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The loss of DADT will not result in some Disneyland of equality that some people think but cause more problems for the homosexuals themselves. While the media might paint a picture of gay which hunts that was not what i saw in the service. Actually recently there was a gay women booted and order to be reinstated, "for being gay", most the media left out the fact it was with a married women who husband brought it to the attention of the Commanding officer. Most people, whom i have seen are very tolerant. I have seen more then a few gay members who got no flack because they followed the policy, i know a supervisor who had to repeatedly warn their gay troop to mind their Ps and Qs because talking on the work phone with their girlfriend was asking for trouble. These gay members have been fairly obvious, working second jobs at gay bars, long term same sex "roommates" who have been with them through different states, rainbow stickers galore etc. Those who would see a member enter a gay bar, or kiss a member of the same sex and feel the need to report it are the ones who would see a look, a pat on the back, a joke, as sexual harassment and open gays will have to walk on egg shells. Discharge under DADT doesn't carry a negative connotation and i believe typically an honorable discharge. Sexual harassment not so much. Side note: while not all gays are attracted to all same sex people, the same can be said of straights yet i doubt many women would be as nonchalant about taking a shower with strange men, and people about having their wife, or daughter do so. It is actually an insult to heterosexuals to say, "what are you worried about, the gays will not hit on you you" while insisting that straight men and women remain separate as if straights cannot control themselves like the homosexuals can.

2nd Nephi

A personalized Pen, flask(?). business card holder etc. with her name and what initials she would most likely use. I E. Bini sister J.D Bini sister Esq. Bini sister Attorney at law. Something personal that commemorates the event

If the more educated are more likely to admit there sexuality (assuming you mean same sex attraction), this indicates the less educated are less likely. If the less educated are reporting same sex attraction in lower numbers as the educated how do we know they are less likely to admit it, and not just affected by it less? It seems like the chicken or the egg. If you start with the assumption that homosexuality is a choice then the discrepancies will read to you that people are choosing it. If you start with the assumption that it is genetic, then the discrepancies are read as reporting bias. Personally i think we banned human cloning way too early and could answer the nature vs nurture arguments, for this and many other issues, with that scientific breakthrough.

I wouldn't call it bashing. I'm a church member and constantly proclaim i would hate to live in Utah, too many Mormons, with sincerity. That being said i think the firing is a bit over the the top, yes he messed up by putting on the companies site and should face some sort of consequences but i think it says more about Salt Lake then anything else, With the damage done an an apology made, the firing paints Salt lake members as a vindictive mob who isn't understanding enough to see how a persons personal opinion could accidentally be posted and may not reflect the views of the station.

Skeletor

For the false and prideful people to preach IIRC it was never used in a positive way. I called him on it before.:) Never understood it. It would be like a Jew naming them self golden calf worshiper

Is that a nod to SSM?:p. Must be a lot of nursing homes in Utah cause taking in Grandma could make you a bigamist:eek:

Think it looks better down

Is it the larger societies/ culture at fault for mistakes made by those trying to get around the "rules"? I don't think so, and think it depends on your "pet" issue. 16 year old Sue wants to have sex with her boyfriend though larger society, church, friends, parents shun this activity . She adapts to the situation by sneaking out and doing what she want's but out of fear "has" to go a more dangerous route as she can't ask her mother to get her on birth control . Negative consequences come from her actions, pregnancy, and the larger society shuns her for it. Are they wrong? Is the girl pregnant because her mother didn't get her birth control and therefor she has no right to tell the daughter she messed up? Or is the girl pregnant because she wanted to do what she wanted to to do and broke the rules?

I wonder if the fact that Mormonism is a more "involved" and stricter religion helps the results. In many Christian circles being Christian means, believing Christ died for sins. I have known many who define themselves as Christian though they have not read the scripture , stepped foot in a church in 10 years, and spent/spend weekends getting drunk and chasing girls. Being Mormon (in the LDS sense) means, going to church, belief in the book of Mormons, Joseph as a prophet, President Monson as a Prophet, no drinking smoking or premarital sex, and so on. Most (at least in my experience) who are not living the LDS gospel, do not claim to be LDS, So if you ask 100 people what their religion is of the 50 who say Christian, 25 may not have read the bible, and only 10 have been to church in the last year. The other 50 might be Mormon, as in official members, but only the 25 who live the gospel, who are active, will claim the Mormon moniker. If they are living the gospel they hear/ study these things more often so Mormons get a higher percentage of people who know there stuff. Of course this doesn't explain Jews, where people typically claim Jewish, because of ancestry and it might have nothing to do with practice or study. Just a thought

Guess that's what i get for expecting the label to match the song:mad: Expected the 4 tops

Isn't it obvious YouTube - Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy honorable mention

I too found the Johny Cash version of hurt pretty sad. But not in the same way you are thinking:D

I'm with Dravin on the appeal to emotion not working. People want what they want . You think hearing about the downside of the industry for those who CHOOSE to do it should make people give it up. As bad as this sounds they are "reaping the reward" of their choice. Meanwhile 1000s of people have been kicked off their land, lost hunting rights and access to water because the government found diamonds there. Bushmen - Survival International Yet how many are getting rid of their diamond jewelry, telling their the spouse they don't want diamonds because of the oppression caused by the industry?

Bingo This is precisely what i'm looking for. Anyone who is dating, or considering marriage or even married can come into the thread, read this and say " Maybe we should approach the subject of time out with the friends before getting hitched. Perhaps he will not just suddenly stop playing football with the guy every weekend after the wedding unless we discuss it." or "Well i guess i should accept the fact, she will own 60 pairs of shoes and they will be "strategically placed" all over the house (I.E. in the way, where they don't belong) because that is how she has always been, perhaps i should accept i can't change her and overlook the minor inconvenience." Thanks Soulsearcher"

I can agree with that but we are missing the point of this thread. The idea is to add "balance" to this forum, So if someone wanted to read relationship advice rather then just a wall of "My spouse did this , my boyfriend did that" then can get general positive advise from life experiences. Like if there was a Job talk section you would have tons of "Should i take this job", "is this good pay", "how do i get this job" etc. And these things might need to be addressed But it would be nice to see a general "how to get a good job" thread that gave advice on dressing for an interview, how to act for an interview, how important are resumes etc. So the point of this thread in marriage and relationship advice is just that, to give general life experience relationship and marriage advice, that anyone can use. It can be , " understand a partners past, beware of the ex, talk about expectations before the wedding, always put the toilet seat down;) etc General tips and advice that were learned from either good, or bad experiences.

I don't know how to explain it without another example. If you are divorced i would image in many cases there were things you did or didn't do that played a factor in it. I do not mean in a "you should have cleaned the house like he wanted it" your at fault sort of way but that a persons actions played a part and others can learn from the mistakes and not the negative cause. Example. Girl dates guy through highschool. She marries him, he "becomes" physically abusive and controlling, after 5 years she gets up the nerve to divorce him. She might answer the question. I'm divorced because my husband was abusive. The abuse might be the negative cause for the divorce it does no good to others reading this. Don't marry an abusive guy is good advice but obviously it isn't that easy to tell, otherwise the girl giving the advice wouldn't have married him in the first place. But there might have been hints, maybe while dating he was always asking were she was, jealous of her guy friends etc. So the answer that would be useful to others would be " I'm divorced because i didn't pay attention to the warning signs early in the relationship. I had a girl friend in highschool who left me for my friend who was more of a "bad boy" Looking back on it i actually changed, she was a good girl and i was trying to become good for her. I could say it didn't work out because she just wanted a rebel, So always be a bad boy, but that helps no one. and is very specific to the situation. My part in it was it didn't work out because i changed for her. Never change who you are for a person you are dating would be good advice all could take to heart. Also it doesn't have to be that personal I.E. "I'm divorced because I .... " It could be "Money is a big cause of divorces i have this friend..."

Let me start by saying i'm not looking down on anyone who is divorced, however i am a bit surprised by the numbers i have seen on this site. And apparently marital problems have become such a "hot" issue they deserve there own board. Because much of the post here will be "negative and reactive" I.E. Here is the problem how do i fix it. I thought it would be nice to have a positive and proactive thread to help others avoid the problems. So i ask married people answer the question. I'm married because I.... And divorced I'm divorced because because I... (This isn't a place to air the ex's dirty laundry, and i would like to keep it positive so "I'm divorced because my ex is a jerk" is not the type of answer i am looking for. (even if it is true;)) I'm looking to spread advice to people for things they can control, so others faults wouldn't be useful. I. E. If ex was an adulterer the answer "I'm divorced because ex cheated" would tell other not to marry someone who would cheat, but chances are when you married you did you didn't think they would so the advice is more or less "worthless". But if the ex had these type of problems in the past, and you didn't take that into consideration when choosing them... "I'm divorced because I didn't think my ex's past was a big deal" Would be advice an individual could use. Looking for personal things you do or didn't do that could help others) I'm married because i choose my best friend. I wish i could take credit but i stole the idea from my folks who a long and happy marriage themselves. I have seen many put too much stake in what a person is doing, or what they could be not who they are. "He's going to med school so he will be a great provider" "She is so good with kids she will make a great mother" Not that these aren't good quality to look for but what happens when he fails out and has to get a job at McDonalds for minimum wage? What happens when it is discovered you can't have kids? Think about your best friend in grade school. You didn't hang out with them(hopefully) because they had the coolest toys. And even when their mother said they couldn't come out to play you didn't drop them and if you had some cool activity planed you might have even postponed it so they could do it with you. I married my best friend, someone i want to air my gripes to, share my joy with, someone i'll postpone the great adventures for, someone who i'm happy with living in a 2000sq ft home minutes from the beaches of Florida, taking vacations twice a year. Or living in an 800sq ft duplex in Cali. with paper thin wall, jerk neighbors, living off Mac & Cheese with a entertainment budget that allows us to buy 1 new board game every 2 months because the cost of living is so high. Because i married my best friend most the external ( i hear money is a a big issue in many divorces) doesn't matter. My advice. Marry your best friend.

That's what you get for being in the big city. You pay more per sq ft and get that shoddy construction with crappy materials.

Problem is if i use cash to by a home... it will not be a very nice home

Wow. That is a noggin scratcher:confused:. I would wonder how the Bishop would know? Is "Are you a transsexual?" A normal baptism question? I would suspect if someone believed they were in the wrong body strong enough to get surgery to alter it they would have no reason to discuss it. I.E. Saying "I used to be a man" wouldn't be true because it was the fact the were always a women (in their eyes) that made them get the alterations.

To be perfectly honest i'm disappointed that the video starts with an ad hominem. This is something regularly used by "anti" Mormons and there is even one in the video , Josephs treasure seeking, but it is labeled a half truth. "Anti" Mormons use this past history to paint him as unreliable. This video does the same thing with Ed Decker and him "leaving his wife" I think the biggest problem with "anti" Mormon media is that most of it is "true" Half truths, unauthoritative statements, stuff out of context (like the video presents) and there is 2 things that can be done to "take the wind out" of the "anti" argument. 1. Put lots of emphasis on personal revelation and confirmation. We have seen a lot of discussions on "the little things" lately and many think that if one will can't/wont do the little stuff how can they expect to do the big. I can agree with this but think it also applies to getting confirmation and Revelation as well. The saints who would say, "Bishop Jones asked my to shave and that's good enough for me" or "Elder Bruce R. McConkie says we shouldn't use playing cards (in Mormon doctrine which ironically is not actually Mormon doctrine) so i will not have them in my home" without seeking confirmation from the spirit are the same who would have said "Orson Pratt taught Jesus was a polygamist so it must be true" 2. I think the church should be more open with the "oddities" of church history. Yes there are some "odd things" but nothing "stranger" then Christianity as a whole. When members find out about the hat translation method, and leave it's not because it is "weird" especially when one considered the 10 commandments and the burning bush. The problem is they spent all these years being shown Joseph sitting across from a scribe with the plate out for everyone to see in "today's translation methods" I have never met anyone who lost faith in Jonah because the "oddity" of his story being swallowed by a fish. I have met some who did in Joseph Smith because of the "oddity" of the way polygamy was commanded. The difference in the 2 stories. Joanah's is taught to everyone from primary on up. Joseph's will not be heard by many until it is brought up by an "anti" Mormon. I think the church should offer an optional history class that would inoculate members against such things and prevent the argument that they hide history. I think the Joseph Smith papers and the book Rough stone rolling (which isn't official) is a step in the right direction.

Candy cigs taste delicious and only come in 2 forms, candy cigs, and these 3 square things about the size of a stick of gum with monster faces on them. Used to get them at Halloween time but i haven't seen them in years. (anyone know what they are called where to get them?). As far as E cigs are concerned i cant imagine someone would go from the pure drug in a clean tasty form to the drug with a "nasty taste" and with a whole lot of cancer causing agents. If that is the concern then we need to look at nicoret, commit and all other nicotine replacement therapy's.

If Darwin teachings were perverted by some and that makes him "responsible" for things like the holocaust... Who is to blame for this The improper use of a teaching by some down the road is NOT a negative reflection upon the teacher, or even the teaching itself.