Question about eternal families, kingdoms of Heaven, and being gods.

[Ts82177]

What I been wondering is, if a family is sealed and a daughter moves on and gets sealed to her husband, and the father and the son-in-law become gods of different planets, wouldn't that mean the family isn't eternal?

Also, say you're the first generation of LDS in the family, and make it to the Celestial Kingdom, would that mean you would never see your family again? That sounds horrible.

Maybe I'm confused about the godhood thing, I see it as being a god of a planet and having eternal kids to populate your planet. But it seems like if everyone became a god it would split the family up, besides the husband and wife. Sons, daughters, parents, would all be on a different planet, right?

[Guest]

I don't think we have any understanding of what time and space will be like. For all we know, living on different planets would impact us as much as living in different neighborhoods. In which case, I hope my in-laws are in a different galaxy.

[Guest Sachi001]

If HF is able to transcend all the kingdoms. Then why would you think you would not be able to see family in the other glories?

The idea is we are all family, and are sealing to just not immediate family, but to eventually be linked to the firstborn Adam and Eve as one eternal family. We will all be linked. Except the sons of perdition.

The Godhood thing is your striving to be perfect. Like Christ strive to be perfect as HF. Since you are striving to be like Christ. Are you not striving to be a God?

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[Blocky]

I don't think physical location will hamper our associations with each other in the eternities.

I've never thought of us being stuck in one place anyways. We'll have worlds without end, we'll be able to go about as we want, not just be stuck on one planet.

As far as being a first generation, that doesn't matter at all. That's why we do work for the dead. Just because no one in your family has been baptized to the church before, that doesn't mean they won't accept it. We will be surrounded by those we love. I'm not sure it will be exactly the way we envision it here. We know that not everyone will be in the Celestial Kingdom. Death in this life isn't the end of new family and friends and relationships. Also, I'm under the assumption that if we are in the Celestial Kingdom, we can visit other kingdoms.

When it comes down to it, we don't know exactly how it will be. We're very limited in our understandings as we have mortal bodies, experience birth and death. Eternity can be down right intimidating! I do know that we are meant to be happy, especially in the eternities.

[MarginOfError]

What I been wondering is, if a family is sealed and a daughter moves on and gets sealed to her husband, and the father and the son-in-law become gods of different planets, wouldn't that mean the family isn't eternal?

Also, say you're the first generation of LDS in the family, and make it to the Celestial Kingdom, would that mean you would never see your family again? That sounds horrible.

Maybe I'm confused about the godhood thing, I see it as being a god of a planet and having eternal kids to populate your planet. But it seems like if everyone became a god it would split the family up, besides the husband and wife. Sons, daughters, parents, would all be on a different planet, right?

I think one of the biggest mistake we make in these kinds of discussions is to try and extrapolate our temporal experience onto the eternal experience. There's very little out there to suggest that everything in the eternities works exactly as we are familiar with it here.

When we talk about eternal families, we mean that the bonds that tie us together--bonds made through covenants--are immune to death. Ideally, all of God's children will be sealed together--to spouses, children, and parents. If we project onto that principle that families will be together forever, we're going to need one monstrous house to live in for eternity, and I don't want to be the one assigned to clean the bathroom.

Even if we try to simplify it and focus on living with our spouse and children, it breaks down rapidly when we consider that children grow up and have spouses of their own.

So, it seems highly unlikely that the 'eternal family' idea spoken of by God is all that similar to the idea of family as we understand it on earth. Unfortunately, that creates a lot more unsurety of what the eternities will be like, and I can't really address that other than to say, "He that is happy [in morality] will be happy still" (Mormon 9:14).

[Martain]

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Do you love your parents? Are they no longer your parents simply because you're married? Do you still visiting them?

Marriage does indeed change things. Your spouse becomes your world.

Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else.

What of your other questions?

And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power, are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

Do you wish to retain your titles of brother, son, father etc in the life to come? Then you must be sealed to the ones you love.

Many of your answers are found in D&C 76 & 88.

And again, verily I say unto you, the earth abideth the law of a celestial kingdom, for it filleth the measure of its creation, and transgresseth not the law—Wherefore, it shall be sanctified; yea, notwithstanding it shall die, it shall be quickened again, and shall abide the power by which it is quickened, and the righteous shall inherit it.

This earth will receive a Celestial glory. It will be the abode of those who receive a like glory.

Shall it always remain thus or shall we be limited to this sphere only?

If God is not, why shall we?

Edited August 5, 2011 by Martain

[Ts82177]

Thanks everyone! Definitely made me think differently about this topic.

[bytebear]

The Bible says our rewards in heaven will be beyond our comprehension. To limit it to science fiction concepts of space travel seems extremely limited.

[mordorbund]

Take a trip to the South for Model. My cousin decided it was time to move out and make his own way in life. So he moved out, bought himself his own trailor, AND PLOPPED IT RIGHT DOWN NEXT TO HIS PARENTS' TRAILOR. 3 of the four children did this.

[Seminarysnoozer]

What I been wondering is, if a family is sealed and a daughter moves on and gets sealed to her husband, and the father and the son-in-law become gods of different planets, wouldn't that mean the family isn't eternal?

Also, say you're the first generation of LDS in the family, and make it to the Celestial Kingdom, would that mean you would never see your family again? That sounds horrible.

Maybe I'm confused about the godhood thing, I see it as being a god of a planet and having eternal kids to populate your planet. But it seems like if everyone became a god it would split the family up, besides the husband and wife. Sons, daughters, parents, would all be on a different planet, right?

I like how MarginofError puts it, above.

I think one of the concepts to appreciate that makes understanding the purpose of eternal families a little clearer for me is to understand that eternal joy comes from sharing in the success of others. Our earthly family helps us appreciate that concept. For example, if my son does well in school and I see his happiness it makes me happy. Why do I feel it more and seemingly more happy when my son does well as opposed to any other kid? Because there is a bond of family.

Satan wanted to do things for himself and of himself, that concept is the exact opposite of what we really want. We want to learn how to find joy in the success of others. That is what pure charity is. God, being a charitable God wants us to succeed. And when we are children of God, He shares in our success, making His glory eternal and endless. Having an Eternal Family, in other words, is when a person lives by this 100% charitable concept, finding joy in the success of all those who we are linked together with in this eternal family bond. The more a person thrives on selfish individual success and accolades (and this is a scale, not an all or nothing) the further they are from Celestial glory. This is why family is such a central theme to our gospel and even in early development of the gospel this is the theme, such as the "chosen people" and the lineage of priesthood lines. "I am a child of God" is more than just describing our spiritual lineage.

[ConvinceTheWorld]

The Bible says our rewards in heaven will be beyond our comprehension.

"eye has not seen nor ear heard the things that God has in store for those that love him"

If I revealed all that has been made known to me, scarcely a man on this stand would stay with me." and "Brethren, if I were to tell you all I know of the kingdom of God, I do know that you would rise up and kill me. - Joseph Smith Jr.

[Blackmarch]

What I been wondering is, if a family is sealed and a daughter moves on and gets sealed to her husband, and the father and the son-in-law become gods of different planets, wouldn't that mean the family isn't eternal?

Also, say you're the first generation of LDS in the family, and make it to the Celestial Kingdom, would that mean you would never see your family again? That sounds horrible.

Maybe I'm confused about the godhood thing, I see it as being a god of a planet and having eternal kids to populate your planet. But it seems like if everyone became a god it would split the family up, besides the husband and wife. Sons, daughters, parents, would all be on a different planet, right?

Upper kingdom inhabitants can visit lower kingdoms.. So theoretically how much youd want to see or visit them would be up to you. Supposing youre celestial.

God doesnt live on this world yet were still his family... And certainly come an goes as he wishes. And i dont think he spends his time being a hermit.

Quite frankly i dont think location will be a barrier to being a family. Especially if one could travel as godspeed.

[Still_Small_Voice]

Here is my understanding of exaltation:

“How consoling to the mourners when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that, although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a god, and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before. What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. My Father worked out His kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom, I shall present it to My Father, so that He may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt Him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take His place, and thereby become exalted myself. So that Jesus treads in the tracks of His Father, and inherits what God did before; and God is thus glorified and exalted in the salvation and exaltation of all His children.” (Joseph Smith Junior, “The King Follett Sermon,” Ensign, April 1971)

[Snow]

What I been wondering is, if a family is sealed and a daughter moves on and gets sealed to her husband, and the father and the son-in-law become gods of different planets, wouldn't that mean the family isn't eternal?

Also, say you're the first generation of LDS in the family, and make it to the Celestial Kingdom, would that mean you would never see your family again? That sounds horrible.

Maybe I'm confused about the godhood thing, I see it as being a god of a planet and having eternal kids to populate your planet. But it seems like if everyone became a god it would split the family up, besides the husband and wife. Sons, daughters, parents, would all be on a different planet, right?

Gods of different planets???

That sounds like an anti-Mormon accusation. Where on earth did you get that idea?