Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo+Nov 18 2005, 03:09 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-lisajo@Nov 18 2005, 01:06 PMYour beating a dead horse here!!!!!!!!!Some music is goodsome music is badFree agency is ours...........If we raise our kids right they'll use their free agency rightdoesnt mean well all turn into devil warshipers if we listen To Ozzy!!!!!!!!!What more can be said????????????????????←← true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo@Nov 18 2005, 03:06 PMYour beating a dead horse here!!!!!!!!!Some music is goodsome music is badFree agency is ours...........If we raise our kids right they'll use their free agency rightdoesnt mean well all turn into devil warshipers if we listen To Ozzy!!!!!!!!!What more can be said????????????????????←_____________________________On the video, I saw Ozzy Osborn dressed like satan...horns and all. Did you know that you can purchase Ozzy tshirts with a picture of satan on the front at his concerts? I even heard Ozzy hailing satan on this video.If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!What more can be said indeed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister@Nov 18 2005, 03:14 PMOn the video, I saw Ozzy Osborn dressed like satan...horns and all. Did you know that you can purchase Ozzy tshirts with a picture of satan on the front at his concerts? I even heard Ozzy hailing satan on this video.If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!←Or at least a great sales gimmick... B) By the way, from the interviews I've seen, the Osbournes are Catholic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by Outshined+Nov 18 2005, 03:15 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 18 2005, 03:14 PMOn the video, I saw Ozzy Osborn dressed like satan...horns and all. Did you know that you can purchase Ozzy tshirts with a picture of satan on the front at his concerts? I even heard Ozzy hailing satan on this video.If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!←Or at least a great sales gimmick... B)←C'mon Outshined...you don't really think that these good Christian organizations are exposing the Satanic influences in Music just to make a buck themselves!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister@Nov 18 2005, 01:14 PM_____________________________ Did you know that you can purchase Ozzy tshirts with a picture of satan on the front ←Ya i know i have one LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo+Nov 18 2005, 01:17 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 18 2005, 01:14 PM_____________________________ Did you know that you can purchase Ozzy tshirts with a picture of satan on the front ←Ya i know i have one LOL←Oh my goshhhhhhh does that mean i'm a devil warshiper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo@Nov 18 2005, 03:25 PMOh my goshhhhhhh does that mean i'm a devil warshiper?←Nah, just eat an extra helping of green jello... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 THEY SOLD THEIR SOULS FOR ROCK AND ROLLThis four hour video 2-tape set (VHS format) is a "must see" music documentary exposing the Satanic influence behind yesterday and today's secular music. It contains irrefutable evidence that demonic beings are leading the world to destruction in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Don't miss out on the opportunity to own your own copy of this eye opening exposé which is sure to convince even the hardest of skeptics! For a limited time we have drastically reduced our price by 25% in order to get this one of a kind evangelical tool into as many hands as possible. Own a copy of They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll for only $24.95 (please add $5.00 for shipping, regardless of quantity ordered. This tape series is offered exclusively through Fight the Good Fight Ministries. To order by phone call toll free:(866)JC-TRUTH To order by check or money order, make payable to: Fight The Good Fight MinistriesP. O. BOX 2202Simi Valley, CA 93062For further ordering assistance call (805) 522-7005oremail: [email protected]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------©2005 FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT MINISTRIES _________________________________________________(album) We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n' Roll Black Sabbath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister@Nov 18 2005, 01:28 PMTHEY SOLD THEIR SOULS FOR ROCK AND ROLLThis four hour video 2-tape set (VHS format) is a "must see" music documentary exposing the Satanic influence behind yesterday and today's secular music. It contains irrefutable evidence that demonic beings are leading the world to destruction in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Don't miss out on the opportunity to own your own copy of this eye opening exposé which is sure to convince even the hardest of skeptics! For a limited time we have drastically reduced our price by 25% in order to get this one of a kind evangelical tool into as many hands as possible. Own a copy of They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll for only $24.95 (please add $5.00 for shipping, regardless of quantity ordered. This tape series is offered exclusively through Fight the Good Fight Ministries. To order by phone call toll free:(866)JC-TRUTH To order by check or money order, make payable to: Fight The Good Fight MinistriesP. O. BOX 2202Simi Valley, CA 93062For further ordering assistance call (805) 522-7005oremail: [email protected]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------©2005 FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT MINISTRIES _________________________________________________(album) We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n' Roll Black Sabbath←Me thinks you get a stake out of this tape.........after all you seem to be pushing it and or others alot!No offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jason@Nov 18 2005, 03:17 PMC'mon Outshined...you don't really think that these good Christian organizations are exposing the Satanic influences in Music just to make a buck themselves!! ←No more than a certain Mr. Decker was when he made The Godmakers to "expose the Satanic influences" in the LDS Church... They have the same credibility in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusz Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hey, Outshined, this thread made me think of a question Ive been meaning to ask you, I was wondering if your name is from the Soundgarden song... just curious. Anyway, my views are pretty much along yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by seamusz@Nov 18 2005, 03:35 PMHey, Outshined, this thread made me think of a question Ive been meaning to ask you, I was wondering if your name is from the Soundgarden song... just curious. Anyway, my views are pretty much along yours.←Yes, it is; one of my all-time favorite songs! You're one of the only people to ever guess its origins. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Oh no and I saw Jon Lovitz as Mestopholiz or Lucifer on SNL. I had better go and see the Bishop. Joseph Smith "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves" There is no such thing as free agency. It is agency, right to choose. Nothing free about it. Each of us has our agency to choose. If you believe in a judgement then that is where we will be held accountable of how we used or abused that agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusz Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Yes, great song, and a great band... by the way, you an Audioslave fan? I am a fan myself... I liked Rage, I like SG, and thought that Chris Cornell and the guys from rage have a good sound, although they lack some of the depth of either of the band... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Because some people look for the devil so hard they find him everywhere. Truth be told, if they are consistent they'll have to stop listening to anything that isn't religious (and about half of that ).I'm not one that sees demons behind every secular beat or phrase. It's easy to see the marketing ploy of those bands that play up the satanism angle. Yet, why invest the money God's given me for that garbage? A genre that needs occult imagery and trappings to promote it probably has little actual art to it.I stopped listening to the music demonizers long ago. There are better things to do than imagine more evil in music. There is some bad influence there, just as in television and movies. but if you're living right, you'll be just fine. I don't appreciate cheezy music marketing that makes use of occult imagry, and will not patronize it More importantly, I do not care to consume the vile messages of most secular music, and yes, a small amount of religious musicSo, it turns out that your sarcastic solution is correct: Stop listening to [just about -- my alteration] anything that isn't religious and about half of the stuff that is. [subtract the LOL].Bottom-line question: In a world that is spiritually bankrupt, and one in which even our congregations house people who've been abused, beaten, had marriages destroyed, and who are often so wounded, they are craving basic truths--do we really have time to waste entertaining ourselves with the foolishness of unbelievers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by seamusz@Nov 18 2005, 03:40 PMYes, great song, and a great band... by the way, you an Audioslave fan? I am a fan myself... I liked Rage, I like SG, and thought that Chris Cornell and the guys from rage have a good sound, although they lack some of the depth of either of the band...←Yes, I am a fan; have both albums. They're both very good; different, but good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusz Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Ive not heard much of the second album, would you consider it better than the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by BenRaines@Nov 18 2005, 03:38 PMOh no and I saw Jon Lovitz as Mestopholiz or Lucifer on SNL. I had better go and see the Bishop.Joseph Smith "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"There is no such thing as free agency. It is agency, right to choose. Nothing free about it. Each of us has our agency to choose.If you believe in a judgement then that is where we will be held accountable of how we used or abused that agency.←Actually there is such a thing as free agency. Free to have agency... Free in that truth/intelligence/light = free and without this freeingness, you would not be able to use agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by prisonchaplain@Nov 18 2005, 03:40 PMI'm not one that sees demons behind every secular beat or phrase. It's easy to see the marketing ploy of those bands that play up the satanism angle. Yet, why invest the money God's given me for that garbage? A genre that needs occult imagery and trappings to promote it probably has little actual art to it.Very good observation. Have you actually heard any of Marilyn Manson's stuff? Blechh! He relies on image and notoriety, not talent, much like Alice Cooper did.I don't appreciate cheezy music marketing that makes use of occult imagry, and will not patronize it More importantly, I do not care to consume the vile messages of most secular music, and yes, a small amount of religious musicYou're preaching to the choir; I don't care for a lot of it either, but don't believe it is "satanic".Bottom-line question: In a world that is spiritually bankrupt, and one in which even our congregations house people who've been abused, beaten, had marriages destroyed, and who are often so wounded, they are craving basic truths--do we really have time to waste entertaining ourselves with the foolishness of unbelievers?←I read a good book once that said Satan does not need you to commit any large sins; he needs only that you waste enough time on things with no eternal value.That said, if you enjoy music, enjoy it. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by seamusz@Nov 18 2005, 03:42 PMIve not heard much of the second album, would you consider it better than the first?←At least as good, if not better. Two thumbs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusz Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by Please+Nov 18 2005, 03:43 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-BenRaines@Nov 18 2005, 03:38 PMOh no and I saw Jon Lovitz as Mestopholiz or Lucifer on SNL. I had better go and see the Bishop.Joseph Smith "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"There is no such thing as free agency. It is agency, right to choose. Nothing free about it. Each of us has our agency to choose.If you believe in a judgement then that is where we will be held accountable of how we used or abused that agency.←Actually there is such a thing as free agency. Free to have agency... Free in that truth/intelligence/light = free and without this freeingness, you would not be able to use agency.←This is a question of definition, I think that from a general perspective, Ben is right. But technally Please is right, but really you are using different definitions of "free". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 This is silly but!!!! God gave man agency. That in and of itself is free. Agency to choose or agency to act. That is freedom to choose or freedom to act or not to choose or not to act. What is compelled agency? Is there such a thing? Can we be compelled to be free to choose. I don't think so. Agency is freedom. Satan's plan in pre-existence did not have agency. God's plan did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by BenRaines@Nov 18 2005, 03:48 PMThis is silly but!!!!God gave man agency. That in and of itself is free. Agency to choose or agency to act. That is freedom to choose or freedom to act or not to choose or not to act.What is compelled agency? Is there such a thing? Can we be compelled to be free to choose. I don't think so. Agency is freedom.Satan's plan in pre-existence did not have agency. God's plan did.←You need to read a little more in the scriptures... LOL and then do some pondering... you have... like seamus stated... got the general idea... but not the deeper more technical one... which leads to a lot more interesting knowledge and understanding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I find it very interesting how you can determine my level of knowledge and understanding by a few posts in a forum. Amazing. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by BenRaines@Nov 18 2005, 03:53 PMI find it very interesting how you can determine my level of knowledge and understanding by a few posts in a forum. Amazing. :)←Really it isn't that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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