Pagan/Witch

[Gerlinde]

I got only one single question:

I as a witch, can i talk about some topics here?

Topics like:

Goddesses

Priesthood for women in the bible

Witchhunt

Destroying of goddesses cults in ancient times by christian and jewish believers

Homophobia in different churches (including the LDS)

What do you think?

[Brother Dorsey]

I got only one single question:

I as a witch, can i talk about some topics here?

Topics like:

Goddesses

Priesthood for women in the bible

Witchhunt

Destroying of goddesses cults in ancient times by christian and jewish believers

Homophobia in different churches (including the LDS)

What do you think?

Well, most of these topics have been covered in the recent months but....indulge yourself....talk away!

[WANDERER]

If the moderators think you are overstepping the rules they'll let you know. But some of those topics have come up in my time here : )

[NeuroTypical]

Hi Gerlinde,

If you're out to point out holes in our beliefs and sway us to your position, the answer is no. If you're out to ask us about our faith and learn what we believe, the answer is sure!

Welcome. I've never met a mean pagan.

LM

[pam]

Gerlinde, if you are here to discuss what you believe that is fine. Once it steps over the boundaries of becoming anti-Mormon, finding holes in the church etc...then it becomes a topic that would not be allowed.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Hi Gerlinde. I'm interested to know what you wish to talk about.

[Gerlinde]

Hi Gerlinde,

If you're out to point out holes in our beliefs and sway us to your position, the answer is no. If you're out to ask us about our faith and learn what we believe, the answer is sure!

Welcome. I've never met a mean pagan.

LM

Dear LN,

first of all, I like your pic!

I don't want to "convert" people here ore at other places (bye the way, this is not what a witch would do). But as a witch, i like to read feminist books or books about ancient histories and societies like matriarchy.

For example, here a quote from a book which i translate from German into English:

So Elizabeth Gould Davis wrote in her book "The First Sex" having been published in 1971 this:

"(...) Archeology proves more and more that there really was a golden age indeed, a gynaocratic Period, who lasted innumerable millennia, up to the twilight of written history.(...) man was peacefull, the Divinity female, and the woman towering above.There were peace and justice under a space merciful goddess, and the long clothes of the priestesses are made of the gown of the male priests who followed later up to today. The monotheism of which one thought once Mose or Echnaton has invented it, was in front of the early history far spreads. "It this one seems in which Evans was right if he claimed that it was a monotheism "female form of the goddess prevailed" (E.O. James, "The Cult of the Motter Goddess", P. 250).

Even the all-powerful Jahwe, the God of Moses and of the later Hebrews were originally a goddess,

Iahu-'Anat, the name even had been stolen by the Sumerian goddess. Theodor Reik asks what really happened with the original goddess of the Jews. He then gives the answer:

"The Torah forms the basis on which the Judaism exists. They is regarded as older than the world and a cosmic role is ascribed to her (at the creation).(...) We still recognize the first female goddess even in this diluted form" (Theodor Reik, "Pagan Rites in Judaism", P. 76).

And Robert Aron makes thoughts on the pre-Mosaic Jews to himself. He asks whom they admired before Jehova. And he comes to the conclusion from Reik: Torah, which is older than God". (Robert Aron, "The God of the Beginnings", P. 10-11).

(...) Raphael Patai points to forty places in which the goddess admiration is mentioned under the Hebrews in the old testament (Raphael Patai, " The Hebrew Goddess"), even after all the later patriarchal expenditure. The goddess shared the temple with Jehova at the time of Jeroboam. And the reason why Jezebel has such a bad reputation under Christians and Jews was, that she was for the goddess and against Jehova and had converted King Ahab to her faith in the goddess. "The goddess cult was ", so deep rootedly in Palestine" wrote E.O. James, " that all drastic reform tests from jahweists survived until the end of the king power" (E.O. James; The Ancient Gods", P. 91-92)." (Quoted from Elisabeth Gould Davis, "The First Sex", P. 64ff, German Edition)

This are facts, not fiction.

Maybe some in this group got problems with it, but this is not a fact problem, it a a problem of their own.

[BenRaines]

Interesting facts. And the point is? Interesting in the first sentence that your facts seem to indicate that most of this happened before the beginning of written history. So these facts are what others have determined or guessed from what they have uncovered in guesses of archelology.

Interesting reading.

Ben Raines

[Alaskagain]

Maybe some in this group got problems with it, but this is not a fact problem, it a a problem of their own

These are not facts. These are some opinions which have been set to print.

According to you, and the authors you quote,

And the reason why Jezebel has such a bad reputation under Christians and Jews was, that she was for the goddess and against Jehova and had converted King Ahab to her faith in the goddess.

So, according to you, and authors you choose to believe, the goddesses and Jezebel were against Jehova.

Sounds like a good reason not to follow your belief. Yes, I have a problem with it.

I don't have a problem with your believing what you believe.

I do have a problem with anyone claiming to follow some idea that is against Jehova and setting forth the proposition that they are right in doing so.

Tread carefully here.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I've got some thoughts on this but I'm a little woolly about being able to put them into words.

I believe the beginning started with Adam and Eve and that they probably knew both mother Goddess and Father God. Different civilisations have had parts of the whole, just as today different Christian denominations have parts of the Gospel, and that some chose to revere the Goddess (Heavenly Mother) rather than The God (Heavenly Father).

Perhaps it is in response to this that the Jews chose to focus on the Father rather than the Mother.

I do find it somewhat ironic that the Roman Catholic church elevated Mary to a level higher than all the rest of humanity - immaculate conception, Queen of Heaven, assumption into Heaven similar to Christ's ascension, prayers directed to her as in the Rosary. Perhaps it was a subconscious desire to acknowledge our Heavenly Mother.

BTW I hasten to add that this is the Gospel According to Willow.

[pushka]

Do we still have the rule about certain topics being covered in the Open Discussion and Adult forums?

To gain access to those forums on LDSTalk, we had to send a PM to Heather, stating that we were aged 18+ and wished to have access to those forums..

Some of the topics you wish to post about may be more suited to those forums..

[BenRaines]

Yes that is still available.

Ben Raines

[Gerlinde]

@ Alaskagain,

you wrote:

These are not facts. These are some opinions which have been set to print.

This are facts, proved by scientists from different sciences (archiology, etnology, theology) and not a "possibility". As i saw in the chatroom before, they are a lot of believers who don't want to believe this, cause it was against their own FAITH!

But truth will be truth and it doesn't matter what anybody wish to believe!

You wrote:

So, according to you, and authors you choose to believe, the goddesses and Jezebel were against Jehova.

Yes, this was the problem1

They was a group of people who adore a goddess first. Then they came believers of jehovah, and want to "convert" them with violence. They don't want this, and jezebel fight for her faith and against jehovah. Is there no free choice by jehovah and their believers?

You wrote:

I do have a problem with anyone claiming to follow some idea that is against Jehova and setting forth the proposition that they are right in doing so.

So, what will you do with me, who adore to the goddess? Would you kill me? Call the Mormon secret service to put me in prison? Ask President Bush to send me to Guantanamo? Or make in the temple a baptizmal for the dead for me (cause i can't do something against ist)? What would be your favorite?

@ Willowthewisp,

you wrote:

I believe the beginning started with Adam and Eve and that they probably knew both mother Goddess and Father God.

As my evidences prove it, there was Eve first and then followed Adam (see the Book "Adams Rip" from Robert Graves) or other books from this short stuff I quoted.

You wrote:

Perhaps it is in response to this that the Jews chose to focus on the Father rather than the Mother.

If you write me a personal mail, i can send you some interesting articles, even about transgender people and goddesses.

[Alaskagain]

But truth will be truth and it doesn't matter what anybody wish to believe!

Correct.

So, what will you do with me, who adore to the goddess? Would you kill me? Call the Mormon secret service to put me in prison? Ask President Bush to send me to Guantanamo? Or make in the temple a baptizmal for the dead for me (cause i can't do something against ist)? What would be your favorite?

Certainly, I would not kill you. Is there a Mormon secret service? Bah!

I don't have President Bush's phone number, nor would I want you put in prison. You are not qualified to receive baptism for the dead, as you have already received the gospel, been baptized, served a mission, and become excommunicated.

It would be my favorite for you to soften your heart.

If your contentiousness continues, you might be banned from the board though. I can do that. :) I see you have already been banned from the chat room today by an associate of mine.