Setheus

And their "fear" of this light skinned people and or god stems from......? Nephites? Vikings? Ghosts? Choose one.

It would have been easier to do this.....From another thread...."Jesus was a fake". Then end. Discussions? Anyone?

I read something once about "discovering" the americas (non lds publication) and the Aztecs were talking about how they had not built the great cities in which they lived. (possible hint at a destroyed Nephite/ Myan nation?) And also, the first spanish conquistador (spelling) was reported to have been refered to by a word that was later identified to mean "Great White God" and that the people had religious stories about a "white man with a beard" returning from the east. Hmmmm? There are so many twists to this game of life. I'll try and hunt down that article.

Come back! Move towards the light!! Its not too late.

Are you referring to T'Pol in last Friday's episode (the Mirror Universe T'Pol) or the regular T'Pol in 22nd century regular universe? MU characters tend to live darker lives, more aggressive, more paranoid, more sexual. Therefore the attire fits the society. When it comes to 22nd century Vulcans in the regular universe all we can go by is Enterprise canon. If the Vulcans find their attire functional, even T'Pol's attire (which has evolved during these four seasons) who are we to argue about it. M. So do you guys go right from the tv to the computer or what? In the regular universe people go outside, drive cars, meet real life humanoids and some times even mate with them.

Its funny, we came here to become gods, instead we watch Star Trek.

I don't know about "gay pari" but this country is a wicked crime ridden place. B) you mean Police serve an actual purpose?!?!?

I wonder, what about his dad taking him out of rehab? Will this in some way be put on the dad's "record"? After all the son was recievning help (harsh as it may have seemed) and he removed him from that help (and didn't put him into "better/different" help. Because once a person is commited to a place like that they are not given a choice to stay or go.(unless they commit themself) Its up to the head of that medical facility or the MD in charge of them. I'm not suggesting that the son's problems were his father's fault. Just that perhaps the father not only didn't help but hindered the son's recovery. I don't know if this makes sence. I was on watch until 0400. It might be rubbish.

So does he get all angry and confused when he runs across the show Reading Rainbow and see Jordie LaForge hosting? Or when he learned that Capt. Picard is REALLY Dr X of the X-men!!!!

Star Trek was really cool until people started thinking they were Star Fleet personel and Klingon. What a bunch of LOOSERS. Now to pretend to be Storm Trooper, well, thats just all together a different matter. Rent the movie "Trekies"!!!! Its in the special intrest section of your local Block Buster. It is HIGH-Larious!!!!

actually if you want to increase your odds push or strike at the attacker and then run. This will give you valuable seconds. Try it. Have someone shove you and then run. See how long it takes you to regain your composure enough to re-attack. You don't have to knock them down or hurt them. Just do something to throw them off. Put a kink in their plan. Even if all you can do is spit in their face. Also, when walking to your car try walking past it a ways and then double back towards it. If anyone has been following you they are now in front of you wich will destroy their element of suprise. Have anymore possible situations just ask and I'll tell you what approach my training would suggest.

I believe in a chain of command. I would send a letter (0r tell in person) your stake leader. And I would also send the same letter to the Mission Presedent, the Temple Pres. of the Temple she was sealed in, and to all the the Quarum of the 12 and the First Presidency. ( this does not violate the chain of command, in that the purpose of a chain of command is to ensure that everyone knows what's going on.) You'd just be speeding the process up a bit. So what if the bishop didnt know her. If she was a member of his ward she was HIS responsibility!

While I agree the catholic church has done a lot of good things, this just shows more to support my thread of not having a line back to Peter. They do not even allow themself to be inspired of the Holy Spirit. They have sort of "if its God's will it will just sort of work out that way" mind set. To me the Pope is no more "an inspired mouth piece of God to the world" than the local pastor at the church on the corner.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies Import Middle Eastern oil: (The following, you want to avoid buying your gas from:) Shell............................. 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon / Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18BILLION! Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: (These are the companies you need to buy gas from:) Citgo.......................0 barrels Sunoco...................0 barrels Conoco...................0 barrels Sinclair...................0 barrels BP / Phillips..........0 barrels Hess........................0 barrels ARCO.....................0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

You used to have intellegant remarks and comments Ex, but now that you have reached the limits of what you are willing to undertand you have become boring. And your comments are now lame. QUOTE I doubt many Mormons hang out on Eastern Orthodox web sites arguing that St. John Chrystostom was a nasty anti-Semite, or that its hierarchy was too influenced by Byzantine politics, or that baklava is sacriligious. I doubt many Mormons have even heard of St. John Chrysostom, let alone ancient Byzantium! What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? The point is You always come to the Mormon site. If you have found truth and peace elsewhere why do you return "here"? Go away and make your self a happier person. You deserve it. :)

What is sad to me is that people don't keep their covenants. When you are baptized/sealed/take sacrament, you are making or renewing covenants and promises. When people join the church they should have recieve a personal revelation that the church is the church of Christ. I personally beleive that if you have not recieved that then DON"T JOIN IN THE FIRST PLACE. Because later on after you have been a member and suddenly find the church to no longer be true is it because that still small voice lied to you? Or perhaps you just assumed it would be true. Or you figured you'd join now recieve revelation later? How sad/stupid. As far as being baptized at 8 years of age and later using that as ammo to say "I wasn't given a 'choice' in the matter" is like a child being born into great wealth and later saying "What if I had wanted to be a poor person!" Those born into the covenant are blessed beyond all other children because they won't have to rely on the gospel finding them. They are born into it. For those who asked and recieved that the church is true and have fallen away claiming it is no longer so, what changed? Certainly not the word of God. I look at it this way. Someone says that the sky is blue. Another says he is wrong that the sky is not blue but only that light reflecting off of gases in the atmosphere create the blue reflection. Who is right? Is not the sky STILL blue.

You replied: Now while that type of answer might work on a 10 year old sunday school class, it's hardly convincing to anyone who's educated beyond the 8th grade. I can only assume that you don't have anything to back up your statement. So a simple retraction will do. There is a lot of talk going on here but very little is being said. Perhaps this is why the site is LDSTalk?I do not attempt to "figure out why someone left the church" And I could care less why they leave. I just find it sad that when someone joins the church its all about "I' feel the spirit, its the right thing to do, its the true church, etc etc" BUT when it comes time to leave the church it is ALWAYS "So and so were not nice to me, I was "pressured" to be baptized, I didnt know for sure that the church was true etc etc"> Well, if you didn't ask Heavenly Father if the church was true or not and now you feel like leaving....GO! Have a great life. Take your free agency and run with it. Just remember, when someone leaves they are ALWAYS welcome back.

Only a shallow, narrow-minded person would assume such a thing. Perhaps. But I'm willing to bet I'm correct in my assumption.I've read all this winded debate and I am reminded of something I was taught in training. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. I bet that it's as simple as what I have stated. He has a problem keeping a commandment. I know why you left Ex. Because someone very close to you didn't keep the law of chastity. It boiles down to a very simple principle every time. Lets not nuke this people. K.I.S.S.

Buddy, I am in the military. Navy to be exact. I go to some wild places. I love Thailand. Guess what? I am pushed to have a "cold one" or buy a piece of A__ or chase some tail every single day. Some times by the very men who are on my team and that I put my life in their hands everytime we deploy. Don't feed us this peer pressure bull. Peer pressure only works on the willing. If you want to leave the church, then go! But don't blame it on others. YOU chose to join and YOU will choose to leave. Its just that simple.My one question to you... What commandment are you unable to obey? People go inactive or just leave because they are unable to keep the law of chastity, WofW, etc....which is it for you? What is the root of "I don't know if the church is true." bull you are trying to lay down?

Alpha, what you are using here is what is called a "justifyer". When I am interrogating someone this exact sort of thing is what I listen for as a clue that the person is either lying or not telling the entire truth.When you need to "justify" what you are saying that in itself says a lot. The pure truth isn't good enough....because it isn't the truth at all so you feel you must make it sound more truthful. example: Did you clean your room? Yes. <----truthful answer Did you clean your room? I swear on the bible I did. <----lyer's responce There is a lot of psycology to this but this is the simplest way I could think to explain. Also, what makes your post "G*d's honest truth"? Does He have a dishonest truth? Of course not and that is the reason justifyers are a dead give away.

Because there is no direct line back to Peter.Giovanni de' Medici became Pope Leo X. Leo was a pirate by trade and this was a political move to gain power for the Medici family. That's how. Look at it this way. If the rule is that no one can be pope except the pope's son then all who are potential popes must either be his son or the whole thing is a sham since all are "equally" eligable. Right?

The Conclave At least 15 days (and no more than 20 days) following the death of the pope, the church's cardinals gather in Rome for a conclave to elect a new pope. Unless circumstances prevent it, the conclave takes place in the Vatican palace, where the cardinals gather and vote in the Sistine Chapel. Officially, the cardinals are forbidden to discuss possible papal successors before the death of a pope, although private conversations do occur. Once in Rome, the cardinals stay at the Casa di Santa Marta in the Vatican Grounds, located several hundred yards from St. Peter's Basilica. John Paul II's Universi Dominici Gregis ("Of the Lord's Whole Flock") provided for such modern accommodations -- a far cry from the spartan rooms in the Papal Palace issued to the cardinals in earlier conclaves. Secrecy is of utmost importance during the conclave. No cardinal may leave without consent, and all the telephones are disconnected and the TV sets taken away. Radios, recording devices, newspapers and cameras are all forbidden, and no letters or documents are allowed in or out unless they are inspected by both the secretary of the conclave and a commission charged with guarding its integrity. The cardinals take an oath to observe the rules laid down by "Romano Pontifici Eligendo," which enjoin secrecy and forbid the electoral interference by civil authorities. The church holds these rules of secrecy in the highest regard: The penalty for disclosing anything about the conclave that must be kept secret is automatic excommunication. Papal Qualifications Contrary to what many people think, there are surprisingly few qualifications for someone to become pope: The cardinals can elect any baptized male to the papacy. Actually, even the requirement of baptism is negotiable -- although once a man accepts election to the papacy, he must be willing to be baptized, ordained a priest and consecrated bishop of Rome (and meet the qualifications of those positions). In recent centuries, however, church practice has been to elect someone from among the College of Cardinals. Voting Only cardinals under the age of 80 are eligible to vote, and only voting cardinals are allowed into the Sistine Chapel for the election. The first vote is taken in the afternoon of the first day of the conclave. In the following days, they will vote twice each morning and once each afternoon until a pope is selected. If no one is elected within the first nine votes, then they may devote up to a day for prayer and discussion before resuming. They may do the same every seven unsuccessful votes after that. In order to be elected, a candidate must receive two-thirds of the vote. However, in accordance with a change to papal electoral policy initiated by John Paul II in 1996, if the College of Cardinals is deadlocked after upwards of 12 or 13 days, they can decide to alter the voting process to allow for election by an absolute majority -- 50 percent plus one. The rule change also stipulated that the only method of electing the pope is by scrutiny, i.e., silent ballot -- thus excluding election by acclamation (which almost never happens) and by committee (a technique sometimes used to settle deadlocks). The actual process of voting is quite elaborate. One at a time, in order of precedence, the cardinals approach the altar while holding up their folded ballots -- rectangular cards with the words "Eligo in Summum Pontificem" ("I elect as supreme pontiff") printed at the top. The elector kneels in prayer before the altar for a short while, before rising. He says, "I call to witness Christ the Lord who will be my judge, that my vote is given to the one who before God I consider should be elected," and places his ballot on a thin, flat plat called a paten. Then he uses the paten to drop the ballot into a chalice. After everyone has voted, scrutineers count the ballots before they are unfolded. If the number of ballots does not match the number of electors, the ballots are burned without being counted and another vote is immediately taken. If the number of cards does match the number of electors, the scrutineers, who sit at a table in front of the altar, begin counting the votes. The first scrutineer unfolds the card, notes the name on a piece of paper and passes the card to the second scrutineer. He then notes the name and passes it to the third scrutineer, who reads it aloud. The last scrutineer uses a threaded needle to pierce each card through the word "eligo." After all the ballots have been counted, the ends of the thread are tied and the joined cards are placed in an empty receptacle. Then the scrutineers add up totals votes for each candidate. After the vote, the secretary of the conclave and the master of ceremonies burn the ballots, adding special chemicals to make the smoke appear white or black to those waiting in St. Peter's Square. Black smoke signifies that no one received enough votes to be elected pontiff, while white smoke signifies the election of a new pope. The New Pope After the winner of the papal election is announced, the dean of the College of Cardinals asks the pope-elect, "Do you accept your canonical election as supreme pontiff?" After the prospective pope accepts, the dean asks him what name he would like to go by. Assuming he is already a bishop, he immediately becomes the new pope. The Dean of the College of Cardinals then steps onto the main balcony of the Vatican and declares: "Habemus Papam." ("We have a Pope.") The new pope then appears and delivers his Apostolic Blessing. Fast Facts • There is a custom in the history of the College of Cardinals of selecting someone who is very different from the previous pope. • John Paul II has appointed more cardinals than any other pope. • There are 117 cardinals under the age of 80, which makes them eligible to vote. John Paul II has selected all but three of those eligible. • A pope's election cannot be invalidated once he is chosen, even if he bought the election. • The custom of taking a new name began in 533, when a priest named Mercury was elected pope and felt the name of a pagan god was inappropriate for the successor of St. Peter. • A few early popes, including St. Peter, may have appointed their own successors. • In the early church, popes were usually chosen by the clergy and people of Rome in the same way that bishops in other dioceses were elected. This democratic process worked well when the church was small and united, but disagreements led to factions that fought over the papacy. • After the eighth century, the papal electors were limited to the Roman clergy. • Pope Leo I (440-61) described the ideal by saying that no one could be a bishop unless he was elected by the clergy, accepted by his people and consecrated by the bishops of his province. • In an attempt to reform the electoral process, Nicholas II (1059-61) proposed a system whereby the cardinal bishops would meet to nominate a candidate and then invite the cardinal priests to vote on him. In 1179, Alexander III modified this system by including all the cardinals in the election process from the beginning. • In 1274, Gregory X institutionalized this practice of sequestering the cardinals when he established the conclave. Under his system, the cardinals would be locked in one room, where they would sleep and vote. After three days, their food would be limited to one dish per meal. After eight days, they got only bread and water. Such severe regulations were not always enforced, but conclaves could still be dangerous to a cardinal's health. • In July 1623, eight cardinals and 40 of their assistants died of malaria during a very hot conclave. • The last conclave to last more than four days was in 1831. It lasted 54 days.

You know what would be funny? If a mod locked this topic. Then we'd all know when it died.

Well?....

As a member of the Nibley family I just have one thing to say.Didn't happen. Setheus