the USA?

[Maya]

Should I start packing too??

[Fiannan]

Should I start packing too??

Not sure, A friend of mine who is really into those "Prophecy Key to the Future" type books quoted me something about the future where some countries in Europe (Sweden was one) would look with shock as the once mighty USA would collapse in an unbelievably fast manner.

[Maya]

Maybe we will vitness the state of Deseret getting its independence.....

Maybe I wait til it is all over and move then to Zion fysically... now just beeing in the stake is supposed to be the same...

[Hemidakota]

The US will fall within from corruption. Meanwhile, there will be no european nation to witnesses it.

[talisyn]

well, if the usa is going down you can bet we'll take everyone else with us *^.^*~

[deseretgov]

Well the Nation of Deseret is starting right now.

[a-train]

Hmmm... Perhaps we imagine the fall of the United States with epic visions of mass destruction. But look at the fall of the U.S.S.R. Did anyone die? What great physical calamity took place? The Berlin wall came down without benefit of nuclear warfare. It was a political collapse.

Such is what we are facing in America today. The political system has increasingly been converted to an unsustainable socialist imperialist state, one that will ultimately collapse and the people will again have a chance to return to peace and prosperity if they will resist the temptations to support latter-day Gadiantons in the interest of easy enrichment. God bless the land of the free and the home of the brave and let the tyrants fall into the pits they've digged!

-a-train

[Palerider]

Well the Nation of Deseret is starting right now.

I am all for it if you don't raise my taxes....:D

[deseretgov]

I am all for it if you don't raise my taxes....:D

Well the current form of the Nation of Deseret does not have any taxes. We collect money through donations.

[Hemidakota]

I am against it...sorry. I do believe in a theocratic government.

[Fiannan]

Hmmm... Perhaps we imagine the fall of the United States with epic visions of mass destruction. But look at the fall of the U.S.S.R. Did anyone die? What great physical calamity took place? The Berlin wall came down without benefit of nuclear warfare. It was a political collapse.

Such is what we are facing in America today. The political system has increasingly been converted to an unsustainable socialist imperialist state, one that will ultimately collapse and the people will again have a chance to return to peace and prosperity if they will resist the temptations to support latter-day Gadiantons in the interest of easy enrichment. God bless the land of the free and the home of the brave and let the tyrants fall into the pits they've digged!

-a-train

There are some major differences between Russia and the USA. When the lights go out in Moscow you don't see widespread looting. Just a thought.

Perhaps the US might face something more akin to The Balkins or what happened in the Caucasas. In these regions people are separated by ethnic, cultural and religious differences and when the power of government ceased to keep the peace everything fell apart.

In European Russia (where Russian majorities existed) there was a sense of Russianes that held people together. Regions where Russians were small minorities saw the dominant ethnic groups declare independence immediately with the US and the EU nations rapidly recognizing their claims. Between these nations there was bloodshed (between Armenia and Azerbaijan for instance) and within these coutries (Georgia's vicious attacks against non-Georgians in the north).

It was not (and still isn't) a peaceful transition.

[countrygirl66]

One of my sons really good friends is on a mission in Russia right now and he says the scariest thing for the people in general is the russian mafia. (just thought I would throw that in)

I went to lunch with a friend last week and she made a statement that from what she sees that we are losing our compassion for each other from what it used to be. (that is in general) But it did make me think, I wonder if it is true?