Life in the Celestial Kingdom

[Traveler]

From everything I have learned of the gospel, I feel the opposite is true. We are fooling ourselves into thinking we don't want to live eternally with our Heavenly Father.

 

 

For what other purpose did we come to this earth, if not to progress, become like, and return to our Heavenly Father?

My experience is different than yours.  I have met several missionaries that thought a mission was something quite different than what they came to experience – and under the strain could not handle being a missionary.  I have also met individuals that thought marriage would be the end of all their problems (the marriage condition I believe to be similar to the Celestial Kingdom).   Having an incorrect view of things is a common reason to make decisions incorrectly and coming to regret things that should be good.

 

I am convinced that having a wrong impression about G-d and heaven is not a good path to happiness.  For this reason I believe that The Deceiver tries to create wrong impressions.  I honestly do not believe that faith is best served or ever served by ignorance.   The concept of being a disciple implies student and master teacher working in harmony.

[john doe]

No ESPN.....what am I gonna do? Lol

 

What would be the point? If everyone in the Celestial Kingdom performed to their full potential each contest, the end result would be a foregone conclusion.

[Seminarysnoozer]

The "others" would be those who we have been called to help or have stewardship over.

One of my personal beliefs (which might be completely incorrect) is that many things on earth are patterned after eternal concepts. For example, willing service to others is essential to salvation and it is an eternal principle that has no end. When pure service is given, it brings tremendous joy to both the person giving the service and the person receiving the gift.

Here on earth, the home and visiting teaching programs are one way we are able to give service. I feel that in the eternities there will be similar programs. Who we will be visiting and/or helping I do not know. I feel that there will always be a need to help others who are in mortality or in an immortal state.

My question wasn't pertaining to whether there would be others, that is certain.  The question was related to what "afflictions" and "struggles" would need attending.  Who is struggling and who is afflicted? 

 

Helping others is different than suggesting that there are people who are struggling or afflicted. I enjoy my daughters help when I am making dinner even if I am not struggling or afflicted.

 

The point I am trying to make is that Jesus overcomes all opposition for us.  Anyone in a kingdom will not have struggles or afflictions of any kind. That doesn't mean we wont progress or learn it just means that there will not be opportunity to fall off the path.  My testimony in Christ is that He overcomes all for us.  We will earn a state of rest from those types of labors, against affliction, or opposition.

 

If we are talking about people who have afflictions or struggles (i.e - in a mortal probation state) then I guess we are not talking about how it will be in the Celestial Kingdom.

[Seminarysnoozer]

My experience is different than yours.  I have met several missionaries that thought a mission was something quite different than what they came to experience – and under the strain could not handle being a missionary.  I have also met individuals that thought marriage would be the end of all their problems (the marriage condition I believe to be similar to the Celestial Kingdom).   Having an incorrect view of things is a common reason to make decisions incorrectly and coming to regret things that should be good.

 

I am convinced that having a wrong impression about G-d and heaven is not a good path to happiness.  For this reason I believe that The Deceiver tries to create wrong impressions.  I honestly do not believe that faith is best served or ever served by ignorance.   The concept of being a disciple implies student and master teacher working in harmony.

I am curious, what is your definition of "inheritance" as it pertains to the inheritance received upon entering a Kingdom of glory?

 

In other words, is the inheritance we receive just an opportunity to do it our self or is it actually something inherited without earning it oneself?

 

If one enters the Celestial Kingdom, what is inherited?

[Quin]

No ESPN.....what am I gonna do? Lol

Who says there won\\\'t be ESPN???

Granted, it might need another acronym if it broadcasts all sporting events, from all inhabited planets, in all the galaxies, in all of time.

Q

[Lakumi]

Who says there won\\\'t be ESPN???

Granted, it might need another acronym if it broadcasts all sporting events, from all inhabited planets, in all the galaxies, in all of time.

Q

I'll finally get to make the Forbidden Planet of the Siv's...but if it was truthful to its source material, the universe would have to fall under my rule...then I would be destroyed/banished, because the Siv answer to no force.

[Traveler]

I am curious, what is your definition of "inheritance" as it pertains to the inheritance received upon entering a Kingdom of glory?

 

In other words, is the inheritance we receive just an opportunity to do it our self or is it actually something inherited without earning it oneself?

 

If one enters the Celestial Kingdom, what is inherited?

 

Thank you for your question.  This is not hard for me to realize.  My earthly father was very wealthy and with the passing of both my parents, I with my siblings are inheriting somewhat of a windfall.  My mother loved to collect nativity scenes from all over the world.  She specified that each of her decedents should receive two.  There are over 100 decedents.  Her collection is easily worth in excess of $30,000 but her wish was that nothing be sold but kept as a family heirloom and passed on for generations.  My father collected art and it is difficult to address the worth of his collection.

 

But what I inherited from my parents is so much more than these things.  To be honest I am trying to get rid of things, not acquire more.  I am working with my brothers and sisters (some not active) to create a missionary fund in my parents name so that any decedent of my parents may serve a mission.  Missions were important to them.  In meeting with the Church attorney our fund will pay half the mission costs and the other cost will be met by the family or individual.  This is according to the advice of the church – hopefully the fund will last as long as missionaries are needed at which time any remaining funds will fall to the Church for whatever.  The first receiving missionary is the oldest son of my nephew (this summer) and my oldest granddaughter plans to go in 3 years.

 

Likewise I am not looking to inheriting power and glory in the Celestial Kingdom.  I do plan to be with my dear wife and hopefully she will be delighted to have me around.  I am doing everything I can now to ensure that inheritance.   My children and grandchildren (so far) are also a most importance inheritance to me.  But there is more.  I am looking forward to again associating with my ancestors – one in particular for reasons that are difficult to explain.  There are friendships I hope will also remain as an inheritance.  And because of strong family bonds that expand beyond generations I believe that when the veil is lifted I will remember the association of my heavenly Father and my first borne brother.  I intend that association to be part of my inheritance.   Beyond these things – I am not sure I am interested in other treasures, in fact I intend to get rid of a bunch of stuff – if possible but to put such things to good use by whoever needs or desires stuff.

[onethatislazy]

When Nephi saw a vision of the savior and his life mission he said something like Behold the Condescension of God.

 

Its worth pondering. Celestial Beings, ask yourself what does Jesus Christ do? What does Heavenly father do right now? What is their work? What is their Glory? (hint moses 1:39)

 

How do they do this work? Who works in the vineyard (Jacob 5)? How do they work in the vineyard? How do they bring about Glory?

 

Ss one world passes away... a new one shall come forth. His creations are without end.

 

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I believe those Gods that God reveals as Gods to be sons

of God,6 and all can cry, “Abba, Father!”7

 Sons of God who exalt themselves to be Gods, even from

before the foundation of the world,8

 and are the only Gods I have a reverence for. (TPJS 375) (http://scriptures.byu.edu/tpjs/TPJS.375.pdf)

 

 

In the lectures on Faith it says a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never will allow us to have the faith necessary to lay hold upon eternal life. Why is that? Because Eternal Beings Sacrifice for those whom they love.

[Seminarysnoozer]

Thank you for your question.  This is not hard for me to realize.  My earthly father was very wealthy and with the passing of both my parents, I with my siblings are inheriting somewhat of a windfall.  My mother loved to collect nativity scenes from all over the world.  She specified that each of her decedents should receive two.  There are over 100 decedents.  Her collection is easily worth in excess of $30,000 but her wish was that nothing be sold but kept as a family heirloom and passed on for generations.  My father collected art and it is difficult to address the worth of his collection.

 

But what I inherited from my parents is so much more than these things.  To be honest I am trying to get rid of things, not acquire more.  I am working with my brothers and sisters (some not active) to create a missionary fund in my parents name so that any decedent of my parents may serve a mission.  Missions were important to them.  In meeting with the Church attorney our fund will pay half the mission costs and the other cost will be met by the family or individual.  This is according to the advice of the church – hopefully the fund will last as long as missionaries are needed at which time any remaining funds will fall to the Church for whatever.  The first receiving missionary is the oldest son of my nephew (this summer) and my oldest granddaughter plans to go in 3 years.

 

Likewise I am not looking to inheriting power and glory in the Celestial Kingdom.  I do plan to be with my dear wife and hopefully she will be delighted to have me around.  I am doing everything I can now to ensure that inheritance.   My children and grandchildren (so far) are also a most importance inheritance to me.  But there is more.  I am looking forward to again associating with my ancestors – one in particular for reasons that are difficult to explain.  There are friendships I hope will also remain as an inheritance.  And because of strong family bonds that expand beyond generations I believe that when the veil is lifted I will remember the association of my heavenly Father and my first borne brother.  I intend that association to be part of my inheritance.   Beyond these things – I am not sure I am interested in other treasures, in fact I intend to get rid of a bunch of stuff – if possible but to put such things to good use by whoever needs or desires stuff.

Thanks for sharing that.

 

In the article shared in another thread from LDS.org "Becoming like God" it says; "In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”²⁸ Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”²⁹ Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.³⁰"

 

D&C 88; 107, explains that the inheritance is a fullness of His glory which will make the person equal with God.  How much glory and intelligence would it take to become equal with God?  That is what is received with an inheritance.  Inheritance is described as a fullness, not part.  Unlike earthly inheritances, a person may get part of what the parents had.  An eternal inheritance is everything.  If it is everything, what is left over?  .... nothing. The receiving of this fullness is what we call exaltation.  Exaltation is inherited, in the same way you received your inheritance (but a fullness).

 

This is, in part, explained by the story of the prodigal son.  The prodigal son thought his inheritance was a part only and so wanted it now.  He later came to realize, as well as the son that stayed, the inheritance is everything the father has.  That is true inheritance. 

 

How can the inheritance remain the same for everyone?   It is shared, not divided, like an earthly inheritance would be. We become one with God and therefore have access to all that He has, knows, powers, glory etc. is all included .... a fullness.  All that God has cannot be part or partitioned. A person would enter into that fullness upon entering their Kingdom.

 

Those who are resurrected in the first resurrection will receive this fullness.  What is a fullness?  D&C 76; "59 Wherefore, ^aall things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.  60 And they shall ^aovercome all things. 61 Wherefore, let no man ^aglory in man, but rather let him ^bglory in God, who shall ^csubdue all enemies under his feet."

 

The fullness of our inheritance will include everything God has and will have, there is nothing left to subdue or overcome.

[The Folk Prophet]

I am thinking that without a clear precise and accurate understanding of the Celestial Kingdom - we are fooling ourselves (perhaps even deceiving ourselves) in thinking we want to be there for all eternity.

 

This is a strange thing to have said. It implies that our desires for things beyond this life are or should be based in things we understand. That's clearly not the case. Our desires should be based in what God wants for us. He knows us better than we know ourselves. I mean, it's not even a close competition. We do not understand ourselves at all. We don't even understand our mortal existence. We certainly don't understand our eternal one. God does. God knows who we really are and what will truly make us happy. It comes down to simply trust.

[The Folk Prophet]

I wanna know what life is like in the other kingdoms, cause that's where my family and friends are going and that's probably where I will end up.

 

Are you entirely certain that you are accountable?

[The Folk Prophet]

....learning....

 

How can an all-knowing being learn?

 

2) We will be surprised at how many people are there because God is not a failed parent.

 

I think this is a very unfair thing to imply, particularly in light of parents who have done their best and had children go astray anyway. Being a successful or failed parent does not mean children lose their agency.

 

Did God fail with Satan? Was it God's failing? Of course not.

[The Folk Prophet]

I believe we'll have work that suits us and that we're very happy in. I believe that we will have all the time we desire with our loved ones. I believe we'll get to enjoy things that make us happy, like music, travel, food, art, sports, etc.

 

Respectfully, I think this is short-sighted. All things will be before us, past, present and future. All knowledge, all power, all glory. Any sport every played, any music ever created, will be before us, with perfect knowledge and understanding. Time will be meaningless, as past present and future are always before us. Time with loved ones will simply not exist in the same way we perceive time now.

 

In short, we cannot apply most mortal views of pleasure onto an eternal, glorified, perfected existence.

 

This response is related to other posts that have said similar things too, btw. So I hope it doesn't look like i'm just picking on your post or something.

[Traveler]

Thanks for sharing that.

 

In the article shared in another thread from LDS.org "Becoming like God" it says; "In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”²⁸ Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”²⁹ Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.³⁰"

 

D&C 88; 107, explains that the inheritance is a fullness of His glory which will make the person equal with God.  How much glory and intelligence would it take to become equal with God?  That is what is received with an inheritance.  Inheritance is described as a fullness, not part.  Unlike earthly inheritances, a person may get part of what the parents had.  An eternal inheritance is everything.  If it is everything, what is left over?  .... nothing. The receiving of this fullness is what we call exaltation.  Exaltation is inherited, in the same way you received your inheritance (but a fullness).

 

This is, in part, explained by the story of the prodigal son.  The prodigal son thought his inheritance was a part only and so wanted it now.  He later came to realize, as well as the son that stayed, the inheritance is everything the father has.  That is true inheritance. 

 

How can the inheritance remain the same for everyone?   It is shared, not divided, like an earthly inheritance would be. We become one with God and therefore have access to all that He has, knows, powers, glory etc. is all included .... a fullness.  All that God has cannot be part or partitioned. A person would enter into that fullness upon entering their Kingdom.

 

Those who are resurrected in the first resurrection will receive this fullness.  What is a fullness?  D&C 76; "59 Wherefore, ^aall things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.  60 And they shall ^aovercome all things. 61 Wherefore, let no man ^aglory in man, but rather let him ^bglory in God, who shall ^csubdue all enemies under his feet."

 

The fullness of our inheritance will include everything God has and will have, there is nothing left to subdue or overcome.

 

I am not sure I communicated very well - the worthwhile inheritance I received from my father is not measured in money and things – but more so in knowledge and understanding.  My father’s wealth is not money and things and that is the point.  Wealth is the only possible result from such knowledge and understanding that I received from my father.  But this kind of knowledge and understanding does not come from watching – it comes from experiencing.

 

When you share a bank account it is diminished by the number you share it with.  But knowledge and understanding is radically different.  Not only is knowledge and understanding not diminished by sharing – the reality is that it is enhanced and increased.  The Prodigal Son is not about who gets property, sheep and titles – it is about coming to one’s senses and thus behaving differently – which also means seeing things, using things and desiring things of inheritance differently.

[mordorbund]

I am thinking that without a clear precise and accurate understanding of the Celestial Kingdom - we are fooling ourselves (perhaps even deceiving ourselves) in thinking we want to be there for all eternity.

 

 

This is a strange thing to have said. It implies that our desires for things beyond this life are or should be based in things we understand. That's clearly not the case. Our desires should be based in what God wants for us. He knows us better than we know ourselves. I mean, it's not even a close competition. We do not understand ourselves at all. We don't even understand our mortal existence. We certainly don't understand our eternal one. God does. God knows who we really are and what will truly make us happy. It comes down to simply trust.

 

I think what Traveler is getting at is illustrated by the sorcerer's wish in Disney's Aladdin. He saw the "phenomenal cosmic power" and craved it. He wished it and got that AND "itty-bitty living space". I don't think anyone would say that the whole package was his desire.

 

Or as another example, how many people do you know that want to be millionaires? No, I mean really want to be a millionaire for the rest of their lives? Just to clarify, I'm talking about people who want to buy used cars, learn to fix things themselves, do without the latest gadgets (or even any version of the gadget, as the case may be). If they want a high-paying job to pay for it, do they want the whole package? Do they want their profession to always be "on", so that when they're not "on the clock", they're learning more about their trade and gaining the skills that keep them in the competitive minority?

 

Or how many people want to be as skinny as that actress on tv eating a pizza and downing a soda? Would they still want to be as skinny as that actress if they saw she maintains that weight by really eating lower-calorie meals, exercise, and NOT by eating pizza and soda.

 

So, bringing it back to Traveler's example, how many people really want to be citizens in the Celestial Kingdom if they find out that the glory is really service? Or that the price of admittance is discipline? Or that our final rest is actually really hard work? Or that a lot of our endeavors involve exactly that gospel principle that I find so frustrating!?

 

I think Traveler has a valid point that in order to really desire it, you have to recognize the whole package and desire the whole thing.

[Traveler]

This is a strange thing to have said. It implies that our desires for things beyond this life are or should be based in things we understand. That's clearly not the case. Our desires should be based in what God wants for us. He knows us better than we know ourselves. I mean, it's not even a close competition. We do not understand ourselves at all. We don't even understand our mortal existence. We certainly don't understand our eternal one. God does. God knows who we really are and what will truly make us happy. It comes down to simply trust.

I think there is a misunderstanding.  We will receive according to the desire of our heart - not the desire of G-d.  (See D&C 137:9)  I believe that part of the Plan of Salvation is to gain knowledge from which we may define our desire.  It is about agency and choice.  How can anyone make a choice in ignorance?   I do not believe for a second that the agency G-d gives to man requires that we makes blind choices of ignorance.  In fact I believe that is the essence of Satan's efforts and in part why he is called the deciever.

[Traveler]

I think what Traveler is getting at is illustrated by the sorcerer's wish in Disney's Aladdin. He saw the "phenomenal cosmic power" and craved it. He wished it and got that AND "itty-bitty living space". I don't think anyone would say that the whole package was his desire.

 

Or as another example, how many people do you know that want to be millionaires? No, I mean really want to be a millionaire for the rest of their lives? Just to clarify, I'm talking about people who want to buy used cars, learn to fix things themselves, do without the latest gadgets (or even any version of the gadget, as the case may be). If they want a high-paying job to pay for it, do they want the whole package? Do they want their profession to always be "on", so that when they're not "on the clock", they're learning more about their trade and gaining the skills that keep them in the competitive minority?

 

Or how many people want to be as skinny as that actress on tv eating a pizza and downing a soda? Would they still want to be as skinny as that actress if they saw she maintains that weight by really eating lower-calorie meals, exercise, and NOT by eating pizza and soda.

 

So, bringing it back to Traveler's example, how many people really want to be citizens in the Celestial Kingdom if they find out that the glory is really service? Or that the price of admittance is discipline? Or that our final rest is actually really hard work? Or that a lot of our endeavors involve exactly that gospel principle that I find so frustrating!?

 

I think Traveler has a valid point that in order to really desire it, you have to recognize the whole package and desire the whole thing.

[The Folk Prophet]

I think there is a misunderstanding.  We will receive according to the desire of our heart - not the desire of G-d.  (See D&C 137:9)  I believe that part of the Plan of Salvation is to gain knowledge from which we may define our desire.  It is about agency and choice.  How can anyone make a choice in ignorance?   I do not believe for a second that the agency G-d gives to man requires that we makes blind choices of ignorance.  In fact I believe that is the essence of Satan's efforts and in part why he is called the deciever.

 

Yeah...not seeing it.

 

Proverbs 3:5

 5 ¶^aTrust in the Lord with all thine ^bheart; and lean not unto thine ^cown ^dunderstanding.

 

I don't know of any scripture or gospel principle that says, "Make sure you understand before you choose." Rather, the teachings lead to putting our trust in God, relying wholly upon the merits of He who is mighty to save, having faith, etc, The fact is, we cannot understand. And yet we are commanded to accept Christ, keep His commandments, come unto Him, and receive of our inheritance regardless. If we must only make choices with complete knowledge then none of us can choose.

[Traveler]

Yeah...not seeing it.

 

Proverbs 3:5

 5 ¶^aTrust in the Lord with all thine ^bheart; and lean not unto thine ^cown ^dunderstanding.

 

I don't know of any scripture or gospel principle that says, "Make sure you understand before you choose." Rather, the teachings lead to putting our trust in God, relying wholly upon the merits of He who is mighty to save, having faith, etc, The fact is, we cannot understand. And yet we are commanded to accept Christ, keep His commandments, come unto Him, and receive of our inheritance regardless. If we must only make choices with complete knowledge then none of us can choose.

If a decision is made in ignorance - it is at its essence a guess not a true choice.

 

Consider Acts 17:30.  The reason we can repent is because we are in a veiled state where we do not understand.  Repentance is in essence the opportunity to change your mind about something you have done without knowledge.  I do not believe repentance is possible for those that sin with full knowledge.

 

But I believe you bring up a good point concerning salvation.  I personally believe that up to the point that we make decisions based on knowledge we can repent but choices made in the full light of knowledge – there is no repentance – or changing our minds.  It would be a contradiction and mean that we did not make one of the choices but that one of the choices had another cause other than us.

 

But we are just scratching the surface of choice and agency and our fallen condition where the abiding principle is faith.  Faith being a willingness to experiment (as Alma suggests) in order to gain knowledge and understanding that we can make an eternal choice.  Here is a thought for you – That you live out your individual life not according to a plan and destiny determined by G-d but to a plan and destiny of your creation.  That your mortal experience is an unfolding of your own agency.

[Windseeker]

To be blunt, I understood what Traveler was saying and found it a bit condescending.

 

Perhaps not all will desire exaltation, but as I stated in my response, it's the reason we all chose to come down here in the first place. On top of that it's something our Father in Heaven wants for each of his children. Remember he looked on our spirits and declared them Good.

 

I find this way of thinking antithesis to the 'Good News' and totally pointless. We don't send missionaries out to warn people that they might not want to return to their Heavenly Father because we might not like living with him.

 

It also ignores the principle that desire leads to faith. It's a little odd to question someone's desire after they have worked that desire to point of faith in G-d.

 

15 And it came to pass that after Aaron had expounded these things unto him, the king said: What shall I do that I may have this eternal life of which thou hast spoken? Yea, what shall I do that I may be born of God, having this wicked spirit rooted out of my breast, and receive his Spirit, that I may be filled with joy, that I may not be cast off at the last day? Behold, said he, I will give up all that I possess, yea, I will forsake my kingdom, that I may receive this great joy.

 

16 But Aaron said unto him: If thou desirest this thing, if thou wilt bow down before God, yea, if thou wilt repent of all thy sins, and will bow down before God, and call on his name in faith, believing that ye shall receive, then shalt thou receive the hope which thou desirest.

 

~Alma 22:16

 

 

Aren't we glad that Aaron didn't say.."are you sure you really know what you desire, because living with him might be hard work?"

 

Why do I think we naturally want to return and become like him? It's simply because his joy is fuller and greater then ours and he wants us to share in that joy.

[The Folk Prophet]

If a decision is made in ignorance - it is at its essence a guess not a true choice.

 

A child staying out of the road in spite of their not truly understanding the danger is not a guess. The child still has the ability to choose to obey their parents. And a choice not to obey their parents might lead to tragedy, despite whether it is a choice, guess, or simple intimidation. Regardless, staying out of the road is better for the child and it is wise for the child to trust their parents in this regard, whether they understand it or not.

 

The level of our understanding as compared to God's is so much more so significant than a small child's understanding is to ours that the very idea that we can or should understand before obedience is almost laughable.

 

The thing is, I don't entirely disagree with you, or think every point you're making is invalid. We agree, for instance, that our overall paths will be determined by our own agency. But that agency, as I see it, is to be guided by a strict trust in God, not by a strict adherence to what we do and do not understand.

[The Folk Prophet]

It also ignores the principle that desire leads to faith. It's a little odd to question someone's desire after they have worked that desire to point of faith in G-d.

 

I am very glad you added in the idea of working one's desire. Sometimes there's a perspective that desire is simply based on who we are, like we have no say in it. Desire is a choice. As we stand, most of us would not desire to be in the Celestial Kingdom. Neither would a toddler desire a difficult but satisfying career. Things change, and they change on choice. There is no standing still. We either work our desires towards Gods' will or away from them. If we trust Him and thereby work our wills and desires to align with His, we will someday all arrive where we will be suited for that state of a fullness of joy.

[Windseeker]

I am very glad you added in the idea of working one's desire. Sometimes there's a perspective that desire is simply based on who we are, like we have no say in it. Desire is a choice. As we stand, most of us would not desire to be in the Celestial Kingdom. Neither would a toddler desire a difficult but satisfying career. Things change, and they change on choice. There is no standing still. We either work our desires towards Gods' will or away from them. If we trust Him and thereby work our wills and desires to align with His, we will someday all arrive where we will be suited for that state of a fullness of joy.

 

I agree, it also goes without saying that we need to be careful of what we desire. 

 

Other then questioning the strength of our desire, I just don't see the purpose of questioning whether or not we should desire based on things we don't know and purposely may never know (see Faith) in this life, once those desires are aimed in the right direction.

[Windseeker]

So back to "Life in the Celestial Kingdom" and more fun but pointless musings..

 

...what about sex?

 

If we remove what Satan has warped and twisted to meet his purposes what is left? Will it follow into the eternities?

 

Obviously our drive here is part physical yet also part spiritual in the sense that we want to create. Will we have that same drive? Will we find those with a greater capacity\ability to create more attractive? Will we still be attracted physically?

[The Folk Prophet]

So back to "Life in the Celestial Kingdom" and more fun but pointless musings..

 

...what about sex?

 

If we remove what Satan has warped and twisted to meet his purposes what is left? Will it follow into the eternities?

 

Obviously our drive here is part physical yet also part spiritual in the sense that we want to create. Will we have that same drive? Will we find those who can create greater more attractive? Will we still be attracted physically?

 

I will say this just to lay it out there, and I've said it before, and then I'll stay out of this one. I think this sort of discussion skirts the edge, and thereby runs the risk, of profaning that which is holy.