Are the Celestial Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdoms physical places or a state of being?

[Mike]

  On 4/26/2017 at 10:41 PM, Eowyn said:

I'm going to guess that she's giving you excitations.

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Hahaha, I'll say. And I love the colorful clothes she wears and the way the sunlight plays upon her hair  <3

 

[Rob Osborn]

  On 4/26/2017 at 9:48 PM, Traveler said:

 

Hmmmmmmmmm - If you are interested - I would suggest some reading: "Dynastic Oracle and Suzerainty Trety" by Philip Caldetone and "Divine Kingship in the Ancient Near East by Ivan Engnell.  Perhaps there is actual reason why G-d and the prophets reference the divine order as a “kingdom”.  There are much more than the loose interpretations often assumed in our modern religious community.  The LDS references to Celestial society (as well as the church) as a “Kingdom” may be far more inspired than many realize – helping to better understand concepts like divine covenants, taking upon one the name of Christ, what it means to believe in the Suzerain of the kingdom, what it means to be one with the Suzerain (insights into the G-dhead as separate individuals that have the same title of “King”), what constitutes recognition, the rights of citizens of the Kingdom among other “things”.

 

The Traveler

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Even though we are part of the "kingdom" of God on this earth, its not of a celestial glory but rather a telestial. Until our location changes, our laws change, etc, we will continue in that glory.

[Traveler]

  On 4/27/2017 at 12:30 AM, Rob Osborn said:

Even though we are part of the "kingdom" of God on this earth, its not of a celestial glory but rather a telestial. Until our location changes, our laws change, etc, we will continue in that glory.

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I do not disagree as much as I am convinced that there is so much more – a lot more lines upon lines upon lines and more precepts upon precepts upon precepts.

 

The Traveler

[wenglund]

  On 4/26/2017 at 4:53 AM, Zarahemla said:

This was brought up in another thread but I feel it deserves it's own thread. It says in scripture that there are different glories. There are even 3 degrees in the Celestial glory. All will be with the Father in Celestial glory. Could it be that Celestial terrestrial and Telestial glory are not separate locations but separate experiences and state of beings? That way everyone can have their personalized heaven and it makes sense when you go through the different stages of the endowment. I'm coming around to the idea that celestial glory is more about what kind of body we are resurrected with.

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This is similar to asking whether Babylon and Zion are places or states of being..

It is also somewhat like asking whether America (United States) is a place or state of being. It is not only a question of geographic boundaries and domicile, but also of citizenship and culture and spirit. 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited April 27, 2017 by wenglund

[Rob Osborn]

  On 4/27/2017 at 7:31 PM, wenglund said:

This is similar to asking whether Babylon and Zion are places or states of being..

It is also somewhat like asking whether America (United States) is a place or state of being. It is not only a question of geographic boundaries and domicile, but also of citizenship and culture and spirit. 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

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It is always a place.

[wenglund]

  On 4/27/2017 at 9:25 PM, Rob Osborn said:

It is always a place.

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Maybe. But is it always just a place?

I say "maybe" because, America is fast becoming something quite different from the America I once knew. And, some places that were once Babylon have become more like Zion, and vice-versa.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Rob Osborn]

  On 4/27/2017 at 9:36 PM, wenglund said:

Maybe. But is it always just a place?

I say "maybe" because, America is fast becoming something quite different from the America I once knew. And, some places that were once Babylon have become more like Zion, and vice-versa.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

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In one sense we are commanded to build up Zion in our homes, communities, etc. In another sense we as a people, those called the pure in heart, are called Zion and are tied in to the places we dwell in or upon.

So yeah, I think you are right.

[askandanswer]

  On 4/26/2017 at 1:33 PM, zil said:

That's what Relief Society Presidents are for, you know, to offer relief.

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[Blackmarch]

  On 4/26/2017 at 4:53 AM, Zarahemla said:

This was brought up in another thread but I feel it deserves it's own thread. It says in scripture that there are different glories. There are even 3 degrees in the Celestial glory. All will be with the Father in Celestial glory. Could it be that Celestial terrestrial and Telestial glory are not separate locations but separate experiences and state of beings? That way everyone can have their personalized heaven and it makes sense when you go through the different stages of the endowment. I'm coming around to the idea that celestial glory is more about what kind of body we are resurrected with.

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it's both.

[Bobway]

I found this reference in the Bhagavad-Gita which is Hindu scripture from ancient India that I found quite interesting in how it relates to the 3 Kingdoms of glory; Sattva being Celestial, Rajas being Terrestial and Tamas being Telestial. Not what is our doctrine but the belief does have some striking similarities.

Correspondences of the Three Gunas

Color

Sattva – White, purity and harmony
Rajas – Red, action and passion
Tamas – Black, darkness and delusion

Time

Sattva – Day, clarity
Rajas – Sunrise and Sunset, twilight, transition
Tamas – Night, darkness

Energy

Sattva – neutral or balanced
Rajas – positive, sets things in motion
Tamas – negative, retards motion

Worlds

Sattva – heaven or space, the region of peace
Rajas – atmosphere, the region of storms
Tamas – earth, the realm of gravity and inertia

Levels of Cosmos

Sattva – causal or ideal
Rajas – subtle or astral, pure form
Tamas – gross or physical

Kingdoms of Nature

Sattva – spiritual beings: Gods, Goddesses and sages
Rajas – human realm
Tamas – mineral, plant and animal kingdoms

States of Consciousness

Sattva – waking
Rajas – dream
Tamas – deep sleep

Edited May 5, 2017 by Bobway

[JohnsonJones]

An interesting thought in regards to questions people have about where the Terrestrial and Telestial kingdoms will be.

It is possible that this world and the Spirit World are both here.  This means that this world has different places or existences (dimensions, not sure how one would phrase it).

In that light, perhaps a world can exist in every state it has previously existed, up to the highest existence it contains.  Thus, our world, having already had the spiritual existence, also has that existence still.

In that light, when it is Celestial and rules over the Terrestrial and Telestial, perhaps it is possible both will also be in the same world, but just as the Spirit world and Our Physical world are on different planes of existence, so to will they be.

 

Just a thought, not an opinion or anything else, just something that I thought of when reading through the thread.