No Trial we experience is wasted

[AngelonaWing]

No pain that we suffer, no trial that we experience is wasted. It ministers to our education, to the development of such qualities as patience, faith, fortitude, and humility. All that we suffer and all that we endure, especially when we endure it patiently, builds up our characters, purifies our hearts, expands our souls, and makes us more tender and charitable, more worthy to be called the children of God. . .and it is through sorrow and suffering, toil and tribulation, that we gain the education that we come here to acquire and which will make us more like our Father and Mother in heaven."
(Quoted in Spencer W. Kimball, Faith Precedes the Miracle, p. 98.

[Hemidakota]

The word Mother in Heaven is not often used in GC or by leaders of the church. President Kimball was outspoken on several subjects and this was one of them when discussing our Heavenly Parents.

As I agree with trials and it is up to us to learn from them and apply it in our daily lives.

[kona0197]

I disagree. I think some trials are put upon us as a form of punishment.

[Truegrits]

I have always (well, since becoming an adult) believed that every thing we experience is a learning opportunity. Nothing we go through is "wasted"...there is always a lesson to take from any situation.

[jolee65]

But as parents we punish in hopes that our children learn something.

[AngelonaWing]

When my son was diagnosed with Brain Tumor (Cancer) back in 1990 ( he was six) I recieved this from the Stake President at the time. Son died in 1992 so This Quote has been a blessing for me for many years.

[Palerider]

thats an awesome quote....:)

[NeuroTypical]

I disagree. I think some trials are put upon us as a form of punishment.

And why do people punish, kona?

(Think about it from the perspective of a righteous parent, and not a kid...)

LM

[beefche]

No pain that we suffer, no trial that we experience is wasted. It ministers to our education, to the development of such qualities as patience, faith, fortitude, and humility. All that we suffer and all that we endure, especially when we endure it patiently, builds up our characters, purifies our hearts, expands our souls, and makes us more tender and charitable, more worthy to be called the children of God. . .and it is through sorrow and suffering, toil and tribulation, that we gain the education that we come here to acquire and which will make us more like our Father and Mother in heaven."

(Quoted in Spencer W. Kimball, Faith Precedes the Miracle, p. 98.

Help me understand. When I read this, I agree with Pres. Kimball. However, it sure doesn't sound very hopeful. How do we understand this quote with the quote from Joseph Smith who said, "Happiness is the object and design of our existence..."

Perhaps I just don't have a good perspective, but suffering and sorrow doesn't sound very happy to me.

[AngelonaWing]

for me without the Suffering we would not know JOY.

[kona0197]

And why do people punish, kona?

(Think about it from the perspective of a righteous parent, and not a kid...)

LM

Remember that I believe free will is the ability to choose right or wrong with no consequences.

However I do believe God is punishing me now. So be it. I'm still not coming back to Church.

[pam]

So your definition of free will with no consequences. Does that mean someone can exercise their right to free will and murder someone but with no consequences? That's what I'm getting from your comment.

[kona0197]

I'll explain later. It's not that easy.

[pam]

Okay fair enough.

[NeuroTypical]

Remember that I believe free will is the ability to choose right or wrong with no consequences.

I'm not sure how you can sustain such a belief. It's certainly not what the church teaches. If you ever decide to share the details, I'll eagerly engage you.

LM

[kona0197]

I do not think God should punish us if we do not choose to obey him or make a choice that he does not like. I think that is basically slavery.

I choose to make my own way.

Yes you should be punished for things like murder but not things like drinking a beer.

[pam]

Is being a parent also considered slavery?

[Palerider]

I do not think God should punish us if we do not choose to obey him or make a choice that he does not like. I think that is basically slavery.

I choose to make my own way.

Yes you should be punished for things like murder but not things like drinking a beer.

what if your drinking that beer makes your driving ability suffer and you get into an accident....should you be punished for drinking a beer.....

[kona0197]

Fail. Nice try.

[pam]

Kona whenever something hits a nerve or you don't like someone's answer your immediate response is:

Fail..Nice try.

[kona0197]

And your point? :)

[pam]

Why not answer the questions instead of telling people they fail. Or is it you just don't have a rebuttal to what they say?

I happen to think Pale has a point. Okay fine you drink a beer, but what if you do get into an accident...no consequences then?

[Palerider]

Fail. Nice try.

I am right and you are dead wrong......

[Palerider]

And your point? :)

wrong again.......

[kona0197]

But I already answered your question. I already stated that people should be punished for crimes.

However things like casual drinking, smoking a cigarette or drinking tea should be allowed.

Someone telling you how to live is a form of slavery.

(Palerider: bite me.)