misfit Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 16 hours ago, LDSGator said: Edited January 27 by misfit LDSGator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 6 minutes ago, misfit said: I hear you there. Every few days I look at the local obits and either see people I know or families I know where someone has passed. I played basketball for PA and we won the 1972 Class I championship. We played at UNH. We may have come across one another somewhere in the past. I also have friends in Franklin and worked for the town in the 90's somewhere. I wasn’t born until the 80’s, but we very well might have. I used to work at a large incoming call center in Tilton off 93 and my friend and I would hang out in Franklin/Tilton after work sometimes. This was well over 20 years ago. Edited January 26 by LDSGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_person Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, misfit said: They've just changed the narrative from liberal to 'progressivism'. Those are two separate and notably different things. Traveler and LDSGator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfit Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 15 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Edited January 27 by misfit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, LDSGator said: I’m not sure the “liberal media” even exists anymore. The mainstream media absolutely has a liberal bias. Even many liberals admit this. However, it’s dying off. Literally. The big LA newspaper just laid off a ton of people, the NY times will be next. No one under 65 watches the 6:30 news anymore. Nor do they read Time magazine, Newsweek, etc. This isn’t 1994. The internet changed everything, and social media changed it again. A few years ago I saw that a CNN show had fallen behind a Cooking channel show in ratings. Probably one of my favorite 10 things that happened that year. It's been wonderful watching CNN/ABC/MSNBC/CBS/FOX online news sort of fragment and rebrand and turn into little more than irrelevant outrage clickbait hatep0rn with a side of underwear ads. It's been astounding watching the rise of true unfiltered citizen journalism made possible by Twitter and Tiktok and others. That said, - Radio stations still get their news from the media giants. - TVs still have endless media giant news sources readily available right up front, and most US adults still watch ~3 hours of TV a day. Under 65's at lower rates, but hardly nothing.. - Even though newspapers are going the way of the buggy whip, there are still newspapers everywhere. Still high levels of trust in 'BigNews'. Feb 2022: I smile and don't frown when I hear of mainstream media's continued decline. But it ain't fallen yet. Vort and Phoenix_person 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said: Those are two separate and notably different things. Perhaps, in the sense that a myocardial infarction and a coronary occlusion are two separate and notably different things. But they involve the same area, produce the same outcome, and wreak havoc in pretty much the same way, so their differences don't seem to make a difference. Traveler and misfit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said: smile and don't frown when I hear of mainstream media's continued decline. But it ain't fallen yet. No, but it’s like George Foreman in round 8 of the Rumble in the Jungle. Taking a serious beating and we all know the inevitable outcome. Edited January 27 by LDSGator NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 41 minutes ago, LDSGator said: No, but it’s like George Foreman in round 8 of the Rumble in the Jungle. Taking a serious beating and we all know the inevitable outcome. George Foreman was as much an anomaly as Muhammed Ali. Foreman was (IMO) the most intimidating heavyweight ever. At his best, the man was unstoppable. He was huge, bigger than Ali (who was 6'3" and 216 lbs vs. Foreman's 6'4" and 220 lbs; by comparison, the previous generation's arguably greatest heavyweights were Sonny Liston at 6'1" and 215-220 lbs, and Rocky Marciano, a GOAT contender, at a mere 5'10" and about 190 lbs). Foreman also hit harder than anyone else I've ever seen. And he was durable. Remember, George Foreman decided to return to boxing in his 40s, and at 45 years old—FORTY-FIVE YEARS OLD!!!— once again became the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. That's some superhuman performance there. Sadly for Foreman, on that fateful night in Kinshasa in what was then called Zaire, he didn't have the mental toughness to withstand Ali's ceaseless verbal barrage of insults and belittling. Just added fuel to the rope-a-dope. Foreman didn't fight a smart fight, so he got beaten. If he had fought Ali ten times, I bet he would have won at least six of them. But that's not how it works, is it? Edited January 27 by Vort LDSGator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Vort said: George Foreman was as much an anomaly as Muhammed Ali. Foreman was (IMO) the most intimidating heavyweight ever. At his best, the man was unstoppable. He was huge, bigger than Ali (who was 6'3" and 216 lbs vs. Foreman's 6'4" and 220 lbs; by comparison, the previous generation's arguably greatest heavyweights were Sonny Liston at 6'1" and 215-220 lbs, and Rocky Marciano, a GOAT contender, at a mere 5'10" and about 190 lbs). Foreman also hit harder than anyone else I've ever seen. And he was durable. Remember, George Foreman decided to return to boxing in his 40s, and at 45 years old—FORTY-FIVE YEARS OLD!!!— once again became the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. That's some superhuman performance there. Sadly for Foreman, on that fateful night in Kinshasa in what was then called Zaire, he didn't have the mental toughness to withstand Ali's ceaseless verbal barrage of insults and belittling. Just added fuel to the rope-a-dope. Foreman didn't fight a smart fight, so he got beaten. If he had fought Ali ten times, I bet he would have won at least six of them. But that's not how it works, is it? Well @Vort, you’ll hate this but I agree with every word you said. Foreman should be ranked much much higher in heavyweight rankings, and even pound for pound rankings. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 And speaking of underrated Ali opponents, Ken Norton and Larry Holmes are also criminally underrated. Technically Ali beat Norton twice and lost once, but Norton butchered Ali in all three fights. Holmes beat Ali when Ali was very old. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, LDSGator said: Holmes beat Ali when Ali was very old. Holmes was a fine fighter, a heavyweight contender, but no one believes that Larry Holmes was a better fighter than Muhammed Ali. LDSGator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Vort said: Holmes was a fine fighter, a heavyweight contender, but no one believes that Larry Holmes was a better fighter than Muhammed Ali. Oh of course not. Ali, for all the controversy, is on my top 5 p4p list with Ricardo Lopez, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard (my all time favorite boxer) and Joe Louis. You can also make the case Floyd Mayweather Jr is top 5. For heavyweights, I would put Holmes in my top 15, but below Foreman. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Worlds are colliding my friend. When it comes to politics we disagree totally. When it comes to sports-Hakeem being one of the best centers of all time, Foreman being vastly underrated, we agree 10,000% Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I better stop now because I could talk about boxing for hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhold Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 14 hours ago, Vort said: George Foreman was as much an anomaly as Muhammed Ali. Foreman was (IMO) the most intimidating heavyweight ever. At his best, the man was unstoppable. He was huge, bigger than Ali (who was 6'3" and 216 lbs vs. Foreman's 6'4" and 220 lbs; by comparison, the previous generation's arguably greatest heavyweights were Sonny Liston at 6'1" and 215-220 lbs, and Rocky Marciano, a GOAT contender, at a mere 5'10" and about 190 lbs). Foreman also hit harder than anyone else I've ever seen. And he was durable. Remember, George Foreman decided to return to boxing in his 40s, and at 45 years old—FORTY-FIVE YEARS OLD!!!— once again became the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. That's some superhuman performance there. Sadly for Foreman, on that fateful night in Kinshasa in what was then called Zaire, he didn't have the mental toughness to withstand Ali's ceaseless verbal barrage of insults and belittling. Just added fuel to the rope-a-dope. Foreman didn't fight a smart fight, so he got beaten. If he had fought Ali ten times, I bet he would have won at least six of them. But that's not how it works, is it? There's also the fact that due to the extreme heat in Kinshasa that day the ropes were incredibly loose; Ali's manager had actually *tightened* the ropes just hours before the match and they were still loose due to the heat having softened the materials. This made rope-a-dope even more effective as the sagging ropes took even more of the force than anyone expected them to. LDSGator and Vort 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Ironhold said: There's also the fact that due to the extreme heat in Kinshasa that day the ropes were incredibly loose; Ali's manager had actually *tightened* the ropes just hours before the match and they were still loose due to the heat having softened the materials. This made rope-a-dope even more effective as the sagging ropes took even more of the force than anyone expected them to. All that said, (and you are right) the rope a dope was a brilliant strategy. Foreman was maybe the strongest fighter in history. Ali took a massive beating and managed to still win! Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 @Vort, @Ironhold One of the best boxing analysis videos out there. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhold Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, LDSGator said: All that said, (and you are right) the rope a dope was a brilliant strategy. Foreman was maybe the strongest fighter in history. Ali took a massive beating and managed to still win! Have you seen the George Foreman biopic? It depicts the Rumble as a pivotal point in Foreman's life, and so near as I can recall they choreographed it as accurately as they could under the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, Ironhold said: Have you seen the George Foreman biopic? It depicts the Rumble as a pivotal point in Foreman's life, and so near as I can recall they choreographed it as accurately as they could under the circumstances. No, I haven’t seen it yet. I’m not a movie guy. I’m glad Foreman is getting the respect he deserves though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, LDSGator said: @Vort, @Ironhold One of the best boxing analysis videos out there. Thanks for that. I had never noticed that Foreman's fighting style proceeded from using his extended arms to control and set up his opponent. Funny thing is that that is exactly what the Diaz brothers did in the UFC, especially Nate. Really unorthodox fighting style, looks more like tai chi than boxing, but really super effective. Probably helps if you're significantly taller than your opponent, which Nate usually was. LDSGator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Vort said: Thanks for that. I had never noticed that Foreman's fighting style proceeded from using his extended arms to control and set up his opponent. Funny thing is that that is exactly what the Diaz brothers did in the UFC, especially Nate. Really unorthodox fighting style, looks more like tai chi than boxing, but really super effective. Probably helps if you're significantly taller than your opponent, which Nate usually was. Oh, very welcome. I thought I knew about boxing but I don’t know beans compared to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vort said: Really unorthodox fighting style, looks more like tai chi than boxing, but really super effective I think those guys are the hardest to defend against. Their style is just so weird that you’ve never seen it before. Edited January 27 by LDSGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, LDSGator said: I think those guys are the hardest to defend against. Their style is just so weird that you’ve never seen it before. The Diaz brothers were crude, vulgar, and uncouth. But they seem very genuine, which gained my respect. And they were outstanding fighters. Lots of fun to watch. If you're into that sort of thing. Which of course I am not. LDSGator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, Vort said: The Diaz brothers were crude, vulgar, and uncouth. But they seem very genuine, which gained my respect. And they were outstanding fighters. Lots of fun to watch. If you're into that sort of thing. Which of course I am not. @Vort, as a basketball fan, do you remember Bryant “Big Country” Reeves? Shaq said Reeves was hardest to guard because he (Reeves) was so awkward. I think it’s the same with the Diaz brothers. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/27/is-the-journalism-death-spasm-finally-here-00138187 re: our mainstream media talk. This was in Politico today. NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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