TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 so much is going on I dont even know what is true or what isnt but I do have a question/discussion she had IVF for all of her kids.. she had 8 fertilized eggs left over so she had them all implanted rather than "letting the eggs go" for lack of a better term what are your thoughts on this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding this i think should be answered. to start with ... i've not heard and am wondering.... who is the father? did she use donor sperm? was she ever married? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 no they were all donated sperm done via IVF invetro fertilization.. one donor was identified.. no "daddy" in the picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 i'm sorry maybe it's judgmental but i don't think single women should be getting invirto... much less 6 times. the only time i've heard of a single woman getting it that i didn't think it was inappropriate was with a woman who her and her husband were in the process, just before implantation he unexpectedly died, it was put on hold and a couple of yrs later she decided to finish the process and have her husband's child. i could respect that. so does this woman support all these kids herself or is she on government support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 so does this woman support all these kids herself or is she on government support?that is yet to be known.. I really hope not.. but it looks like it may be the case.. the story is she only did this last one becasue she had 8 embryos left and didnt want them to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 What's even more crazy is that this woman already had 6 kids prior to this event! There's gotta be something unethical about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 but if she was never married and trying to have a baby as the start of a family she could care for then she should not have had any embryo's to begin with. that admittedly being said with very little info or facts on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 ehtics are in question in so many things do we limit how many children a person can have? do we say you can have 4 and you can have 2? If she was a "good Christian woman" who wanted 14 kids would that change how many eggs woudl be planted? who do we give the power to decide that? then we have the single mom factor.. then we have the self reliance issue.. etc.. etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 we don't say how many kids one person or another can have... we can say, if you are not married, you can't support children, if nature doesn't permit you to have them we will not help you. the woman i mentioned before with the husband that died, she could support her kid, if she could not have i would say she should not have done it either. who paid for all this invitro, from what i understand it's not cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 do we limit how many children a person can have? do we say you can have 4 and you can have 2? If she was a "good Christian woman" who wanted 14 kids would that change how many eggs woudl be planted? who do we give the power to decide that?I'm not trying to advocate a strict limit on the number of kids one can have, I just don't see how one person can take care of all 14 children, especially when 8 of them need intensive medical care and 1 out of the original 6 has autism. I'm most afraid for the physical safety of these children. I don't think it's ethical to have more children than one can adequately take care of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I agree with both of you.. I guess just looking at where these ideas could go.. I guess playing devils advocate so to speak and thats why I am curious as to her money situation .. to have IVF 6 times.. many couples save every penny to do it once.. I know the state wont pay for it. heck most insurance companies wont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Here is an article on it.Mother of octuplets had all her 14 children by IVF - Telegraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexbeardsley Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 · Hidden Hidden Mother of octuplets had all her 14 children by IVF - Telegraph Link to comment
peanutgallery Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Single women have no business intentionally having children. It doesn't matter how they do it. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.I can't believe she found a doctor to do this. I wonder if she went to Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) She's never been married. Her mother is pretty much disgusted with her.i'm sorry maybe it's judgmental but i don't think single women should be getting invirto... much less 6 times.I don't think she had it six times. Generally, multiple embryos are implanted because it is expected that they won't all survive.Here's an article from the grandmother's perspective: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News Edited January 31, 2009 by Wingnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeMom Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 She's never been married. Her mother is pretty much disgusted with her.I don't think she had it six times. Generally, multiple embryos are implanted because it is expected that they won't all survive.Here's an article from the grandmother's perspective: Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! Newsdue to an issue with her fallopian tubes ALL of her children were conceived this way the reason for the 8 this time was thats how many fertilized eggs she had left.. and she didnt want them killed.. (aborted so to speak) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Maybe I am wrong but any woman of reasonable mental and physical health can get IVF in the USA if she can pay for it. She also has the right to shop, so to speak, around for donor sperm and choose whatever characteristic she wants whether it is a "dark haired, Muslim of Yemenese descent with an IQ of..." or "red haired, Mormon of Irish/German descent with an IQ of...". You can find these descriptions in the catelogues of sperm banks with web pages on the net. Then again, some women opt for their doctor to order IVF donor sperm. In Europe, shere the state is in charge of medical sevices, things are different. In Sweden the law recently was passed to allow lesbian couples to have access to IVF treatment. You can't shop for donors though (Sweden's still sensitive about the laws the socialists had until the 70s that allowed the state to sterilize people for the good of the state). The government there is considering proposals to allow single women to be able to get IVF as well (most now go to Denmark which has few restrictions). Great Britain is also considering getting rid of laws that bar single women from getting IVF (again, now they have to go to Denmark or the USA for it). The limit I believe in both nations is two children for IVF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestertheemt Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 A couple of questions have been raised......depending on what state she lives in some fertility treatment is covered by insurance. Is it expensive very much so between $10,000 and $15,000 for one attempt. It is cheaper in Europe.....in the Czech Republic it will cost $5000. The number of embryos implanted varies from fertility clinic and the health of the mother (8 seems way extreme IMHO). Individuals/couples can freeze the embroyos to use in later attempts of IVF, yes it does cost for "storage". Some choose to donate those (either after a succussful IVF or after failed attempts). That being said that is an extreme personal decission that the couple has to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestertheemt Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 This was recently released by the Associated Press: Calif. octuplets' mom's veil of secrecy vanishes - Yahoo! News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyandKadensMommy Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Octuplet Mother Happy To Be Single MomPosted Feb 3, 09 5:01 PM CST in US (Newser) – The mother who recently gave birth to octuplets did so determined to raise them as a single parent, Us magazine reports. "She did have boyfriends. She did have someone who really wanted to get married," said the mother of Nadya Suleman. But those relationships just didn't work out. "She just wanted to do whatever she is doing by herself," said Angela Suleman. Nadya's decision to have in vitro fertilization even though she already has six kids didn't sit well with her parents. "Her dad was extremely upset at her when he found out she did that again, and so was I," said Angela. Still, she considers her daughter a good mom. "She loves her children and she tries to provide the best she can for them." As for the new names, don't ask Grandma. "I really don't know all the names—there are quite a few.I know everyone has heard about her and watched her on tv. Here is a link to more stories. She has been offered 1m to do porn and they brought her kids into with medical coverage. The link is below Octu-Mom Offered $1M to Do Porno - Gossip news | NewserHere are some other linksOctu-Mom, Grandma Face Off in New Vid - Gossip news | NewserOctuplets' Birth Certificates List No Dad - Gossip news | NewserI am just wondering what everyone's opinion is on this subject. Personally I think she needs mental help. I really do. She in my opinion is unfit for these babies. They deserve a home with a mom and a dad. They deserve a family whom can provide for them. I just think she made a really bad choice. I have 2 children and let me tell you they run me ragged. My husband and i raise them together and that is really tough. I wonder how she thinks she can handle 14 children when most mom and dad family's know how tough it really is. Let alone she has no money to raise them. I think she is living in a fantasy world. They said on the news she is an obsessed fan of Angelina Jolee and is you look at her face you can see how obsessed. I worry about the welfare of the children. What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AELK Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 There's no way she can care for these babies and her other children by herself, she cannot provide the human touch, the comfort and support, or even the milk (human milk that is) for so many. What is the answer? Either she gets the oodles of money from the novelty of it all and gets nannies and a constant supply of artificial baby milk or these babies will be physically and mentally neglected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 http://www.lds.net/forums/current-events/17711-octuplets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 http://www.lds.net/forums/current-events/17711-octuplets.htmlI think, given the subject matter, we should be allowed to have 8 different concurrent threads on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I think, given the subject matter, we should be allowed to have 8 different concurrent threads on the subject. Not 14? She does have six other children already, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestertheemt Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Not only did she make a bad choice but so did her doctor. "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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