The flood and Enoch's seed

[laronius]

Moses 7:52 And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand;

This is the Lord speaking to Enoch about the flood. If Noah was Enoch's descendent how is it that only a remnant of his seed would be found among all nations? If the flood was universal and only the family of Noah survived should not everyone be the seed of Enoch? 

[zil2]

Maybe Noah is the remnant.  Of Enoch's seed, only Noah (and his descendants) survived/remained; none of the others.  Did you notice the footnote on "remnant" that takes us to Moses 8:2?

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2 And it came to pass that Methuselah, the son of Enoch, was not taken, that the covenants of the Lord might be fulfilled, which he made to Enoch; for he truly covenanted with Enoch that Noah should be of the fruit of his loins.

Link to Moses 7:52, for convenience.

Edited January 17 by zil2

[Vort]

18 minutes ago, laronius said:

Moses 7:52 And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand;

This is the Lord speaking to Enoch about the flood. If Noah was Enoch's descendent how is it that only a remnant of his seed would be found among all nations? If the flood was universal and only the family of Noah survived should not everyone be the seed of Enoch? 

 

5 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Maybe Noah is the remnant.  Of Enoch's seed, only Noah (and his descendants) survived/remained; none of the others.  Did you notice the footnote on "remnant" that takes us to Moses 8:2?

Link to Moses 7:52, for convenience.

I think zil's explanation is the obvious one. Given the scripture-inspired view that only Noah and his family survived the flood, and every other person on earth was killed off, it appears to be the only explanation. But the original verse clearly says "found among". That would literally be like saying, "A remnant of my posterity shall always be found among my descendants." It's trivially true, and a weird, seemingly useless thing to say.

I can think of two reasonable possibilities, which are not mutually exclusive (that is, both could be true simultaneously).

• The "remnant" does not refer to genetic lineage, but to some other trait, such as spiritual perceptiveness or willingness to covenant with God.
• Despite contrary interpretations of holy writ, Noah's family were not the only human beings to survive Noah's flood—which clearly implies that Noah's flood was not a worldwide phenomenon.

I suspect that most Latter-day Saints who do not accept zil's explanation will tend toward the first view. Those who do not see Noah's flood as "universal", i.e. global, will probably mostly default to the second view, or some combination of the two.

The scriptures do not say that Noah and his family were the only survivors on the entire planet of a global flood; that is a specific scriptural interpretation. So the second explanation is a possibility without denying any scriptural doctrine, though it certainly runs against many generations of traditional interpretation.

[CV75]

54 minutes ago, laronius said:

Moses 7:52 And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand;

This is the Lord speaking to Enoch about the flood. If Noah was Enoch's descendent how is it that only a remnant of his seed would be found among all nations? If the flood was universal and only the family of Noah survived should not everyone be the seed of Enoch? 

The rest (vast majority) of them were translated with the City of Enoch.