Faerie

like i said..liberal trash

shhh. mature

Oh, I am not allowed to post to the topic now? And, sorry to say, the topic is pertinent to our salvation. It underlies how we make decisions and choices in our life and determines which side of the fence we will sit on. no Jenda, I'm just saying that there are people on this thread who are getting way too wrapped up in this discussion and acting like it's the most important thing in life... and it's not... didn't mean to imply that you're not allowed to talk about it...just seems silly that some people get so emotional over a subject that no one knows the real answers to...

Jenda, course anyone can apply what you just wrote to the LDS church as Tr2 has so obviously attempted to do so... I don't think this subject is so pertinent to our salvation that we have to know the answers right now..just my 2 cents

ROFLMAO...so he's rude AND sexist... I don't suffer from PMS..I'm pregnant...get it right "daddy"

Um excuse me, I'm offended by your language. Can you keep it down?

Did I stutter? Why am I on an LDS board? Because I can be. So that you can be a royal pain everyone else's tush..that's why. Pretty simple insight.

Is anyone else getting a little tired of Tr2s "crap"??

I went back and skimmed your little article...exactly HOW is that a "conserative" article?

Use the search function and find the answer for yourself. I do not force you to read anything. You read "tirades" because you choose to. what you can muster up meaningless insults by the dozen but can't tell me in 2 sentences or less why you troll here? what a shame...and unfortunately, your tirades are so intermittently mixed with real posts that it's a bother and a shame...fortunately i've learned the art of scrolling, but still..i would think you'd have something better to do w/ your time than make fun of the mormons...

going to a message board to find a testimony is silly and pointless. if you already HAVE a testimony, you may find uplifting messages and a spiritual boost, but you will not FIND your testimony here or on any other board. my husband read the BOM for 6 months, he prayed for 6 months, he attended church for 6 months...the Lord does not always answer our prayers immediately, nor should he...it is only when WE are ready for His answer does it come. this applies to anything in life, not just testimonies... my advice is this: turn off your computer and invest a little more time in prayer and fasting. you will find your answer one day, but not on this board...

rodney and tr2: in 2 sentences or less please tell me WHY you are so hateful towards the LDS church and its members. Your posts show nothing but contempt and disrespect and i am having the most awful time trying to figure out why on earth you bother posting on this board? if you two disappeared, this board would excel and grow beyond imagination. you do nothing but tear it and my beliefs down and frankly, i tire of reading your tirades. so really, why ARE you here?

you people need to get a grip!! lol!! naomi: i'm sorry that you've made your decision, but it is YOUR decision... all this other crap is pointless and lame...arguing about who's being a liar and who believes in what Christ and not one post on this board about anything positive..just debating and tearing down Mormon beliefs...no wonder people are leaving by the droves!!

I have never cringed like that while reading an online "news story." sure I've cringed over opinions, but THAT was ridiculous... but i digress... like Tr2 said (2nd in a day that i agree!!) this Elder knew what we was getting into and good for him for serving both his country and the mission field!!

wow...for once TR2 and I are on the same page!! I read 2 sentences into that article and then skipped down to the comments...typical Liberal trash that anyone w/ half a brain can see through... STOP HATING G.W.BUSH!! You'll be a lot happier and life will flow much more smoothly for you!!

I was always taught that the "great and abominable church" was not an actual church, but that it was an allegory for the ways of the world and the ways of the devil...i even specifically asked in seminary one day if it was the "catholic church" and was told that it wasn't..it wasn't ANY church... it's this little thing called symbolism... so i guess my view agrees w/ starsky's view...

oh the bad grammar and poor spelling in that article!!!!

Funny! So you are eight weeks pregnant? How exciting for you. :) How are you feeling? After making this comment last night, all I could think about was that movie!! I REALLY wish it wasn't so vulgar or i'd rent it again!! feeling? meh...pregnant..lol!!

Here I thought "Dogma" was just a really funny movie...*shrug*

I can't add much to Ray's post... but here's my understanding of how sealing works w/ divorce... you are sealed to each parent seperately...right? as far as to whom they are sealed for eternal marriage, i believe you are to seal to all spouses, and they make the decision to whom they want to be sealed in the spirit world... i could be wrong...

let me change my statement.. every 19 year old WORTHY LDS MALE..SHOULD serve a full time mission... where do I get that from? figure it out

hence why I begin it w/ IMHO..my opinion..am I making law or church doctrine? No! It's my opinion, never said it was right...no child is an "accident" however, God wants us to have ETERNAL FAMILIES...thus I support my view that if that teenage mother cannot provide an eternal family, it is in that child's BEST INTEREST to be placed in one...it's not hypocrisy..it's a personal point of view...I know that each situation is different and blah blah blah...of course there are no hard rules..hence why i said "should" as this is the way it SHOULD go down, but it doesn't always...19 year old males SHOULD always serve a mission, but that doesn't neccessarily happen all the time... should ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shd) aux.v. Past tense of shall Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note. Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon. Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I. Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.

I know you didn't ask me, but I'm waxing poetic tonight and feel like being nosey.I don't think the Church SHOULD do anything. The fact that Church DOES subsidize adoption costs is a wonderful and generous thing to do. Asking the Church to fully pay for the incurrance of children is like asking the government to, and I just don't think it's right. Now, what SHOULD happen is that it SHOULD become mandatory law that INSURANCE COMPANIES cover infertility treatments to whatever point they deem neccessary. There are a handful of states where this is so, and for the past 2 years I've seriously considered moving to Mass. just for IVF coverage. HA HA!! Obviously the Lord had other plans and after much trial and tribulation, it's a moot point. Again, adoption and child bearing is not welfare, and it's selfish to EXPECT the church to completely foot the bill.

By paying for child care costs (shudder) of unwed teenage mothers, you are going AGAINST the whole purpose of "eternal families." I don't see it as splitting up the teenage girl's family, she still has her family (mom, dad, siblings, extended, etc.) while that lucky baby is getting an eternal family. I don't see hypocrisy, I see a wonderful answer to nature's cruel trick of infertility and loss.

My LDS niece was a teen pregnancy statistic. She was 14 when she got pregnant and the boy was 16. Her parents wouldn't even consider adoption, nor his parents who are Catholic - and the Branch president counseled the teens to get married at 14 and 16 years of age. The teens wanted to get married and both sets of parents gave their permission. It has been 6 years later, they have just had their 3rd child, she is 20, he 22. And as far as I can tell (we live many hours away from each other) they are doing pretty good, considering - and their kids are so cute. So Faerie, what do you think about having teens get married? For me personally, at the time, I was against it. M. That's a touchy subject. LOL!! On one hand, it's wonderful that the mother and father can be together in a healthy, loving and supportive marriage and I would hope that on the age of 18 they would do the right thing and be sealed for all time and eternity... On the other, who knows what true love is all about at age 14? What 14 year old can honestly and maturely work through real and serious marital problems that come up in everyday life? I know that the church fully supports the parents marrying. It's only when the parents do not wish to be married that adoption becomes the answer. I guess I don't really have an opinion on this particular question as I've never been party to such a situation. I think it would depend on each individual and situation. And I hope I NEVER have to be party to this type of situation lol!!