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32 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

When nothing of stellar intellectual wonderment is available, resort to a bear meme:

I would laugh, except it's true rather than funny.

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On 7/17/2021 at 7:25 AM, Carborendum said:

@Traveler

.... you often misread things so badly that I wonder if we're in the same conversation.  I'm doing the following because I know you're being sincere.  And I have enough respect for you that I'm willing to go through the extra effort to clarify my position to you.  I wouldn't be willing to go through this effort if it were anyone else.

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ONCE AGAIN: I have NO problem with having open discussion of ideas.  I have a problem with the format and the quantity.  And it will be a rare teacher and a rare classroom where toxic ideas are discussed in an open format with NO prejudice or NO academic / social consequences for disagreeing.  Yes, it happens.  Of course it does.  But it is RARE.

I have been pondering this subject for some time.  First let me clarify that in no way do I support Critical Race Theory.  I believe even a 10 year old with an IQ above room temperature would realize that even the arguments for CRT are so badly thought out that such thinking defeats itself and proves the theory false.   Of course every adult has a responsibility and obligation to protect little children.  I remained convinced that the best (only effective) way to protect anyone from false and dark claims is with truth.  I am of the opinion that home schooling children as the cure to CRT is like trying to plug one critical hole in a dam with 20 critical holes, cracks and other issues.  I do not think such will be effective for solving the current or the coming problems - not even close.  

Let me turn to a story in the Book of Mormon.  We have all read about the "Stripling Warriors".  I think we underestimate children armed with truth and divine virtue.   According to my calculations the stripling warriors were deacon age.  Think of sending the deacons in your ward into a battle against trained, aged and experienced counterparts!!!  I dare say that few would even consider facing such a foe themselves.   I find it interesting that the success of the stripling warriors was not from what they learned from their fathers - but rather from their mothers.  I have often pondered why under such circumstance such a comment was made.

I grew up in the 50's and 60's.  Pornography was not easy to come by in my youth - but I was aware of it as much as my parents attempted to isolate it from me.  When it did show up it was because some kid found it hidden in his father's stash of such stuff.   Today such stuff comes much easier to children.  I honestly do not believe you can raise a child to the age of 18 without exposure to pornography - or worse things.  Currently there are children that are seeking medical gender changing treatments by age 9.  I do not think this is coming only through public schools.

I believe that the most successful way to teach anyone anything is through mentoring.  I believe the most effective mentoring a parent can provide for their children to protect them against critical race theory (or whatever else is coming next) is to include them in their compassionate service of others.

 

The Traveler

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2 hours ago, Traveler said:

I have been pondering this subject for some time.  First let me clarify that in no way do I support Critical Race Theory. 

I never thought you did.

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I believe even a 10 year old with an IQ above room temperature would realize that even the arguments for CRT are so badly thought out that such thinking defeats itself and proves the theory false.   

Apparently, this is a false belief since WAYYY too many people older and having higher IQs buy into it hook line and sinker.

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Of course every adult has a responsibility and obligation to protect little children.  I remained convinced that the best (only effective) way to protect anyone from false and dark claims is with truth. 

I agree.  This assumes, of course, that whenever a child is exposed to something toxic, that they will let their parents know about it.  With ideologies, that is not always the case.

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I am of the opinion that home schooling children as the cure to CRT is like trying to plug one critical hole in a dam with 20 critical holes, cracks and other issues.  I do not think such will be effective for solving the current or the coming problems - not even close.  

I've said many times that "There is no silver bullet."  This is a metaphor to say that there is no "one-pronged attack" that will solve society's ills nor guarantee raising our children to the Lord.  So, with that background, I agree.

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Let me turn to a story in the Book of Mormon.  We have all read about the "Stripling Warriors".  I think we underestimate children armed with truth and divine virtue.   According to my calculations the stripling warriors were deacon age.  Think of sending the deacons in your ward into a battle against trained, aged and experienced counterparts!!!  I dare say that few would even consider facing such a foe themselves.   I find it interesting that the success of the stripling warriors was not from what they learned from their fathers - but rather from their mothers.  I have often pondered why under such circumstance such a comment was made.

Yes, and they spent an awful lot of time each day with their mothers.  What if they spent 8 hours a day with someone other than their mothers?  Do you think their mothers would have had much influence over them?

This is really the main point I've been making.  It's fine to expose our children to other ideas -- especially dangerous ones that they need to be inoculated against.  But for them to spend MORE time with people just pouring these ideas into their heads and not have equal (if not more) time correcting such ideas (or at least providing the child sufficient freedom to explore answers themselves)  then they are going to go down the path of least resistance.

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I grew up in the 50's and 60's.  Pornography was not easy to come by in my youth - but I was aware of it as much as my parents attempted to isolate it from me.  When it did show up it was because some kid found it hidden in his father's stash of such stuff.   

I'm hearing you.

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Today such stuff comes much easier to children.  I honestly do not believe you can raise a child to the age of 18 without exposure to pornography - or worse things.  Currently there are children that are seeking medical gender changing treatments by age 9.  I do not think this is coming only through public schools.

Yes, part of my point is that this is out there so much that we don't need to willingly, knowingly expose them to it.  It will happen on its own.  And we need to have enough discussion in the home on such topics so that they know what to look out for, so they know to avoid it when they come across it.

For ideologies, rather than "avoid" it when they come across it, they need to be taught enough correct principles to offset it.  But I see no reason to purposefuly, knowingly expose them to something that is both ubiquitous and toxic.

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I believe that the most successful way to teach anyone anything is through mentoring.  I believe the most effective mentoring a parent can provide for their children to protect them against critical race theory (or whatever else is coming next) is to include them in their compassionate service of others.

Yes.  Parents.  Not public school teachers.

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