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Ah but she and the Bishop think anytime they take is 'The Lord's time'. This gives them an excuse to take as long as they want on anything. The Bishop has been known to allow SM to run 20 minutes over. My husband Home teaches them and cant schedule any other visits that night as he is there around 2 hours. Aside..I sat behind her in RS the other week and she had a loud reddish coloured floral blouse and a black and white horizontal cardigan that was on the back of the chair. I'm not kidding, my eyes went so funny that I couldnt even see the teacher by the end and had to move seats for Sunday School, although I could still see it as she was on the front row!!! (Of course)

Thankyou beefche I hadnt considered that. I dont know what they can say that I havent already tried, but it is definitely worth a try. Thanks to you too elgama, I'll try that too :)

I really want to write to Dieter Uchdorf as he spoke here in the U.K on Sunday for our stake conference, it was broadcast to the whole U.K (What did anyone else think from the U.K?) Well it had a big effect on me and I feel a lot of love for the man and really want to write to him. I dont expect a reply but do they read it?? If its some secretary then I wont bother.

Thankyou beefche but I think they are the ones elgama was referring to. They are awful, probably the worst ones ive tried

maternity hmm dont they have special flaps or something and a loose stomach? If not maybe I will try them. Ive tried the chemise ones, didnt get on with them either, they are wider and still shiny, and the cotton ones are thick and shapeless and like wearing a t-shirt.

kpatrey, I am soooo with you. I have trouble with the garments too. beefche, the drisilque ones are the worst for me, the material makes no difference. I sweat more, they are so shiny everything slips off. I have to pull my bra straps up about 6times an hour, and my jeans always slip down over my bum so Im always yanking them up too. The cotton bottoms are too tight around my knees, and the carinessa ones assume i want my waistband just under my boobs. I am used to wearing underwear that sits on my hip bone. I am always pulling the knee bits down and try to find new and inventive ways of making the waist sit comfortably where I want it. Nothing has worked so far Im very big up top (34E) and that has caused me enourmous problems. In other word just cause Im big there, does not mean I am fat. So where they put the seam under where they assume my boobs finish, cuts straight into my boobs. kpatrey, I have been told IT IS OK to wear your bra underneath. Its true that now, temple matrons dont give any advice atall. So if you want to wear underwear under your garments (bra and knickers) then I would say thats upto you completely.

Yes Winnie the Bishops wife is like this she does my head in! Her prayers are like sermons, basically an excuse to tell off anyone she has a problem with. Every sentence is over-churchified if that makes any sense, its too OTT for me. Coupled with the fact she talks about 100 miles an hour and wears clashing brightly patterned clothes, I try to avoid her. She is a nice person, but a bit too much for me (She's also one of those that tries to kill herself being perfect). Nope. Not for me!

It sounds like he just wants to support you. There is lots of people in an endowment anyway, so technically its not upto you if he comes or not, its a free-or all so to speak. I think we tend to invite Bishops to our sealings here as they are the ones who marry us. The Bishop who married us came with his wife.

hi kirsty, wife of dean? Im in the UK too x

I think that when people say 'I know' they mean that they know what they feel in their hearts, and that is enough for them to be convinced of the truth.

Hi! Ull soon be hooked on the forums!!

Hi Dean I live in Bedfordshire. Welcome! Wher abouts are you from and how are you settling into the church lifestyle?

I agree with this completely. However, I think that if one is to assume the Prophet was wrong, and it was his personal opinion, how can we be sure that what any Prophet has said is not personal opinion? We can't pick and choose what we feel we want and pass the rest of as 'opinion, not revelation'. Gordon B Hinckley himself said 'it's either all right, or all wrong'. I have a book that is by Joseph Fielding Smith and he talks about black people in there. It is quite frankly disgraceful. We showed it to the missionaries and they were dumbfounded and shocked. There was an uncomfortable moment in our house after that. It is a very uncomfortable topic, one I find very hard to come to terms with myself.

Does anyone know where Im coming from here? I dont feel that I have a social 'niche' as it were anywhere. We are too liberal and too 'worldly' (or normal) for church. Yet we are too religious for the world. We are seen as saints in the world, but the lower end of the 'righteous scale' at church. It sucks. We have friends, but theres only a handful that we can truly truly be ourselves with. If we let slip a dodgy word or admit to liking a certain programme to some members, they look at you with this look that screams 'heathen!' and then hardly speak to you again. Similar story with non-members. The second you let slip you dont drink, go to church etc, you are treated as a child. 'Oooh dont say/do that around her' And you get excluded from social outings. Its really getting my husband down as he doesnt feel he has any real friends, and Im beginning to have a very confused sense of identity as a bad girl on some days and a saint the next.

Ogre I just realised that last comment may have sounded like I was having a go at you. If you are a recovering al coholic, of course it would be difficult for you to be in the same room, I was in no way belittling our post. I was referring to people who have never tasted alcohol like life long members. Just wanted to make that clear!

I have no problem eating food with alcohol cooked into it. I have considered using it myself as a lot of recipes call for it as a base like stock or soups. My MIL obsessively searches for things like christmas pudding that are 100% alcohol free wheras I have no problem, its cooked out for crying out loud. I wish I could tell her vinegar is alcohol that has not been fermented but then she'd probablyu never eat it again! I think the main problem we as members are guilty of is seeing alcohol as 'bad' and 'wrong'. Just because we do not drink it does not make it some sort of devilish evil substance. The Saviour even drank alcohol and dont tell me it was 'grape juice' because that is rubbish as a) water wasn't safe to drink then and b) The word of wisdom didnt exist so there was no reason for him not to drink it. Alcohol is something we personally choose to abstain from. It is only bad when misused, something that can apply to a lot of things. So why people feel the need to avoid it as if the will 'catch' the sin or somehow become an alcoholic just from being in the same room need to re-asses their lives a little!

No problem atall. I feel its normal. My family have alcohol in their houses, we go to pubs, clubs and restaurants all the time. I don't drink, but I am not obsessed about avoiding alcohol. Thats silly. I have no problem being around it. I dont like being around people if most of them are drunk, however, purely because it is no fun whatsover for a non-drinker! me and my hubby go into pubs every week, if not for a meal, then in the summer we will have a drink and sit outside. Its part of our culture.

That one about funeral potatoes....I never got that. It must be an American thing? What are they?

Godless, I understand why you feel so worried. My DH told me for ages to come clean to my Dad and tell him I wasn't sure if the church was true and that I was having problems. I put it off for a year or more. Eventually HE brought it up. I should have done so sooner. But I love my Dad, and I was so worried about what he would think and about disappointing him as I am the only active child left. He was good about it though, I really should have come clean sooner. I think you must truly love and respect your parents to have put this off for so long. But if they really love you they will understand. Yes, it might hurt them but if you are open and honest then your relationship will be closer and more open when you feel you are not being deceptive anymore.

We do what anyway? Well yeah we will talk to him on Sunday and see what happens. We'll still pay our tithing, our goal is to go to the temple to do work for my mother in-law's parents, thats what brought all this about.

Great suggestions everyone. Seeing as I do the cooking, my choice will be final unless he decides to cook (fat chance lol!!). Me:1-DH:0!!!!! On a serious note we will go and buy a recipe book together with meals in that we both like.

Well, what has now happened is that when we called all our creditors to make firm arrangements, they refused and threatened us with court action. We ended up having to fork out loads to appease them and stop any court action. We're up to date on that front now but as a consequence we're a month behind with our rent. If anything, our situation has worsened. We will have to talk to the Bishop on Sunday. I dont know what will happen now

I feel EXACTLY the same way as you BJW. This was my situation a year ago. It confused me and shattered my belief system and my life quite frankly. I get very annoyed at the picture painted by the chuch that the early members were somehow these saintly beings, when in reality they were all totally messed up. *Sigh* I still dont know how I can resolve these issues. I think you are on the right path though by focusing on Christ rather than the early prophets of the church. You could explain it away by saying they WERE frauds, bad people etc. But for some reason the Lord chose them to restore and lead the church. I think for me that is the only way I can ever get past it. It still brings up issues tho, as I dont have much motivation to keep gospel principles, as I cant be sure if they came from the weird and wonderful mind of Joseph Smith, or truly from God. I really didnt know that about emma smith poisining Joseph tho. Where did you hear that from? By the way, you dont have to be 'excused' from any part of church atall. Its not school, where u need permission or a note from your parents. If you dont want to attend Priesthood, dont. You could INFORM the Bishop of your decision if you feel thats what you want to do, but you do not need his permission.

Haha! It means like, you have it worked out, or sorted. I didnt realise that was an 'English' word. Thanks for the tips Dravin and the-ogre. The more I read your posts the more I realise how weird my DH is with food. He WONT eat sandwiches because he says they go soggy and taste funny. he only likes BOUGHT ones. He will eat them if forced, so I think maybe I should start making his lunches then he wont have a choice. I suppose Im trying to avoid treating him like a child, and want a partnership relationship. I actually think a lot of his problems are psychological. Ive told him in the past to 'get over it' but he thinks Im not being sensitive then It is a really big issue for him, his biggest challenge on his mission was food. He does suggest meals, but has like certain stipulations which now I write it, I realise are ridiculous and more based on what he WANTS. Like he would eat veg, but not steak with veg, only chips ,as it 'doesnt go'. I def need to tell him to get over THAT one lol Lesson learned: Stand my ground and make the decisions first before he has a chance to protest!!!!

Very true...but he takes the take-away option if he doesnt like what I cook. Maybe I should hold my ground and cook it for him anyway, whereas now I dont casue I no he doesnt like it. He likes vegetables, but only certain ones and will only eat them in a roast-dinner format which we cant eat every day. hordak sounds like you have it sussed. Pasta is one of my DHs hate foods lol I'm working tonight so Ive made myself something and he can sort himself out later-probs a takeaway tho! To be fair he has come on some since we were married and now eats rice (he never had rice before he was 20 as his mum saw that as 'exotic and foreign' and they only ate british based meals). I think it will take some time, but guess I should persevere, be more firm, and when the kids come along use them as an excuse!!!!