bytor2112

cause evil cops shot him.

I was a Scout Master for 31/2 years...no water gun fights......but plenty of airsoft wars! What is and has been happening to the BSA is the view that traditional values are antiquated, bigotted, hateful, harmful and a challenge to the new morallity of intolerant tolerance.

I was a Scout Master for 31/2 years...no water gun fights......but plenty of airsoft wars! What is and has been happening to the BSA is the view that traditional values are antiquated, bigotted, hateful, harmful and a challenge to the new morallity of intolerant tolerance.

Too bad that 2.3% of the population will likely destroy the BSA as we know it. Hey, they are destroying mariange, why not the BSA.
 
More here.
 
"We have noted the comments by Boy Scouts of America President Robert Gates in relation to possible policy changes in the Boy Scouts of America. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will, of course, examine any such changes very carefully to assess how they might impact our own century-long association with the BSA"

For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people,  and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good,   therefore they were ripening for destruction,  for the laws had become corrupted.  Yea, and this was not all; they were a stiffnecked people, insomuch that they could not be governed by the law nor justice,  save it were to their destruction. - Helaman 5:2-3

When I returned home from my mission and was also released from the army I had many personal struggles.  A Native American friend and former mission companion convinced me to try a dream quest or spending 40 days in the wilderness eating only what nature would provide. 
 
I believe I have experienced hunger that few in this country have.  I have been so hungry that I would eat bugs and insect larva. Hunger may be a convenient excuse for criminal behavior - but it is not the real reason.  Also being well fed does not seem to be the end of inhuman behavior or mistreatment of a neighbor.  I find the logic a rhetorical failure to imply poverty is the catalyst of criminality in one breath and then say that the greed of the "rich" is the cause in the next breath.
 
It seems to me that poverty is the excuse of certain politics as a means to exploit all economic classes - the very rich, the middle class as well as the poor.  Especially with governments (like ours) that distribute less than 40 cents to the poor for every dollar that is designated and funded for poverty programs.

I was a Scout Master for 31/2 years...no water gun fights......but plenty of airsoft wars! What is and has been happening to the BSA is the view that traditional values are antiquated, bigotted, hateful, harmful and a challenge to the new morallity of intolerant tolerance.

I'm going to be candid here (and I say this as a recently-released 11-year-old leader with five years of tenure in two different wards, and now just called to be a cubmaster):
 
This water-gun nonsense just confirms what I've suspected for a long time:  These overpaid bozos at National have no freakin' idea what it's actually like to work with boys.
 
I'm tired.
 
I'm tired of overpriced uniforms.  I'm tired of a program in a constant state of flux, requiring the purchase of a never-ending array of updated "training materials".  I'm tired of roundtable meetings where they spend fifteen minutes berating us because our Friends of Scouting contributions weren't higher--knowing very well that the guy delivering the sermon makes three times my annual salary.  I'm tired of my local Council Office, which has taken three weeks to figure out if the materials for the 2015 Cub Scout program are or aren't actually available for purchase yet.  I'm tired of whatever committee of boneheads decided that the creepy new computer-generated cub scout character that's all over the new books, is something the boys would think is "cool".  I'm tired of sub-par websites and support services, and byzantine advancement tracking/procurement protocols.  I'm tired of staff at National who can barely speak English but are assigned to "customer service".  I'm tired of needing multiple layers of permission and approvals and "tour permits" to drive my boys to a Cabela's five miles away because it's technically out of our district or council or whatever.
 
I do what I do because I respect the Church and want to help it move forward--and frankly, I like the kids I work with, which makes it all easier.  But, as for the BSA? 
 
As far as I'm concerned--the gays can have it.
 
Oh--and there will be water pistols at our next pack meeting; national nincompoops bedarned.

The world is so weird it is dizzying. I often wonder how many kids think they are (insert appropriate inner confusion) because of the hyper intense influence of the agenda driven crowd that perpetuate this type of (be sensitive Bytor)......................stuff.

The world is so weird it is dizzying. I often wonder how many kids think they are (insert appropriate inner confusion) because of the hyper intense influence of the agenda driven crowd that perpetuate this type of (be sensitive Bytor)......................stuff.

The world is so weird it is dizzying. I often wonder how many kids think they are (insert appropriate inner confusion) because of the hyper intense influence of the agenda driven crowd that perpetuate this type of (be sensitive Bytor)......................stuff.

I inserted really foul language and now I'm offended.
 

TFP, I shy away from using the word "crackpot" in the same sentence with either Pres. Young or Elder Pratt; but I agree with the fundamental point of your post.  :)

Skale...your link has cost me untold hours ;-) Fascinating stuff...thank you!!

Worth a listen if you have time.

Great topic! This might interest you: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=36747
 
It's a topic I created on another forum. I thought it would take too much time to copy everything over here so I just linked it. Enjoy!

Homosexuality and all explanations, justifications, grievances, and motivations surrounding it are perpetuation of a root lie.
 
It is, flatly, a counterfeit of Satan. And all the twisting in the wind one wants cannot take away from this plain fact.
 
Homosexuality stems from the natural man and therefore any engagement therein, and I mean ANY, makes one an enemy to God.
 
When people buy into this core lie, then all the outlying descriptions of experience, thought and feeling become a half truth at best.
 
This is how most of your posts read to me Soulsearcher. I do not doubt your sincerity or claim you are intentionally misleading. But the argument, at it's very most core, is based on falseness, and ergo, nothing that stems from this falsehood rings quite fully true.
 
Of course, those who have bought into this cannot see it. And I do not expect you to see it. But wickedness never was happiness, and never will be.
 
Should anyone beat a kid up for a friend mentioning the word "gay" (assuming we take your second hand report at face value)? Of course not. Does that mean if this didn't happen, all his friends and family gladly accepted his homosexuality, and that there were no ramifications of judgment or even perceived judgement whatsoever in all the world, that this kid would then be happy in it?
 
No!
 
Of course that doesn't justify vicious hateful behavior. And it never will. But the existence of fringe lack-of-Christianity does not diminish the value and truth of correct, righteous Christianity.
 
It's as if you expect us to believe that without the father's violence the kid wouldn't be touching the drugs and alcohol and everything would be right in his life.
 
As to the "experimenting" idea, you're twisting things to suit an argument. It's been fairly well concluded and accepted that marrying straight to get over the gay is a wrong-headed idea.
 
What we as Christians, and specifically as LDS, are asking everyone, including gays, to experiment upon is righteousness. It is our contention that there is only one path to joy and happiness, and that path is to follow in the footsteps of our Savior and the words He taught and teaches through apostles and prophets. We advocate experimenting upon this -- namely by obedience -- and contend that only in doing so will one become as one should become, and be what one must be. We advocate that obedience will change people's hearts, souls, minds and very beings. We advocate that such "experimentation" will lead to joy, and all other acts, experimental or not, will lead to sorrow.
 
I reiterate: Anything beyond the truths of Christ and His gospel is a perpetuation of a lie.
 
 
This is a prime example of the only-partial-truth of your posts. This is a small part of the big story, and the fringe extremists on both sides, while perhaps adding fuel to the fire, do not typically drive the overall path of politics. What does happen is the fringe happenings are being exaggerated, blown out of proportion, used as tent poles in the political arena, and made to be seen as mainstream instead of fringe.
 
Moreover, repeating again, homosexuality and all who sustain and support it against the honest exercise of religious liberty are standing with the devil's kingdom against God and perpetuating falsehood. The fact that some few on the side of God's kingdom are mistaken in their approach and tactics does not validate the lie of the other side or justify war against the liberties of all to worship, believe, speak, and act according to their free conscience.

I never bring a phone into church and I use "real"scriptures and manuals....I know dark ages. At the beginning of every sacrament meetings we are reminded to silence all electronic devices...and almost every sacrament meeting one will be sure to ring.

Finally some justice in Baltimore!!!!!

LP, when you say patently false and outrageous things like that a man was killed by police for selling cigarettes, then yes, you are being inflammatory.

When you make statements like the bolded above, you are saying that the police officer (s)  made a deliberate, willful decision....this guy is selling loosies, so I am going to kill him for doing that.
 
You are deliberately using inflammatory language to paint an extreme and distorted view of what happened.

When one is Godless, it is easier to justify most anything.

Why is romantically bound a requirement? Or only two individuals? Why must the state do it the way u suggest here?

You again are accusing them of being abusive, renegade and murderer all in one statement. Perhaps, you shoud state that the police officers in question have been charged in connection with the man's death. If they are guilty of murder and it can be proven then they should receive the harshest sentence available.
 
The news media uses convicting and inflamatory language that is unnecessary and creates much of the high tensions that occur. "Cop shoots and kills unarmed teenager"  When it should have been accurately described " Man assault police officer and officer shoots the assailant in the line of duty." (Furgeson)