apexviper13 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Back when Spencer W. Kimball was prophet, Germany didn't allow any kind of religious book being brought into the country. The members of the church there would have to meet secretly due to country law. However, they had no church handbook. The leaders of the church was aware of the situation so Thomas S. Monson memorized the entire church handbook used at that time, went to Germany, and wrote what the church handbook said in it word for word to avoid the "no religious book" law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) Source? Because your last sentence pretty much say's that he illegally smuggled in a religious book. I serious doubt the validity of that. If it's properly sources, then who's to argue? Edited May 1, 2011 by slamjet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 “The government of East Germany would not allow Church materials to be taken into the country,” he recalled. “So I was asked by President Spencer W. Kimball to memorize the new edition of what we then called the General Church Handbook of Instructions, to cross the border into East Germany, and then to type the handbook for the faithful Church leaders there. Although it would have been impossible for anyone to actually memorize the entire book, I did study it thoroughly and learned the concepts from cover to cover. I traveled to East Germany, asked the Church leaders there for an office, a typewriter and a ream of paper. I commenced typing.”However, an hour or two later, President Monson stood up to stretch, glanced around the room and noticed a bookshelf behind him. On the shelf was a copy of the new edition of the General Handbook of Instructions in the German language.“Someone had obviously smuggled it across the border,” he said. “Since that time, I’ve been rather knowledgeable concerning the contents of that book.” LDS Church News - Worldwide leadership broadcast: Pres. Monson emphasizes importance of reading, understanding and following handbook guidance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 And this is why sourcing is so important. The OP was correct on the big points, but the word for word part is a bit of an exaggeration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 · Hidden Hidden How did they bring copies of The Book of Mormon into the country? Elphaba Link to comment
Elphaba Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 And this is why sourcing is so important. The OP was correct on the big points, but the word for word part is a bit of an exaggeration.There's also the fairly large mistake of saying "Germany," when, in fact, it was East Germany. Those were two completely different countries at the time.Elphaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Fax machines & Email have made all this easier today. Thank goodness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest saintish Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Fax machines & Email have made all this easier today. Thank goodness!Except some governments censor those as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) President Monson, I believe, has an eidetic memory. I've heard this story for years, though not in relation specifically to the general handbook, but rather to manuals, pamphlets, lesson resources, etc. Edited May 2, 2011 by Wingnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexviper13 Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Source?Because your last sentence pretty much say's that he illegally smuggled in a religious book. I serious doubt the validity of that. If it's properly sources, then who's to argue?It's in a biography about him. My dad has it and I've read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanh Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 It's in a biography about him. My dad has it and I've read it.And I've heard him recount it in his own voice (recorded). The true story is as Suzie copied and pasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexviper13 Posted May 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 And I've heard him recount it in his own voice (recorded). The true story is as Suzie copied and pasted.I know what I read. He memorized it word for word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Oh my heck. Whether he knew it word for word or even close to it is amazing. Let's not squabble over something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Or you could go watch the Worldwide Leadership Training Broadcast in which he told this story and listen to him tell it himself. He does, in fact, state that it would be impossible for anyone to memorize the entire book.So unless you can provide a better reference than President Monson himself, I think I'm going to go with those that say he didn't memorize it word-for-word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 President Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines has an eidetic memory. He didn't need teleprompters/copy notes for his speeches. His memory is so good he can even say his entire speech backwards. Okay, so this didn't have anything to do with President Monson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I know what I read. He memorized it word for word.This is where I say, "then go get the book and post what it say's." I haven't read the book, so I'll go by Suzie's post because it is sources. That's the way it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGStacker Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 So how is it that we got a temple into East Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 So how is it that we got a temple into East Germany? The Freiberg Germany Temple was the first temple built in a communist nation and the first built on German soil.The Freiberg Germany Temple was originally named the Freiberg DDR Temple.At 7,840 square feet, the Freiberg Germany Temple was the smallest temple the Church had ever constructed.Following diligent efforts by the Church to obtain permission for its faithful couples to attend the Bern Switzerland Temple, the government asked if it might consider building a temple in East Germany. The Church gratefully accepted the invitation and built the Freiberg Germany Temple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madriglace Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Read "To the Rescue" Pres Monsons biography ... it was fabulous. The Chapters on the years he worked with the German people was amazing ... those saints suffered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 I love biographies and have yet to read President Monsons. I understand the book is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I love biographies and have yet to read President Monsons. I understand the book is awesome.Go over to the Mormon Channel and under Conversation, they interviewed the author. It's a really good listen. It will give a nice appreciation for the book and the work that went into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Phoenix Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Back when Spencer W. Kimball was prophet, Germany didn't allow any kind of religious book being brought into the country. The members of the church there would have to meet secretly due to country law. However, they had no church handbook. The leaders of the church was aware of the situation so Thomas S. Monson memorized the entire church handbook used at that time, went to Germany, and wrote what the church handbook said in it word for word to avoid the "no religious book" law.I lived in Germany when Kimball was President, no such laws existed of which I am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexviper13 Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I love biographies and have yet to read President Monsons. I understand the book is awesome.It is. What's interesting is he never served a mission yet he was a mission president and is currently the prophet on the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexviper13 Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Read "To the Rescue" Pres Monsons biography ... it was fabulous. The Chapters on the years he worked with the German people was amazing ... those saints suffered.That's the one my dad has and I've read it too. Thomas Monson is responsible for quite a bit. He's the reason the church is allowed in Germany, he's the one that set up how the current home and visiting teaching is supposed to be, and other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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