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As for Visiting Teaching, I have asked my Relief Society leaders to be included in the rotations whenever possible and I would happily visit my assigned sisters if I had them. I have only ever been included during the first year or so of our marriage, but then the leadership changed and I never heard from anyone about it again. ..Unless I pursued it myself, and even then, nothing. We have since lived in two different wards here in Utah and I have never been visited, much less called.
Your leaders are very busy. If you requested an assignment when you saw them at church, they may have remembered it or they may have not. Every leader is different and every leader is responsive in different ways.
If you really want a Visiting Teaching assignment then I can't believe they wouldn't have given you one, if you pursued it. If you haven't actively pursued it, then I propose that you do so now. Ask your RS president, get with the RS secretary/counselors and get an assignment. Trust me they are looking for willing people to do the work. Oh, you have to come to church in order to be considered reliable....
If you want a home teacher, and just mentioned it in passing to the EQ pres or Bishop then they may or may not have remembered. Every leader is different and is responsive in different ways. If you don't come to church on a regular basis, then they have no way of knowing your temperature.
If you live in Utah then you likely have a huge ward. It is easy to get lost in the mix unless you say/do something about it.
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So I'm the ward clerk. I take the minutes that we pretty much don't do anything with. (I have been sending out a summary email on mondays, kind of like what needs to happen over the week).
But is my ward the only ward that seems to do the same thing in PEC as Ward Council?
I get that Ward Council has other people in the meeting, but our ward we talk about the same thing in both meetings. Who needs help, and who are the missionaries visiting.
Looking at the handbook it says
What are priesthood matters? I can see us talking about Home Teaching (hows it going, how to improve it). I can see we talk about Young Men and how they are progressing? From what I can see the PEC meeting shouldn't even take more than a half an hour. (If its done right). It even suggest having it before Ward Council. Does anybody do that? Our ward does every other week? PEC WC, PEC, WC.
Any idea on what should be talked about in PEC vs Ward Council?
Thanks
My ward has the same problem. PEC is a repeat of Ward Council. It's a complete waste of time. My interpretation is what the handbook outlines as you have posted. Ultimately you are stuck with what the Bishop decides to do. If I were you I would point out the distinctions to the Bishop on a regular basis, and lobby for a change.
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* Not to say that our current wars aren't barbaric. They are. But we're getting less so, and I'm glad.
And this is why we lose.....
We should avoid war at all costs. I think we try to do so. But when we do engage in a war, we are not fighting to win. Wars are won through death, and elimination of the enemy into unconditional surrender. Anything less, and it turns into a mess.
Yes, it is a bad thing when we do not achieve over all victory in a war in which we engage.
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yes, mdfxdb thats how I see it. Just trying to find the line between a good man who makes mistakes...and a man looking for power and riches...
Ps, sorry for the very poorly written messages! Gotta write super fast and get back to the kiddos.
It has been said similarly in some of the previous posts. I will reiterate my previous advice: Moroni 10:3-5
Either Joseph Smith was a prophet or he wasn't.
Find out for sure on your own. Trust God to lead you down the right path. You have all the tools necessary for this.
I can say without a shadow of doubt that I know Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. There is no way he could have done the things he did on his own. Only by divine intervention, could all that has been accomplished, and all that is continuing to be accomplished happen.
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So I have to ask, what of these "shocking" issues imply that Joseph was not a saint? Because, in my opinion, the thing that clearly show he was not a saint (like his handling of money, his temper, or his sometimes inappropriate playfulness), are hardly shocking.
For me, not shocking. I would say for a large part of the membership everything you stated would be shocking. In general the membership of the church cannot stomach the fact that Joseph Smith was a man, human, and subject to the same weaknesses, and mistakes normal men have/make.
When the previously mentioned "holes" are poked in the narrative we understand as church history, they are not necessarily congruent with the general memberships perception of Joseph Smith.
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Moroni 10: 3-5
If you haven't done it yet, then now is the time, you are over due.
That being said, this thread does bring to light what I have said many times, which is that in general the membership of the church does not take the time to truly study our history, and for some reason are shocked when they find out that Joseph Smith wasn't a "saint"...
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The only people it doesn't include, from what I can see, are those who take up arms to prosecute their special brand of asymmetric war against us. We are entitled to self-defence, which is only the expression of that right to life for our own sake we are extending to others. We are not, however, entitled to a trigger happy, gung ho, ramboesque style of conventional warfare that does not count the civilian cost of it's operations, and does not much care about that cost, either. We need to know who we kill, and how, and why, so we can justify - or not - these deaths against the freedoms we enjoy, and decide whether or not the carnage is worth it.
In case you hadn't noticed, this kind of assessment is the very thinking that makes us the good guys, and separates us from those who kill wantonly and indiscriminately.
Again you demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it takes to actually win a war. If we want to win a conflict, then all of our enemies must die. If people associate with our enemies they need to die, if our enemies use human shields, then regrettably they must die.
If we want to make sure to minimize innocent casualties, then we need to create a "safe zone" (aka concentration camp) wherein all those who are with us go to those safe areas, and all those who do not get killed.
It is because of our attitude towards casualties, and war in general that creates wars that linger on for extended periods of time. Especially when we as the West have the upper hand in terms of destructive power.
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A. Do you do your visiting teaching?
B. Tell your leaders you want a home teacher. Don't inquire about the ones assigned to you. They obviously aren't doing their job.
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HT is not a massive failure. If you want a home teacher, you should tell your leaders.
The logistics of Home Teaching are staggering in a ward with less active members. Our ward has 330 households, currently only 25 elders and 25 high priests to visit all of those households.
It is / would be a monumental task to visit teach everyone available, assuming they even want to be visited. I know my bishopric and elders quorm pres spend a lot of time trying to allocate their limited resources.
Don't complain if you don't have home teachers. Ask for some.
Also, are you doing your home teaching?????
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Indeed it does. It's just that, as George Orwell put it, 'Some animals are more equal than other animals'.
My contention is simply that, until all animals are absolutely equal, our sentiments about freedom of expression are founded on sand. Where there is injustice, there will inevitably be revolt.
Just so. My point was not about how bad they are, for which they must answer, but about our own complacently held inconsistencies, for which we must answer.
This is so horribly biased I am at a loss for a cutting reply. It demonstrates my point, perfectly. Our casualties are fighting for freedom. Their casualties, even non-combatant casualties, even women and children, are complicit in their own, and others, subjugation.
So, I'll make do with truth. Not all civilians are complicit in the regime they find themselves subjected to. Nor is it in any way reasonable to define civilians who die in wars prosecuted by the west as complicit in opposition to western 'enlightenment' values.
Best wishes, 2RM.
you do not fundamentally understand how wars are won. Colatteral damages are part of war. Complicity with the enemy is a part of war. Those that are not on our side, are against us, and need to be treated as such. Many times we do not seek a fight, but we are often presented with one. There is a reason the USA has not positively won a war for five decades or more. We simply have not got the stomach to do it properly anymore.
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Disagree. The west values all life. We do not use human shields or incite suicide bombers on innocents.
Those that are part of collateral damage are complicit because they are aiding and sheltering our enemies. If they will not rise up for their own freedom then they suffer the consequence of their complicity.
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You don't know until you talk to your bishop. He might have you attend regularly for a while before giving you a recommend. You can express your desire to attend the temple, but you need to back it up with action.
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For my part, I don't care if a particular revelation came from a whispering of the Spirit, or a pillar of light, or the Lord conducting a stewardship interview with President Monson whilst sipping hot cocoa in matching armchairs in the Holy of Holies.
But I do (maybe I shouldn't, but I do) feel a lot more comfortable accepting President Monson's counsel if I can believe that in general, his experiences with the Divine are at least equal to, and generally exceed, those of any person currently living. If there is a living person on the earth who has seen the Savior (and I think there are many such persons), I have to believe that at some point the living prophet/presiding high priest of the Lord's church has seen Him, too.
No way to know. I don't presume any of them have seen the Savior, or have had anything even close to what Joseph Smith experienced. They probably use the seer stone as a paper weight....
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Not every revelation Joseph had made it into D&C. In fact, many did not. Joseph Smith said many things, and had many revelations, but most of them were not pertaining to the church as a whole, but rather to individuals, or situations. Probably much like revelation received today.
True, we are not told how revelation is received. But does it matter if President Monson has a sit-down with Jesus, or if he has a strong impression? What's the difference?
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On the one hand, I agree that a good marriage takes real, sustained effort, like any other meaningful relationship.
On the other hand, I remember as a young engaged man at BYU commenting to a middle-aged acquaintance that "I know marriage is hard" or something like that. I was struck by his reply, which was along the lines of, "Marriage isn't hard. It's the most natural thing in the world. I love being married." That statement changed my entire outlook on marriage. I have been through some very hard stretches in my marriage, and I am sure I have many more to pass through, but the truth of that man's words ring ever more clear to me as I go along in life.
On the whole his comment was completely true. The good times, and love that is shared by a husband and wife should always outweigh the hard times.
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So basically our bishopric needs to do the exact opposite of what they are doing right now.....
Our seating capacity in the chapel is obviously based on the shoulder to shoulder scenario, but we are well below that threshold by 40-50 individuals on any given Sunday. The whole bench in front of me yesterday only had one person in it.
I am however a stickler for timeliness. Starting late sets a whole tone for how unimportant the sacrament meeting really is.
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Can you explain how keeping the overflow closed and having it open in the middle of sacrament meeting helps with reverence?
My point is it shouldn't be opened ever. Our chapel has a seating capacity of 237. Our average attendance is 182. having the overflow open is just another space for people to have a smorgasbord, or spread their 500 piece puzzles all over the floor.
What I am asking is: What are the practices other wards use to encourage reverence before, during and after sacrament meeting?
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The admission that there were cultural roots to this policy, or the doctrinal aspect. It is hard for me to post link, via using IPAD and not able or not tech savvy to do so from my bed...tough to do it from laptop. Could you post the statement from the Church concerning the issue. It would be greatly appreciated. :)
https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
I think you should re-read this.
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Nope, California Bay Area family ward.
Full volume voices, and the foyer as a full blown playground are accurate descriptions of the conditions.
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Our ward has a chronic sacrament meeting lack of reverence.
Several problems as I see them:
1. They don't start on time. at least 2-5 minutes late.
2. They open the overflow well before the meeting starts even though the chapel isn't full, and no one is back there
3. No prelude music
4. Bishopric doesn't even get seated on the stand until 1 min before starting (5 min before starting because they start late)
5. Chapel doors are kept open the whole time? (Is this standard practice)
6. Foyer looks like a yard sale during sacrament. Usually 15-20 people out there with what appears to be almost every toy their children own.
What is being done in general in the individual sacrament meetings to foster reverence during sacrament meeting and throughout the rest of church?
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You may have heard it before but I've never believed it or experienced it myself. Most people I know with happy marriages don't really work at it. They don't need to.
Wow.
This is a real whopper.
Most people with happy marriages realize it took a lot of work to "arrive", and it takes continued work to stay happy. I think it's very naive, and immature to just presume you can be happily married, and not have to work at it. Don't think that those people you know haven't had knock down drag out fights, at one time or another, or haven't resented their partner or something their partner did at one time or another. The perception of the white knight, and the fairy tale prince charming is what is poisoning people into thinking they don't have to work at love.
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The bishop must note a tithing status for members who attend tithing settlement, and for members who do not attend.
This is put into a report in MLS which is submitted to Salt Lake, and then printed and signed by the Bishop for submission to the Stake. This report is to be submitted no later than Jan 15. On this report is a list of every member, how much they paid in tithing, and whether or not they are a full/partial/non tithe payer.
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I remember hearing once that all these bad things that happened to Native Americans (the Trail of Tears, etc.) came as a result of the Lamanites' disobedience. Can anyone tell me where to look in the standard works or a talk to find information about this?
You will not find such a direct correlation in our standard works. Those are not the teachings of our church.
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As per Estradling75 I have not stewardship over you or any potential decision that you may or can make. I suggest that you have a third option.
I wouldn't marry this individual at all. Recent convert (this is a good thing), bad past, type 1 diabetes. this is just scratching the surface....No I say run far, far, away. Aside from being a recent convert the red flags abound.
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One year of real life will probably tell the story on this one.
My husband is having a crisis of faith
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#1. No kids
#2. Are you sure he's changed, or you are just not happy with who he is right now?
What I mean is, did he have depression before you got married? How was he on church before you got married strong? Just because he is a RM doesn't mean he was strong. Did he serve in church, seek opportunities, do all the things that are mentioned above (prayer, scripture reading, temple attendance).