mikbone

Not quite. Without the Atonement of Jesus Christ we cannot assist and we are damned.. Everything depends on this solitary act. And it appears that even if God the Father had performed an atonement previously, it did not have the power to save us. We required a new Savior that we covenanted with prior to his execution. Matt 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt

It takes a village?

I understand your argument. I just don’t like it. It has irritated me since I started researching the topic 30+ years ago. My current understanding is more intimate and would require much more learning and work. I think that we are capable and have the seeds of divinity within us. Every ordinance that we partake suggests such.

Your argument is valid. I just don’t like it. The KFD and Lorenzo Snow’s couplet suggest so much more though. As well as scriptures like 3 Ne 27:27 and D&C 122:7-8

OK, we create spirit children. But the real relationships that they have are with Jesus Christ (who they perceive as their God the Father). And Jesus Christ’s firstborn will serve as their Savior. Right? But all the honor continues to go to the royal line. We create spirit children - then give them up for adoption? And if that is so, then we might actually not be the spirit children of heavenly father…?

So what happens to those that obtain exaltation yet were not Saviors. Will they be able to have spirit children? And if so, who will serve as their children’s Savior? For those branches that depart from the Savior lineage, the father - son relationship will no longer hold true. Eventually you will have mortals looking toward a Great Great Spiritual Uncle and dependent upon a firstborn firstborn, firstborn in a galaxy far far away for their salvation?

I sure hope that cooler heads prevail.

orly? But, you could also state that a true religion is instituted by God. Whereas a false religion is perpetuated by Satan. There are people out there that can be just as inspired by a false ideology as a false religion that are willing to do stupid things. Emnity exists outside of religion. I was just listening to a Chinese nationalist spokesperson arguing why Taiwan is still part of China. Pretty firm beliefs. He was angry too.

Yes they are horribly corrupt. Their campaign of misinformation is out of control. They have all kinds of internal problems. And the numbers of military supplies and effect are questionable. But then again, 19 guys with a bunch of box cutter’s perpetuated September 11, 2001.

Elder Clayton Christensen also makes a cameo in the video.

Im starting to hear alot of chatter about this island. A tweet that China is planning an invasion in early June. China just tested a military exercise effectively performing a blockade. US marine troops are doing exercises in the Philippines. And a Naval battle group led by the USS Ronald Reagan is in the area as well. Taiwan produces 60% of the world’s computer chips. And 90% of the production is done by a single company, TSMC - Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company. The supply chain problems of COVID will pale in comparison if anything happens to TSMC. My IRA is heavily invested in technology as well… Anyone have some insight?

Who served as the savior for Heavenly Father?

Same here, a few options I have considered. 1) The rib is a figurative term used to denote that Adam and Eve are equal. This is my belief by the way. 2) Eve could be a clone of Adam. This would have required God to have removed some of Adam's bone marrow (Doctors usually harvest bone marrow from the sternum or pelvis bones but a rib could also be used.) Anyway, after harvesting the bone marrow he would then have to isolate a pluripotential stem cell (young cell that contains and can express all the genetic material of the host). This stem cell then could be placed into an Ovum (Mother's unfertilized egg cell), and then implated into the woman's Uterus. Cloning of animals has already occurred using this technology. God of course could have easily done it, but WHY? 3) Adam and Eve could be identical twins. Identical twins occur when one fertilized egg divides into 2 separate eggs. So you could make the argument that God manipulated the very young embryo that was Adam and removed a portion of him (the rib) and made another embryo - Eve. In almost all cases identical twins are of the same gender. God would have had to have removed the Y sex chromosome and duplicate the X sex chromosome for Eve though. Seems a bit far fetched. God has much more knowledge then current scientists or doctors. He could have done all kinds of stuff to make Adam and Eve. But I think that our first Mortal Parents created Adam and Eve in the old fashioned way. They procreated and had two healthy children the boy was first named Adam. The second child was a female, Eve.

Yup too many unknowns. Viviparous spiritual birth? Mortal birth should require - love, sexual reproduction, genetic combination (fertilization), conception (implantation) gestation, delivery Spiritual birth probably is likely very different - except for the love part. Then there is the difference between the birth of spirit children & the birth of Adam & Eve. It would be easier to figure out the birth of Adam and Eve. But we have absolutely no consensus concerning Adam’s birth let alone the Adam’s rib scripture. Good parents love their children, and usually don’t tell them about the birds and the bees until they are of accountability. We obviously are not spiritually accountable yet.

I think the biggest factor involved is the motivation of the parent. Do the children know that Dad is out working to provide for the family. But that he would rather be home if possible to spend time with his wife and children. Or is Dad’s motivation acquiring a me wall, material toys, adultery, escape from an unsatisfactory home life, etc. I see so many African American males who love and would do anything for their single mothers working one or more jobs. I believe it is because the boys know that they are loved, that they are the main concern for the mother and that sacrifices have been made for them. When children see a juggling mother who has multiple concerns and has her children as priority (other than #1) they know it.

and Also one of the big issues we have to overcome before we can travel to Mars and beyond.

I watched it for a few minutes. My prediction? I know someone who is going to be very disappointed.

Give one of these a try (or a six pack).

Yeah

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/19/middleeast/iranian-president-raisi-helicopter-intl Deuteronomy 20:4 comes to mind.

It matters. We did similar. Our decisions / efforts / hardships / trials have made us strong and wise. Our testimonies are based upon the core gospel of Jesus Christ which requires sacrifice and accountability. Our testimonies are not based upon current church policy, acceptance, the winds of current social justice idealism, or unconditional love. I remember when I was a missionary branch president and I had to call a relief society president. I did some research about the women in the ward and then prayed about it. The first 5 women that I extend the call either flat out refused or informed me that they were currently disfellowshipped. I eventually set apart the 6th woman that I extended the calling, and at that point, I had stopped praying about the decision. I hope that this is what has happened with some of the recent callings. But with 16M members in the church, you’d think we could do better. But then again, look at the options that we currently have for leader of the free world. God help us.

They were given conflicting commandments that required Adam and Eve to embark on mortality of their own free will. This prevents humanity from arguing that we didn’t agree to this mortal probation.

I have noticed that Trump has stopped using the nickname Creepy Joe (likely due to Trump’s scandals and creepy activities).

Probably maybe.