Temple recommend while on probation?

[Guest saintish]

This is something i've kinda wondered about; can someone (in theory) hold a temple reccomend while under informal, formal, or even disfellowshipment?

I seem to remember hearing about someone who couldn't partake of the sacrament but was commanded to go to the temple as part of the conditions of his probation ( I think it was formal probation, not sure though)

[skippy740]

Generally, no.

The only exception would be under the discretion of a Bishop who knows the real situation.

My thought is that if you can't partake of the sacrament, how can you be worthy to enter into the House of the Lord?

[Guest saintish]

That would be my though as well.

[MarginOfError]

You could do it under informal probation, since the bishop can do pretty much anything he wants to do under informal probation. But it does seem like an odd combination to me.

[Guest Sachi001]

Interview Questions for Recommends to Enter Temple

1. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2. Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and as his role of Savior and Redeemer?

3. Do you have a testimony of the Restoration of the gospel in the latter days?

4. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on earth who possesses and is authorized to excise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5. Do you live the law of chastity?

6. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teaching of the Church?

7. Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8. Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made to attend your sacrament and priesthood meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9. Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?

10. Are you a full-tithe payer?

11. Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12. Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

13. Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord’s house and participate in temple ordinances?

Therefore if you feel you are not up to these standards you should not be in the temple as HF should not be mocked.

Second per CHOI

Informal Church discipline is administered in private interviews. It does not affect a member’s standing in the Church (see 6.8). Formal Church discipline is administered in a disciplinary council and can affect a member’s standing in the Church (see 6.9 and 6.10).

The purposes of Church discipline are (1) to save the souls of transgressors, (2) to protect the innocent, and (3) to safeguard the purity, integrity, and good name of the Church.

also

The bishop’s role as a common judge does not end when a member has been disciplined. It continues until the person returns to full fellowship and, when necessary, receives a restoration of blessings. Disciplinary action should be the first step on the way back to the full blessings of Church membership. Leaders and members should be eager to help a person who has been disciplined to repent so he can enjoy these blessings. The bishop oversees these efforts.

The time just after a person has been disciplined is difficult and critical for the person and his family. During this time, priesthood leaders and other Church members should be patient and sensitive to the needs of those involved and should give special encouragement and assistance. The bishop frequently interviews the person and, if necessary, his spouse.

and

A person who is disfellowshipped is still a member of the Church but is no longer in good standing. Disfellowshipment is a severe action that may be adequate for all but the most serious transgressions.

A person who is disfellowshipped may not hold a temple recommend, serve in a Church position, or exercise the priesthood in any way. He is encouraged to attend public Church meetings if his conduct is orderly, but he may not give a talk, offer a public prayer, partake of the sacrament, or participate in the sustaining of Church officers. The presiding officer may impose additional conditions, such as staying away from pornographic materials and other evil influences. He may also impose positive conditions such as regular Church attendance, regular prayer, and reading selected scriptures or Church literature.

Disfellowshipped members are encouraged to pay tithes and offerings, to continue wearing temple garments if endowed, and to seek a return to fellowship in the Church through sincere repentance and righteous living.Disfellowshipment is intended to be temporary but usually lasts at least one year. When a member shows true repentance and satisfies the conditions imposed, the presiding officer may convene another disciplinary council to consider restoring him to full fellowship (see 6.12). If a member does not repent, the disciplinary council may continue disfellowshipment or consider excommunication.

Therefore informal discipline you can go to temple. Disfellowship no you can not enter.

Edited July 9, 2011 by Sachi001

[Guest saintish]

what about formal probation then? is it kinda up in the air?

[NeuroTypical]

Playing guessing games with the 'rules of church discipline' is pointless. Every case is unique. The CHI's directions are clear - and it's hard to find a page of that book where you don't see a direction along the lines of "seek and follow the direction of the spirit."

[Guest saintish]

I understand that, I guess I was looking more for anecdotal evidence or experience rather than a concrete book answer.

[mnn727]

I understand that, I guess I was looking more for anecdotal evidence or experience rather than a concrete book answer.

Why? You don't really want the actual answer???

[Vort]

Why? You don't really want the actual answer???

What fun are facts when you can get rumor and innuendo?

[Guest saintish]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, lets put it this way. I was looking for what has happened in practice and not what should happen in theory.

[Guest saintish]

What fun are facts when you can get rumor and innuendo?

thats a rather rude thing to say, who are you to question my motives?

[Vort]

thats a rather rude thing to say, who are you to question my motives?

My, aren't we feeling a bit prickly today?

[Blocky]

thats a rather rude thing to say, who are you to question my motives?

I think it's more of a comment on the direction threads take on the internet, not directed at your intentions personally. After all, we're here in an open discussion forum, not just on a site that has the hand book printed out. Like you said, you were looking more for anecdotal evidence or experience rather than a concrete book answer. It may have been a sarcastic reply, but there was truth in it.

[Guest saintish]

I sure hope this thread can take a civilized direction and that certian posters will refrain from Violating rule #4

"No bickering and nit-picking toward others. Realize that sometimes it is very difficult to be able to express how one feels through written words. Please be courteous and ask for a further explanation, rather then trying to attack and find holes in someone else's post."

[Vort]

saintish: The comment was meant to be funny, not cutting.

[Guest saintish]

saintish: The comment was meant to be funny, not cutting.

I'm not laughing

[Vort]

I'm not laughing

And therefore...?

[Vort]

I'm not laughing

I am! See my avatar for more insight.

[Guest saintish]

And therefore...?

Your comment wasn't funny or appropriate and is off topic.

[Vort]

Your comment wasn't funny or appropriate and is off topic.

I thought it was funny. Appropriate, too. As for off-topic...well, I think it was actually pretty on-topic for what it was responding to.

[Guest saintish]

now you're just being Asinine

[Vort]

now you're just being Asinine

With a capital 'A', no less!

[pam]

All right you guys...time out. Go back to your respective corners.

[Guest mysticmorini]

I've Heard of a member on probation keeping there temple recommend, cant remember if it was formal or not though. Hope that helps.