Rachal Dolezal: *Not* Sorry

[Ironhold]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/25/rachel-dolezal-not-going-stoop-apologise-grovel

Rachal Dolezal, the woman who lied about her race to obtain several positions and financial assistance, has been unable to find a job since the revelation was made and is facing the constant threat of eviction, yet isn't sorry in the least for what she did. 

Does she not realize how much she undermined the causes she was supporting by all of this? 

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

I totally agree.  She not only undermined any causes she was supporting, but she is feeding people's negative stereotypes about black people.  

[estradling75]

eh... she is a symptom... if society as a group no longer cares what parts you are born with to determine it you are in the boys club or the girls club...  why would we have any grounds for making skin color a definer what racial groups people should want to be?

The simple fact is that society is messed up and sick.. and she is just part of the symptom that shows it.

 

 

 

[yjacket]

1 hour ago, estradling75 said:

eh... she is a symptom... if society as a group no longer cares what parts you are born with to determine it you are in the boys club or the girls club...  why would we have any grounds for making skin color a definer what racial groups people should want to be?

The simple fact is that society is messed up and sick.. and she is just part of the symptom that shows it.

So this. I think it just shows the lunacy of going down this road; if we can't as a society say boys are boys and girls are girls then this is just the logical extension of it.  If we as a society can't say boys are boys and girls are girls then why not this.

[Guest MormonGator]

While I think what she did was wrong, to me her refusing to apologize is worse. I feel a little bit sorry for her. In the social media age a thing like this will stick with you forever. That is a very big burden for someone so young. 

Do you remember that CFO who tore into the Chick-fil-A cashier over gay marriage a few years ago? Like everyone else, I was glad to see him get fired and also go on food stamps. Karma, after all. Then I read that the cashier herself forgave him and hoped he got back on his feet. I think we all (myself included) could learn a lot from her. In my view, Dolezal didn't do anything as bad as that guy did. Even if she did, I am a Christian (like most of us here) and believe in redemption. It all starts by saying "I'm sorry", which she hasn't done. Again, that's my key issue with her.  

I hope Ms. Dolezal learns her lesson and recovers from this. 

Edited February 27, 2017 by MormonGator

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

That is a very big burden for someone so young.

... It all starts by saying "I'm sorry", which she hasn't done. Again, that's my key issue with her.  

I hope Ms. Dolezal learns her lesson and recovers from this. 

She's 39 years old.  Young by "my" standards (ahem).  But she's certainly old enough to have known better.  She wholly obtained a position by lying.  When confronted, she doubled down on the lie and continued.  I really wonder is she is mentally ill.  That's not just an insult.  That's all I can figure would drive a person to continue in a lie that is so blatant and obvious after she has been exposed to the entire world and decide she can convince the entire world that it is otherwise.

And to consider that she is still not sorry even after she's being socially punished for her behavior really leads me to believe that whatever drover her to this has been or at least has become a mental illness.

I wish she could learn her lesson from this.  But if it is some kind of mental illness, then it's not a matter of "learning".  I really feel sorry for her.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Guest

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

She's 39 years old.  Young by "my" standards (ahem).  But she's certainly old enough to have known better.  She wholly obtained a position by lying.  When confronted, she doubled down on the lie and continued.  I really wonder is she is mentally ill.  That's not just an insult.  That's all I can figure would drive a person to continue in a lie that is so blatant and obvious after she has been exposed to the entire world and decide she can convince the entire world that it is otherwise.

And to consider that she is still not sorry even after she's being socially punished for her behavior really leads me to believe that whatever drover her to this has been or at least has become a mental illness.

I wish she could learn her lesson from this.  But if it is some kind of mental illness, then it's not a matter of "learning".  I really feel sorry for her.

I'm not saying what she did was right, I'm not saying what she did was moral (it wasn't). I'm saying that she was wrong, she might have even broke laws.  Believe me, I know she is hardly a sympathetic figure. That's why she needs it more than anyone else right now.

[Vort]

She worked hard to preach a false, damnable gospel of hatred and entitlement. The fact that she was brazenly lying about herself the whole time simply underscores her life of lies.

Seeing as how we already know she's an unrepentant liar, I do not see any reason to believe her latest hard-luck sob story. It may or may not be accurate, but if I'm putting down $100 on an over/under, I'll go with "not".

[Just_A_Guy]

10 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

I totally agree.  She not only undermined any causes she was supporting, . . .

For this reason I say to her:  you go, girl!

I mean, yeah, lying and dishonesty are bad, blah blah blah.  But in the age of Trump/Clinton such arguments are largely passé.

The simple fact is, for forty years we've been telling kids that being white was something to be ashamed of; something that yoked you to a lifetime of penance.  With governmental blessing, being a minority--in conjunction with better-than-average academic promise--was the gateway to preferential treatment in academia, in employment, in politics, in being able to be proud of who you were and where you were (perceived to be) from.

Is it really any surprise that Dolezal concluded that being white is a sucker's game, and morphed her identity accordingly?

Identity politics presupposes that individuals retain the identities you've assigned to them.  Hence, Dolezal's threat.  It's the same reason Communism didn't make deeper inroads in the US--a critical mass of poor people, who the commies needed for their support, just wouldn't stay poor.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Just_A_Guy

[unixknight]

To be honest, I don't think she's wrapped too tight and that's the problem.  I did a little reading about her, her upbringing and experiences and while I'm not going to claim to be an expert on her, I get the strong impression that she's been damaged mentally by her experiences. 

It seems when the story broke and everybody started reacting negatively to her, the part that shocked her the most was the fact that the black community was generally angry with her.  She feels betrayed because she seems to believe that she'd been working hard on behalf of black people and just doesn't understand why they don't appreciate it. 

But that's where the disconnect is.  If she were to encounter racism against blacks, all she has to do is chameleon back to being white to avoid it.  Black people don't have that option.  When they encounter racism they have to deal with it.  It's for that reason this woman is such a phony, but also something she just doesn't seem to be able to grasp.