LDSVALLEY

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  1. I don't get offended by others opinions. I have the agency to choose not to listen, read etc. Or to engage in debate over points of view. Each human has unique filters we filter information through. What can be fine for one is offensive to another. I try to look at how it is presented and why. Then base by viewpoint with those filters. I cannot have an informed opinion on what has happened to you since I was not involved. People can be very passionate about their point of view and ready to defend it even to the point of inappropriate. From the way you have posted I have to assume you have had a very bad experience from some people. I am sorry that has happened for you. I would be interested in glancing at your site if you honestly wish feedback. Send me a link if you wish. I will give you an opinion without being offended. But realize someone will be offended about something no matter what is posted. I admire you for trying to raise a family on your own. I have a wife and can't keep up with her with our three children so I can't imagine doing it on your own. I hope you find peace and joy in life and with whatever spiritual guidance you rely on.
  2. What are these lessons you (LDSVALLEY) talked about: You do not mean the lessons we join every Sunday from 9 am to 10 am? There are a number of lessons that need to be taken in a special class or group before you can advance to the Melchizedek Priesthood. When I took them a decade ago there were 5. I know the number of lessons has changed a couple of times so it might be from 4-6 now. Each is around 90 minutes depending on the number of potential Priesthood holders. It is not a continual class but one that is set up when the need is there. As for the Home Teachers it must be interesting to be in a ward that doesn't have as many people as home teachers as possible. In our Ward the day you are called as an Aaronic Priesthood holder your a home teacher with 4-6 families to visit. Even then 80% of the less actives don't have Home Teachers assigned just so we can cover the actives. As for talking to your Bishop I would instead go to the EQ President or High Priest Group Leader. You are a member of EQ and officially the High Priest Group is responsible to insure you are trained in the Priesthood so either would be appropriate. Remember Leaders are called of God but not trained by man in most cases. From experience it is often a "thank you for accepting this leadership calling, here is a leadership manual, talk to the outgoing leader, pray for inspiration and good luck." as a method of training for people. So Leaders can quickly become so stuck in dealing with the emergency or the more vocal stuff and the quit little things get put off. So ask to speak with one of them you feel more comfortable with and tell them your question. Don't ask when you'll get it but ask what you need to prepare in order to be ready to receive it and how much time do you have before it comes up so you can be ready for it. Since you have them anyway also ask when you can become a Home Teacher because you want to serve. Unless your area is the complete opposite of ours they should leap at the chance to have more help and men who want to honor the Priesthood.
  3. Say hi to Elder Burstall from the Kentville Ward, Nova Scotia. He's been in that Mission for 14-18 months. Says it's hot and no trees. Congrats. PS remember what I tell our Missionaries (i'm a Ward Mission Leader) To have a successful mission open your mouth. Every time you give someone a chance to hear the gospel you are doing exactly what the Lord expects. A slammed door or a baptism make no difference. One is just annoying the other satisfying. Your role is to provide the opportunity what they decide to do with it is between them and the Lord.
  4. This came up with a new member with our last bishop. He said something like the instructions state the person should have sufficient understanding of the Gospel before they receive it. Since New Members are supposed to attend Gospel Principle class until they have gone through the lessons once which takes a year that would make it roughly a year less any time someone attended class before baptism. At least in our neck of the woods Priesthood advancement beyond Aaronic is done during Stake Conference or twice per year. There are also lessons that need to be taught before this happens. One new convert this year missed most of the Priesthood advancement lessons due to bad weather and health in the winter. Our Bishop was called to the Stake this year and they took 5 months to find another so ours was acting as a Bishop and a member of the Stake Presidentcy at the same time. And one councilor moved out of the Ward and the other spent the summer working 60 hour weeks. So reteaching the priesthood lessons was completly forgotten. Stake Conference is this weekend so the poor new convert will have to wait another 6 months and will have to try and take the lessons in the winter yet again!
  5. Guess what we can have all the opinion we want. We can try to figure out if age 8 is appropriate or not. Maybe it should be 2,6,14 or 20 it does not matter. The Lord has set the age. Knowing that not every eight year old will be ready he put in place an interview to insure they are ready. What we think, say, believe, desire is beside the point. Why specifically eight...The Lord only knows!
  6. I am assuming you are talking about parents\siblings\extended family not spouse\children based on what is written. My wife and myself were the only two members of our families to be baptized Mormon when we were adults we found the church. At first they were against the idea and we heard much negative comments. I treated them with humor and held to "God gave us the agency to choose things for ourselves" attitude in my mind and got baptized anyway along with my wife. Only a couple of friends came to it. After the family knew we were baptized we just didn't talk to them about the church at all. Instead we lived correct principles and began raising our children. Over time their hearts have softened. They respect us doing prayers at family gatherings, most of them have attended our 3 children's baptism's. My Mom a few years ago even suggested we wrap up leftovers from Thanksgiving for the Missionaries who lived on the block at that time. For the last 6 years Mom has not missed a nativity event at the Stake, they even plan our family pre christmas dinner around it! I have found from my experience and what I've heard from others that if you do what you know you should, ignore the flak, and stick it out then hearts will be softened most times. If you wait for them to give approval then likely you will never get it. There are cases where you might have to choose between your eternal salvation or family. A former Home Teaching Companion when he joined his Uncle placed a death notice in the newspaper saying his nephew had died and refused to ever speak to him again. Remember Heavenly Father gave you agency to choose for yourself. Study it out in your mind with real intent, pray, then be guided by what inspiration you feel.
  7. Don't worry about the Missionaries they work hard and want everyone to be baptized as soon as possible. As a Ward Mission Leader sometimes I have to slow ours down but I understand their desires. It can be difficult to find answers you seek. Feel free to ask on the forum or ask me or others for input into the questions. I was an adult convert who when I met the Missionaries told them they had no chance of converting me! So I had to find lots of answers. Don't try and find all the answers right away it takes years and years. When you think you have them all you find more, or at least I do! We have one getting baptized next week and I told her that she should not feel pressured into it but know she is ready, otherwise we can postpone it. (she is having an issue with a family memeber over joining, she knows it's true but wants to work things out with them first.) Enjoy the journey, it's fun. And never ever be afraid to ask quesitons.
  8. Originally Posted by TheJoker View Post Whether you accept the gospel or not. Is about where you are born and your life experiences. Because where we are born and what we experience. Makes us the people we are today. When I first joined the church there was a member who was the nicest guy you ever would meet. He always had treats for kids, warm smiles and handshakes for adults. In the 5 years in that ward I never heard or saw him get angry. He his wife and daughter were a very close united family. I thought if only I could be that good. He gave his testimony about the church one day. He was sitting in jail, again, for spousal and substance abuse , his wife had run off with someone else and gotten pregnant. He was in his words violent and always angry and would try any substance. As he said he was living as he had been raised and so it wasn't his fault. Somehow he found the gospel in jail. He realized while his past could influence his life he had the agency to decide how he would live his life. He could continue to follow what his experience was or turn to God for help and create his future experience. That he could make his life in the image he choose. IN a very short time he completly transformed from being a difficult prisoner to a model one. He began writing to his wife and trying to make amends. The long and short of it his wife took the gospel into her life as well, realized things she needed to change. He accepted the child completely as his own. He works as a volunteer with people dealing with substance abuse. Kids and members love him and his wife to death. He decided to allow Heavenly Father to help him to become what he decided he wanted. He hates the "my situation is because of what I went through, or its not my fault because of how I was raised." It has an effect no question but those of the best upbringing and situation can turn out the worst and the ones with the worst upbringing and situations can turn out the best. Because Heavenly Father gave us the agency to choose. And provides us a way to have the strength to do so. It just takes lots of work, time, effort and faith.
  9. You're so right! I feel like giving up sometimes, but I know that is not the answer. It will only make things worse. But that tent in the wilderness option is looking pretty good right now, lol! My family would love that, we camp every year! That's what my pic is, our tent under a 30*40 foot tarp that covers our entire camp site. Look up our families favorite scripture 1Nephi 2:15 I use it in talks and spiritual thoughts all the time, it has many uses. In this case literal would work for you!
  10. With the Church of Latter-day Saints we do say the age is eight but that is not the complete end and beginning. You can not get baptized younger then eight but might not be able to at eight either. A Bishop must interview and find the child able to understand what the commitment means. Realizing of course that at eight understanding is pretty much limited to the short term and abstract. I have known cases where a child was not sufficient in understanding and had to wait some time. A person's ability to understand also plays a part. Someone with insufficent mental capacity is considered innocent and thus already saved. While a baptism can happen for such a person it is simply for show and has no real meaning. Two of our three children were baptized without having a full testimony of their own but developed it over time. But they had the basic understanding of right and wrong and the covenants they were making. The third had it all from the get go. Even Adults coming into the church often don't have a full understanding of what it all means. But have the basics to begin the journey.
  11. Sounds like you are having it really rough. I'm Canadian so things most likely work different down there but have you looked into financial alternatives? In Nova Scotia we have alternatives to things like bankruptcy. OPD or orderly payment of debts is a government program where you consolidate your debts, they freeze the interest rate at prime, you pay into the program the amount they determine with you based on a budget analysis of what you can afford. They then take the lump sum and distribute it to the creditors. It damages your credit rating while on it but most companies quickly restore it when you are discharged. Consumer Proposal is a new one, you can go through a trusty in Bankruptcy or credit councilor and figure out what you can do. Then contact various creditors and give them a proposal for dealing with the situation. Some people show they don't have the ability to pay the entire debt but contract to pay 50% in exchange for a reduction in interest rate and removal of the other 50%. There are various suggestions you can make. The theory is the creditors want to get at least something, if they put the person into bankruptcy they get nothing. Bankruptcy is also an option to consider, while the church frowns upon it sometimes it is the only alternative. At least up here there are many cases where the home can be excluded from the proceedings as the mortgage is often cheaper then rent. Things are tough all over right now. I learned, I thought, from previous financial mistakes. But ended up renovating the home we bought and pretty much ignoring our financial picture for 4 years while doing all the work. Now we are up to our eyeballs. Between the roof last year, van repairs and a new septic field this year we are close to maxing out our credit. My wifes part time job that was a nice boost is now the only thing keeping our heads above water. We got ourselves back on track but have a long haul ahead to get clear and if anything serious goes we might go under. It sounds to me like you working out side the home is going to be more costly to your situation then helpful. I mentioned before a few home based business thoughts, I am sure you could find more in your area. Maybe some of your family could get together and create something to help you all out. If is amazing how much duplication our little family units go through and extra expense it causes. Bulk buying, group cooking, work parties etc can help boost spirits and save money. Pooling resources especially with family can help everyone out. You sound like your family has had a very hard struggle for some time now. Wish there was a wand we could wave to make things at least stable but that I guess is not Heavenly Fathers way. I guess we only have two alternatives, keep treading water until it gets shallower or sink into despair. I consider despair from time to time but figure when I come back up I'll still be in the same place only wetter! Remember you are not treading alone.
  12. You asked what else you can do besides pray for her. The answer is the same the Lord has always told us. Love her and be her friend. My calling I work close with investigators and new members I can tell you Satan works hard on them to find any chink he can. As the others have said many of us upon joining have area's we have not developed a sure testimony of. President Faust never resinated with me but was one of my children's favorites. We are each different and unique we respond to many different things which is one reason Missionaries are moved around so much so that different personalities can interact differently with each area being served. Let her know that her not feeling anything is no reflection on his being a true Prophet or not. Espicially as you said she had good feelings about other speakers. I don't like every speaker in sacrament each week that does not make their talk any less true then the ones I love to listen to. It just depends on many individual factors. Show love and support for her no matter what path she takes. We have members who take years to decide to be baptized in the end. Many others take years to fully grow roots to become anchored members with sure testimonies. More then the Missionaries you are the best one for her to talk to, do so not as a member missionary but as a friend. It might be something else that is triggering her concern and GC was just an excuse to avoid something else. Remember many non members are most likely feeding negative and false information as well. It is a difficult time and confusing for most investigators. Pray but remember be her friend.
  13. The church teaches we are to spend our lives learning. Both things of the world and of God. We should never stop trying to learn either formal education or on our own. But we should have what we are learning confirmed by the Holy Ghost. Man likes to take bits and pieces and fill in the blanks to make theory. This is not done with ill intent but a desire to learn. In the 1830's hundreds gathered to see the first train move because the experts said people would die over 30mph because they could not breath. When they were proven wrong they changed the science to explain why. When my Father went to school dinasours were only able to exist in the water not on land, the science proved it. As man's knowledge evolves so does the science to prove it. Science proved man could never fly, could never go into space etc. How do we understand and grow if we do not learn? Why would be here if we are not going to learn? However we must guard against putting the learnings of man over those of God. I don't see the basics of relativity making those of God redundant simply that our understanding of timelines or mechanics needed adjustment. God does not change only how we view things does. We must continue to learn of all things we can. That is God's commands to us.
  14. NO offense taken I had a good chuckle. Actually I enjoy good debates and searching for answers to problems. This is just one of those threads where there is no real answer other then leaving it to God for final judgement. It is also one that is going down many different pathways. It is a topic that, without intent, can cause ill feelings and weaken testimonies of many. I believe I am a Mormon because I do my best to follow the guidelines of the church and council of the Prophet. Otherwise I believe I am being a Mormon in name only. Others have a different interpretation of this. It has no effect on my salvation because it is between them and God I believe God wants us to be united against the ills of the world and make up our minds to follow his will which might not be our opinions or beliefs. After all ours are based on our limited world view and not his eternal one. Problems are a way to learn and grow avoiding them leaves us ignorant and weak so no I don't try to avoid them. However I am careful to show respect to others opinions and beliefs. I have been on many sites where "Mormons" end up being angry and attacking others comments. I try to expound my position or belief but don't have the expectation of changing anyone elses. Nor will they change mine unless Heavenly Father directs it be so. That is not avoiding problems but respecting opinions not my own. The purpose of my last comment was having been to watch General Conference then reading through the last few posts prior to my previous one I felt sad that one setting had created harmony, spiritual uplift and growth while this thread was upsetting people and decreasing some spirits. So I stated what I believed. (which by the way is not hot or cold but direct :) )
  15. This is one of those topics that create much hurt feelings among people. My family just spent two days sitting in the chapel watching conference, since it is too far to drive home between sessions we stay there for the entire day, It was very uplifting and spiritual, those who decided to go to the chapel for it felt very close. We are engaged in a thread that can not have a resolution and opinion comes across as judgement against others opinions. I believe some are wired gay but still can choose to give in to it. I believe many choose to be gay. I believe you can call yourself what ever you want but your actions determine the truth of what we are. I believe I can not pick and choose what I want to follow in order to be Mormon. I believe this thread will create divisions not unity. I believe God has given us all the choice to think for ourselves and determine our own course. I believe you have the right and will defend it to disagree with me. I believe only I can choose to take offense to something said, no one else can cause me offense. I believe what each of us choose to follow what each of us does or believes but in the end... I believe it is between each of us and Heavenly Father. I believe therefore I will be.
  16. I"ve had gay friends before and have gay relatives. It does not change who the people are. I believe based on experience and conversation that some people are wired attracted to the same sex. people can have an attraction to some degree to the same sex no matter who we are. I also believe this age of tolerance is pushing many of those who could be happy either way over to the homosexual side. Especially the young. Lets face it most people find it easier to understand the same sex when we are first starting out. If it is socially acceptable to be gay then more are going to at least explore it. And for some it is a way to find acceptance in a world they feel they don;t fit into. We are becoming an isloationist society and tecnology and medical issues are increasing that trend. I don't judge people based on their sexual preference anymore then on what religion they are. Nor do I think the church is wrong in its policies on the subject. I am sure with the acceptance of Gay marriages they will face many trials as people battle it does not violate the law of Chastity. But I leave that to the leadership to deal with. The first "Mormon" I met after joining the church was a coworker. He put down his cigerette and coffee to shake my hand and invited me out for a ***** beer afterward. Not kidding. People can call themselves what ever they want. I Know people who are a particular religion accourding to them but have never set foot in a church since the parents had them baptized as infants. My coworker claimed he was Mormon. Those on TV claim this or that. The scriputres tell us we are not saved by name only but by our actions and thoughts. If they want to pretend to be what they wish to be fine. If the rest of the world wants to use them as an example again fine. I know what it means to be Mormon and do my best to be one. The Lord will judge me and them accordingly. I don't worry about calling myself a Mormon, I simply am one.
  17. Those who have never had the chance to have the gospel are not bound to the same restrictions as those who have rejected it so many many of our family still have the chance for the highest of kingdoms. Who determines what really is considered the line between Celestrial and lower kingdoms? Heavenly Father- we on Earth are bound by an earthly understanding while here he is following a vastly larger and more accurate understanding. None of my family outside my wife and kids are members maybe they will be with me maybe they won't that is for the Lord to figure out not me. But I know how i'll feel if I don't do the work when I am able and when on the other side find they are stuck because of what I did not do for them. Also our actions and desires to serve the Lord have a saving effect on those we love as well. If Heavenly Father really loves each of us don't you think he'll do all he can to bless us for our devotion? I don't have the full answer but I know I have felt someone with me on occasion when I have gone through the temple for non family names so there is some good reason those on the other side still want the work done. I'll just have to wait until I'm there to fully understand why.
  18. Like with everything in life too much of something can be bad. As others have said balance is the key along with something most people neglect flexibility. There are times when for short periods I put 20 hours a week into my calling and neglect stuff at home. Other times it is the reverse lots of time at home little on my calling. For me it is the same with Scripture study there are periods when I feel compelled to spend lots of time scripture studying others when I miss a few days or just read a little. Do what works for you and the Lord prompts. There are no special rules do what works.
  19. I am a Latter-day Saint and live in a Valley
  20. 1 The lord has a hard time giving us answers when we are very stressed. Both you and your husband should force some time together to be together, study scripture and calm your minds then the answer might come through. 2 IN the 80's a person I knew was going to loose the family home so he took on all the work to make ends meet. The high interest rates of the period were financially killing the family. By working every moment he could he ended up saving the home. But it was an empty shell, he lost the family. The kids thought he didn't care cause he was never around and the wife couldn't take the stress. He told me this in the 90's. He thought he was trying to save his family instead he realized it was the lifestyle and stuff. If your working interferes with your children quit. No matter what happens being there for them is most important. Kids don't think Mom or Dad is away work to provide for us, they think no one is around when I need them. 3 You said $400 per month, I assume this is take home pay. Have you looked at the income tax costs, travel expense, clothing, food etc. Add in related expenses that you have as a result of you working as well such as buying more prepared meals instead of scratch, more running around etc. We discussed my wife going back to work when the last child started school but when we looked at expected income deducted its effect on our Tax return and all the related expenses she would have cleared at best $150. per month. Not worth the grief to our family. After much searching and praying she found a stay at home job that clears with all related expenses $500+ month. 4 Some suggestions that people I know have done to increase income mostly from home. a Dumster diving for cast off stuff to sell in yard sales. They averaged an extra $150 month. b Taking some money and going to auctions where they have group items of misc boxes to go as one batch. My friends brother supported a family of 4 buying those groups seperating the few ebay items and flea marketing or yard selling the rest. He started out with $150. c I went to business school with a guy who paid his tuition and supported himself with an interesting idea. He would advertise yard, basement, garage cleaning service. When he had jobs he would contact the local employment office and hire the required number of unemployed workers at minimum wage. He would meet them before school at the home leave rakes etc and a trailer to put the garbage in. (they provided own safety footwear etc and signed a waiver about not being insured.) When he finished class he would go collect the fee, pay off the workers then take the trailer of garbage home. He would seperate out the good stuff and have a friend sell it at yardsales on a 50-50 split or put it on ebay if it was worth it. The rest he hauled to the dump. d My cousin and her husband have supported themselves for 15 years after being laid off from a government job by being smart. When crafts were huge they imported the raw items and sold them by mail from home. When that died down they made stuff sewing wood working etc and sold that at mini malls that are like permanent flea markets open 3-4 days a week. When that died down they used their old motor home to travel to various venues like parades, fairs etc selling popcorn and novelty food items. That started dieing down two years ago so they now are back in a mini mall selling breakfasts and lunches four days a week. You might be surprised at what you can do around you to make money. Look for a need no matter how small and then fill it. You said your going to school part time is there a need the students have? Ive seen people go into second hand stores buy stuff students need and usually pay full price for cause they don't know any better. They sell it to the students at a cheaper cost for them and make a good profit for themselves. Hope some of this helps. I do know the Lord does answer us, but in his time and way. Sometimes we have so much noise from stress etc going on we just can't hear it. Also sometimes he answers us through other people or things. I've had answers come as a combination of things from scripture study, home teaching and sacrament that all together gave me the answer. Find peace for yourself and for your family. I understand financial crises especially now for our family as well. But I always think of that guy and his empty house.
  21. Once again I didn't take time to ready all the replies so might be repeating. I too had a hard time with Joseph Smith at first. But three things got me through it until I had a testimony of it. The first is when I prayed about the Book of Mormon God confirmed to me it was true and that the church was true. How could it be true if Joseph Smith was not? Second In early 1800's rural America the youth of farmers had little education. Joseph Smith could not possibly have known enough of the world to create the things in the Book of Mormon at that time. Even the shape of the America's was not clear, especially South or West. His education and the books available to him simply would not give him what he would have had to know to create the illusion. Third, I freely believe a young man with no real chance of being more then a dirt farmer might make the whole Book of Mormon, God visited me etc story up. What a way to get attention and maybe wealth after all. However when he first began speaking about God's visit he was abused and tormented. If I was a teenager I might say these thngs happened but when the response was pain and being a laughingstock I would quickly forget it or confess I had made it up. The only way I would keep saying it was if it was true. Having had that experience why would any sane person continue on into the Book of Mormon etc. I have to assume he loved his parents, siblings, wife and children. Why would he allow them to be driven from home after home, loose all possesions and many their lives in support of a hoax? The only logic I could find was it has to be true, no other logic flows. As to you've read so much about Joseph Smith you can not allow the chance he might be right and they wrong. Let me give you a historical incident. In the early 1800's railroads began to be built driven by steam engines. Nothing had ever been seen before. In England where most of this was taking place men of learning, in science, medical, construction etc said that if a train was to go 30mph there would not be enough air for people to breath and everyone would die. They produced evidence to support the claim. Thousands gathered to watch the first run of the train and see how many would die. I figure you can know how many could not breath at 30mph. Those same learned men quickly created new evidence to support why it was possible. You can find evidence to prove or disprove every theory of man. We find two points then fill in the middle with theory to create the logic but all too often that logic of man changes as new points are discovered. Faith is believing in the absence of evidence. But theory is not always evidence. I can not prove with evidence that Joseph Smith is real. But logic said it was the most likely explanation no matter what man said and faith along with study gave me the testimony to know it was real. Man can think what it wants in the end they have always proven themselves to be wrong.
  22. PC perhaps instead of you being all thumbs, God was directing you to steer him this way!
  23. I went and tried to answer the thing but after the first 20 questions I gave up the answers wouldn't help much anyway. example #6 Can you tell me where lds scriptures come from? Who makes it? answer: Who makes it is the lds Distribution center I believe in Utah. Where it comes from is God through the Prophet Joseph Smith. The next 4 questions I answered see #6. The next 14 was the same vein. All of them were saying where does the church say..... not something like what is the church belief or what does God direct the church to .... Either a young person has created this or someone who is trying to lead answers to confirm an opinion they already have. Or at least that is how it seems. So I stopped it.
  24. Sorry didn't have time to read replies so they might have answered it for you already. Personally my wife and I did nothing to encourage them to fast. We have three 14,11,10. The youngest fasted for 1/2 a day, the middle one fasted the entire time. The oldest takes medication that requires her to take food, so she didn't. She has on occasion but the meds are hard on her stomach. My wife fasted but I am in the same situation as my oldest which makes fasting more difficult. We never did anything other then be an example of parents who fasted ( I used to be able to do so regularly.) They decided on their own to fast, we let them know they could break it anytime they choose even if it was 15 minutes later. We are instructed to not force or pressure children to fast although we can and should encourage them to do so as best they can. We did teach the proper way to fast and the benifit from doing so. But have left it up to them. As far as the older ones go, trying to force them to fast is not going to gain them a testimony of fasting but actually create a negative backlash at the church which will have the opposite effect then what you seek. Also at that age many teens require large and frequent amounts of stuff as their bodies go through many changes. Unless they volunteer to do it I don't think you should try to get them doing it. Now having said all that I have one alternative suggestion. I have seen some families who have organized family fasts with their children ( but not young ones) by preplanning the event. All week talking about what to fast for, Praying about it the day leading to the fast then beginning it. During the evening and after church the next day having planned to play games etc to help occupy the mind to ignore the body. Then after they complete the fast they have a reward arranged for that evening or the next day. Some was special meal, or a movie night etc. If other things are going good with them such as attending church, going to classes, family home evening etc then I would not worry too much about fasting. If those things are not going well then fix them first cause it is usually easier then trying to fast if they are pulling away from the spirit.
  25. Yep Fall session of General Conference is first weekend in October. Two two hour sessions on Saturday and two on Sunday plus a third priesthood session on Saturday. The Sisters had their session last night. It is a chance for us to hear from the Prophet and other church leaders via broadcast. :)