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If is difficult having a discussion with non-members about garments. I have no idea of your beliefs. I’ll assume you are Christian. God gave instructions for Moses to create the tabernacle and the ark of the covenant. Noah was given instructions to make the ark. But there was lots of areas where they were allowed to make their own decisions about the construction. You probably don’t have any knowledge of how garments have changed since God made the first set of garments for Adam and Eve. They used to be made from coats of skin. In the past 200 years there have been huge advances in textiles. There are garment styles for the military, cold weather, different fabrics, etc. The new ones I am excited about don’t have tags (Adam’s probably didn’t), and mesh vents for cooling. I live in Redding CA where it routinely hits > 100 deg for 30-60 days a year. And my son is currently serving his mission in Cambodia 🥵. Furthermore the church has found a way to make these new high tech styles with sizing to fit almost all figures and each piece retails for < $4. It’s a miracle! On the spiritual side, it is still up to the wearer of the garment to understand the significance and sacredness of the garment. Our thoughts and actions empower the garments, not the fact that the cotton originates from the Giza plateau. D&C 27:2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory-remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins.

Do you know why it is ok to use water instead of wine; or bread, chex mix, or even Bananas for the sacrament? It is because they are emblems. The emblems become empowered by our thoughts and actions. The sacrament is blessed but Garments are not. It’s up to you to sanctify your garments.

/facepalm California We live in Northern California and have homeschooled all 11 of our children. I had a weak moment about 10 years ago and took a tour of the local school (grades k-6) with my wife and eldest 4 children (concerns about public sports, transcripts, and college applications). Our tour guide was an employee of the school who also happened to be LDS. At one point during the tour we asked about sex education. She went on and on about how wonderful their program was. About how they have specialists trained in teaching about sexual awareness and sexual harassment, etc. I explained that we would want our children to opt out of that class. She stated that it was mandatory. I then asked how big a problem sexual harassment was in the school??? We abandoned the tour at that point. Our children have done fine. We have them read books and write a report weekly, as well as math online. At age 14 they start taking BYU online college credit courses. The eldest 4 have all been accepted to BYU as transfer students (3 in Provo & 1 in Idaho), and only one of them took the SAT. Our prep school has a considerably higher college placement and retainment rate than the local public schools... We totally neglected to teach them anything about gender awareness. Masturbation was discussed with the children on a personal not classroom basis and Im sure that our delivery was considerably different that that of the State of California.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/opinion/sat-adversity-score.amp.html I bet mine is -100

Sorry if I have offended anyone. Sometime if you want a topic to get any traction around here, it helps to write it in a style to beg rebuttal... I continue to follow the Come, Follow Me program, and I love it. I also teach Sunday School and like to bounce some of my thoughts off the wall. So, thanks to all that have participated. Particularly, for the GC talks links. Larry Lawrence's - What Lack I Yet? is quite insightful. I tend to be a bit cynical. And although many here feel that the young man was righteous, I still doubt it... I like to think that this recording by Mark of the interaction between Christ and the Rich Young Man has done much more good to the intended audience (All those who had direct witness of the event and those who read the New Testament) than it did for the young man. Jesus Christ is Jehovah. We cannot begin to understand his level of intelligence, understanding, and ability to see into the heart and mind of every child of God. Of course Jesus beheld and loved the young man. He does this for all of us. And many times the best way to show love, is to give negative feedback. It can be very useful in the right situation. Heb 12:6 Another thought that was brought up, is this concept that perhaps the ultimate display of discipleship is to give away all that we have and take up the cross, and follow Christ. Obviously this is nonsense. The Lord wants us to get an education, get married, and have a family. Become a productive member of society, and the church. Be a good parent, pay tithing, accept callings and magnify your priesthood. When we go to the temple we make covenants to invest more of ourselves in the kingdom of God. But that does not necessarily mean that we are to leave our families in the hands of the Lord while we spend an inordinate time doing our callings...

Mark 10: 17-27 Does anyone else interpret the rich young man as being FoS? I have been around the block and usually assume that people are motivated primarily by self interest as opposed to altruism. So when I read this story about the young man, I don’t have any empathy for his situation. I see straight through his BS. First off, he publicly makes a huge scene by running & kneeling in front of the Lord and asks what he can do for eternal life. Who does this??? Reminds me of classmates who would ask a question in class just to brown nose the professor. Christ then tells the idiot that he knows the commandments and then repeats 7 commandments. Most likely because the young man was having issues with these commandments... The young man then states that he has kept these commandments from his youth. We know this is a lie! No one keeps all the commandments. There was only one man / God that kept all the commandments. What happens next is precious. Jesus knows the heart of this young man. And He makes the request that he sell all he has and follow him (because he knows that he had no intention of making any real sacrifice). This publicly shames the young man, and he turns away grieving. Serves him right. Prove me wrong.

Today I received a wonderful gift from the internet. I loved the graph so much that I had to review the original document. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=50CB355D87CECF5348B7B5497FFB5DEC?doi=10.1.1.64.2655&rep=rep1&type=pdf Some of my favorite passages from the study. And be aware that the study was performed at the Cornell University psychology department, on its own undergrad students (Ivy League, 1470 average SAT score of entering freshmen)... These concepts can obviously be applied to the Gospel... Perhaps one of the purposes of life is to displace Mt. Stupid from heaven to Earth. The importance of humility can not be over stressed. Pride is a sure sign of ignorance. Negative feedback is a good thing. It helps us recognize our ignorance and may allow us to learn.

Woot, just sent in an order! No tags, Hallelujah! The Church is True!

After the fall, Satan was cursed and so was the Earth. But neither Adam nor Eve were cursed! Adam and Eve initially thought that they were being disciplined for their transgressions, but we now recognize that they were given blessings in disguise. Adam was blessed with the ability to work and provide for himself and his family. He was to work the ground by the sweat of his brow to destroy the thorns and thistles and protect the herb of the field that he may eat bread, until the day he died and returned to the dust.[1] Let us realize that the privilege to work is a gift, that power to work is a blessing, that love of work is success. – David O McKay Hard work forever pays - Charlie Puth, Cameron Thomaz, Justin Frank, Andrew Cedar. “See You Again.” Atlantic, 2015. Moses 1:39 This is my work and my glory - God's plan required Adam and Eve to be isolated for multiple decades so that they could pass through a period of learning, reflection and gain perspective on life. Although God told Adam that he would work and eat in sorrow all the days of his life, sorrow was not the only feeling or emotion that Adam experienced. Adam received joy and satisfaction as He began to provide for his family. Yes, the fruit in the garden was free, easily accessible, and sweet, but there was no sense of accomplishment. Prior to the fall, Adam had no way to really appreciate the paradisiacal glory of the Garden of Eden, it was all he knew. Sure, when Adam ate his first crude loaf of bread, he realized that it was a poor substitute for Godly sustenance. But, hunger is the best seasoning.[2] Work causes sorrow just as much as exercise causes pain, or humility leads to weakness. The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods.[3] [1]Moses 4:23-25 [2]The best meal I ever had was a cup of water and a soda cracker after a 4 day fast. [3]Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, December 23, 1776

Let us assume that Brother Packer was speaking to a youth of 10-15 years of age. Great-grandchildren take 2 generations to produce and assuming that these youths would get married and have children within in 5 -10 years and each generation takes 20-30 years to produce... We are looking at 45-70 years and considering that the speech was given in 2011 we are talking about at least 2055 ish. But then again, in the infamous Mormon Doctrine Bruce R. McConkie quotes Joseph Smith in the April 6,1843 GC "Were I going to prophesy, I would say the end would not come in 1844, 5, or 6, or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." McConkie then does some mental gymnastics and supplies the following logic. McConkie is suggesting that a rising generation is actually two generations which could span well past 160 years... Thus if we take his calculations and apply them to Brother Packer's statement we are easily in the year range of 2170! Bottom line So how much life extension can we get in 160 years? I don't know. But I'll tell you what. Its not the quantity of life that counts, its the quality. As an orthopedic surgeon that takes care of elderly patients with osteoarthritis and osteoporotic fractures... I can assure you that life extension without a radical rejuvenation of all tissues would only be torture. And I don't see us curing cancer, arthritis, or the aging process within the next 500 years. IMHO it would be easier to clone yourself and manage a way to transfer your consciousness / memories from the aged decrepit body into a fresh young clone. Or a straight up cyborg. I used to think that the World would end Mad Max style. But my perspective has changed, and I think that we may end up more like Star Trek...

Sometimes we get confused on the difference of Truth vs. Doctrine Truth - D&C 93:24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come; Doctrine is teaching. The doctrine model that differentiates, Core or Eternal vs. Supporting, Policy, and Esoteric doctrine is very useful to me. It can help us to keep our eye on the prize. https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/re-17-no-3-2016/doctrine-models-evaluate-types-and-sources-latter-day-saint-teachings

https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/re-17-no-3-2016/doctrine-models-evaluate-types-and-sources-latter-day-saint-teachings

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I don't know how things went down in the pre-mortal existence. My memories of the events have been wiped. I agree that is is probably not a good idea to disagree with Elder Maxwell. He is a very intelligent and wise man, as well as one anointed of the Lord. We are free to make our own narrative for our pre-mortal existence decisions and actions. I just did not think that your explanation of "customised curriculum" reflected what Elder Maxwell was trying to communicate. Personally, I view myself as significantly less intelligent and wise as compared to Heavenly Father. I have made lots of mistakes and will continue to do so. If I had the option to choose my personal test, I may have attempted to confront my life test as a billionaire, or rock star, or that of Hugh Hefner... I found the following video this AM. In my life, there have been multiple times when I have acted as the adolescent gorilla. Luckily we have a majestic Silverback in the sky to keep us on the straight and narrow. 4D410163-1F48-49EF-B5FC-11C544FA37A4.MP4

The above is the customized menu that my granddaughter would choose for every meal. Fortunately, she is not in charge of the menu...

Neal A Maxwell, But for a small moment. Sept 1 1974 BYU Devotional. The following are a few excepts from the devotional... I think you may have mis-represented his definition of customized curriculum. I recommend that you review the devotional, as it is exceptional. “I believe with all my heart that because God loves us there are some particularized challenges that he will deliver to each of us. He will customize the curriculum for each of us in order to teach us the things we most need to know. He will set before us in life what we need, not always what we like. And this will require us to accept with all our hearts—particularly your generation—the truth that there is divine design in each of our lives and that you have rendezvous to keep, individually and collectively. ... If God chooses to teach us the things we most need to learn because he loves us, and if he seeks to tame our souls and gentle us in the way we most need to be tamed and most need to be gentled, it follows that he will customize the challenges he gives us and individualize them so that we will be prepared for life in a better world by his refusal to take us out of this world, even though we are not of it. In the eternal ecology of things we must pray, therefore, not that things be taken from us, but that God’s will be accomplished through us. What, therefore, may seem now to be mere unconnected pieces of tile will someday, when we look back, take form and pattern, and we will realize that God was making a mosaic. For there is in each of our lives this kind of divine design, this pattern, this purpose that is in the process of becoming, which is continually before the Lord but which for us, looking forward, is sometimes perplexing. ... A second trap into which we can fall is the naïveté that grows out of our not realizing that the adversary will press particularly in the areas of our vulnerabilities. It ought not to surprise us that this will be so. The things that we would most like to avoid, therefore, will often be the things that confront us most directly and most sharply. ... You’re soon going to go out into a world full of marshmallow men. Like the act of putting a finger into a marshmallow, there is no core in these men, there is no center, and when one removes his finger, the marshmallow resumes its former shape. We are in a world of people who want to yield to everything—to every fad and to every fashion. It is incredibly important that we be committed to the core—committed to those things that matter, about which our Father in heaven has leveled with us through his Son, Jesus Christ, and his prophets.”

you probably mean I shouldn't say hopeless. Cuz I am firmly with the OP and Matthew 18:6

I just read some of the article... Great. Worked on some of the temple productions... “But would I consider myself a pedophile? I’ve never thought of myself in that way.” Some cases are hopeless. This looks like one of them.

“I also personally testify that President Russell M. Nelson has received profoundly important revelations relating to temples and temple work.” Quentin L. Cook, Great Love for Our Father’s Children, April 2019

I like how brother Bro Stevenson gave “your priesthood playbook” talk all about sports and athletes. And then President Nelson gave the example of a family where the Mother wrote him a letter wherein her husband and sons watched too much sports.

Juan Pablo Villar - “sure, we just have to run a few errands first.” Matthew 10:16

I heard that the end is nigh. I’m hopeful that we are not hearing much about food supply and prepping though. I like the stress on the spiritual preparedness.

I was hoping that President Nelson would. Brother Cook mentioned new revelation about Temples. Guess we will have to wait.

Quentiin L. Cook

Almost everyone would rather watch a catastrophe in slow motion instead of prevent it.