The "oneness" Of The Father And Son

[Gaia]

Hello Everyone --

Since we've gotten into some pretty far-out disusisons, i thought it might be a good idea to come back to some good, basic and essential gospel doctrine --

Would anyone like to start this discussion on How the Father and Son are "One"?

Blessings --

~Gaia

[MadHatter]

[Gillebre]

I'm going to post for you a youtube video that has a "spotlight" of how they are "one", later.

It requires you to look for what I'm talking about, but I'll also include an explanation for you. :)

[Adomini22]

I think its funny that every single discussion and thread, Mad Hatter posts a sign that says" Do not feed the Troll". Every post......... lol. As for her answer to that question, its in the BoM and the Bible.

[MadHatter]

that's because certian posters on this forum are indeed trolls

[prisonchaplain]

Would anyone like to start this discussion on How the Father and Son are "One"?

Essentially.

[Dr T]

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Would anyone like to start this discussion on How the Father and Son are "One"?

Essentially.

Well said PC :)

[Snow]

A point worth repeating.

[Maureen]

Would anyone like to start this discussion on How the Father and Son are "One"?

In my own layman's terms (with a little help from PC), this is how I see it.

God is One, if the Father is God and the Son is God, then the Father and Son are essentially One God.

M.

[Doctor Steuss]

I assume that once I figure out how two anthropomorphic mortals can be "one flesh," then I might be able to slowly figure out the "oneness" of the Father and the Son...

(Genesis 2:24 & Mark 10: 8)

[Dr T]

I don't see how those two concepts go together Doctor S.

[a-train]

Dr. T, PC, Maureen,

Just so I understand. And, you may have all told me this before. But respectively: Are you of the opinion that the Father and Son have individual corporeal bodies?

Forgive my ignorance and forgetfulness.

-a-train

[Doctor Steuss]

I don't see how those two concepts go together Doctor S.

Both are "mysteries." (Ephesians 5:32) But, I see what you're saying, the two concepts don't really go together all that well. Perhaps I should have said:

I assume that once I figure out how a group of anthropomorphic mortals can be "one," in the same way that Christ and the Father are one, then I might be able to slowly figure out the "oneness" of the Father and the Son...

(John 17:21-22)

[prisonchaplain]

Dr. T, PC, Maureen,

Just so I understand. And, you may have all told me this before. But respectively: Are you of the opinion that the Father and Son have individual corporeal bodies?

Forgive my ignorance and forgetfulness.

-a-train

No. I understand the Father to be spirit and non-corporeal. The Son became flesh, and I understand that He does retain his body, though in a glorified state.

[a-train]

PC,

So would you say that the Father and Son are two distinct co-eternal individuals? Also, is the Holy Ghost a third distinct individual? (I know some believe the Holy Spirit to be the power and influence of God and NOT a conscious Being).

a-train

[Dr T]

I hold on to the belief that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. With that in mind we are told that there is ONE God. The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit and the Father is not the Holy Spirit or Jesus, and the same is true for the Holy Spirit not being the Father or the Son. They are distinct personages but make up One God.

[a-train]

Dr. T,

Thanks. Now, do you believe the Father has a corporeal body, or the Son only as PC?

-a-train

[Dr T]

I belief that Jesus always existed and became incarnate in the bodily form of Jesus Christ. When the Bible talks of God the Father with anthopomorphic statements, it is not to be taken literally. The Bible even says something about being under the "wing" of God and in the same way, I do not see him as a bird, I don't see him having a human body.

[Doctor Steuss]

I belief that Jesus always existed and became incarnate in the bodily form of Jesus Christ. When the Bible talks of God the Father with anthopomorphic statements, it is not to be taken literally. The Bible even says something about being under the "wing" of God and in the same way, I do not see him as a bird, I don't see him having a human body.

Thank goodness there's that "as" thrown in there so we know that it is a simile and don't have to even debate whether or not He is a bird.

[Maureen]

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Dr. T, PC, Maureen,

Just so I understand. And, you may have all told me this before. But respectively: Are you of the opinion that the Father and Son have individual corporeal bodies?

Forgive my ignorance and forgetfulness.

No. I understand the Father to be spirit and non-corporeal. The Son became flesh, and I understand that He does retain his body, though in a glorified state.

Ditto for me, on what PC said.

PC,

So would you say that the Father and Son are two distinct co-eternal individuals? Also, is the Holy Ghost a third distinct individual? (I know some believe the Holy Spirit to be the power and influence of God and NOT a conscious Being).

Yes, I believe that the Father is a distinct individual from the Son and Holy Spirit, each are distinct persons. I believe they are one God because they all have the same essense or nature, which is divine. And since there is only ONE divine nature, which is God, they are God.

M. :)

[Doctor Steuss]

Yes, I believe that the Father is a distinct individual from the Son and Holy Spirit, each are distinct persons. I believe they are one God because they all have the same essense or nature, which is divine. And since there is only ONE divine nature, which is God, they are God.

M. :)

This is pretty close to my beliefs (although they are currently slightly in flux).

[Annabelli]

Doctor Steuss: This is pretty close to my beliefs (although they are currently slightly in flux).

Could you explain what that means? I am thinking that flux is meant as some sort of changing or is it meant as preparing?

[Doctor Steuss]

Doctor Steuss: This is pretty close to my beliefs (although they are currently slightly in flux).

Could you explain what that means? I am thinking that flux is meant as some sort of changing or is it meant as preparing?

Changing (and hopefully growing). I've been reading some of Blake Ostler's views (in particular I just finished reading his [for the fourth time] article in Element: The Journal of the Society for Mormon Philosophy and Theology on "Re-vision-ing the Mormon Concept of Deity") lately, and they have caused me to have to do some re-examining of my beliefs of what exactly "god/G-d/God/etc." mean(s) as well as the term "Godhead."

[prisonchaplain]

Atrain, my belief is that God is three distinct persons, one essential God. The belief that the Holy Spirit is a power and influence is that of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Snow]

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Would anyone like to start this discussion on How the Father and Son are "One"?

Essentially.

Yes - that's what Constantine thought - but he wasn't even Christian... but he did threaten to kill those Christians, including Bishops, that didn't agree with him. Needless to say, they agreed with him.