Latter Days Guy

Agreed; the troll alarm started beeping as soon as he began posting... B) I've got to get me one of those! A Troll Alarm TROLL ALERT!!

You could smell Adam and Eve when they sinned?

There both great movies! I'm going to ask the missionaries next week if they have one of those toilet pictures

Since we, LDS, believe that Jesus is God, what then is the issue? You continue to act like you have stumbled on to something - Prey tell what is it? You, LDS, don't believe that Jesus is part of the Trinity, one as God the Father and Creator of the universe. You reject the traditional view of the Messiahship of Jesus the Christ and accept a lie taught by one single man, Joseph Smith and the church he founded. When someone such as myself presents a verse unto you, such as Isaiah 9:6 that clearly and unequivocally states Jesus is God Almighty you twist it around through erroneous interpretation that is textbook LDS doctrine. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Now that I’ve quoted it, go ahead and twist it around to make it fit the doctrine of your Church. When you say that you LDS believe Jesus is God what you’re really saying is that you believe Jesus is A god, son of Elohim, brother of Satan. This is a lie and is in direct conflict with the bible and fundamental Christianity. And I might also add this is in direct conflict with your Book of Mormon!!! You Mormons claim you are Christian left and right and deceive many ignorant unperceptive people, yet you Mormons believe nothing even close to biblical Christianity. blazius Just a quick question, it says that you are searching under your religion. Searching for what exactly? It's plain to see that you have nailed your colours to the mast, the anti-LDS colours that is.

I for one would say that the majority of people who post here who are not LDS and who say that they are investigating the Church are in fact not doing that at all. They are people who are here to sow the seeds of dissent and try to bring people to questioning their faith. I would say that most if not all non LDS posters on this site are here not to support the church but to challenge it.

So why did you deck your teacher and I would say yes you could as I find most teachers are drunk on their own authority and supposed knowledge (I work in a school and know lots of teachers like this!)

What kind of stuff are you talking about?

It's only quite recently that halloween has been celebrated here in the UK. We always focused upon Guy Fawkes night of November 5th. A lot of Christians in this country are against it because of the pagan links to halloween. It's becoming very commercial here with all the dressing up etc and many people loathe the idea of people coming knocking on your door 'trick or treating'. Personally I am against the celebrating of it and will not be letting my daughter to take part. The term Halloween, and its older spelling Hallowe'en, is shortened from All-hallow-even, as it is the evening before "All Hallows' Day"[2] (also known as "All Saints' Day"). In Ireland, the name was All Hallows' Eve (often shortened to Hallow Eve), and though seldom used today, it is still a well-accepted label. The holiday was a day of religious festivities in various northern European Pagan traditions, until it was appropriated by Christian missionaries and given a Christian interpretation.[citation needed] Halloween is also called Pooky Night in some parts of Ireland, presumably named after the púca, a mischievous spirit. Halloween is often associated with the occult. Many European cultural traditions hold that Halloween is one of the liminal times of the year when the spiritual world can make contact with the physical world and when magic is most potent (e.g. Catalan mythology about witches, Irish tales of the Sídhe). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

I also disagree with your opinion of scripture consistency when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity. I believe scripture supports the Trinity doctrine, if you do not, that is just fine. Not necessarily. If a group of diverse believers accept a doctrine as scriptural and can show scriptural evidence for that doctrine, than I think that that shows a unity in belief. Whether you or GB-UK disagree with the doctrine, does not dismiss its veracity with those believers that accept it. M. I think the point that he was trying to make is that it doesn't matter how many people believe something is true, doesn't makes that thing true. Clearly you have made up your mind and I have made up mine. Therefore there is little point in going round in circles arguing the same point over and over again, so I must agree to disagree with you on this particular point of doctrine.

I disagree. If anyone is interesting, here's an article regarding The Trinity: The Trinity (Triunity) of God By: J. Hampton Keathley, III , Th.M. Introduction Because the word trinity is never found in the Bible some wonder about whether this is a biblical doctrine or not, but the absence of a term used to describe a doctrine does not necessarily mean the term is not biblical. The issue is, does the term accurately reflect what the Scripture teaches? In reality, due to the incomprehensible nature of the truth this term reflects, some believe it is a poor word to describe exactly what the Bible teaches us about this truth concerning God. When anyone studies a doctrine like this, reads about it in a theology book, or in an article like this one, it may appear that the writer is saying, “Here are the doctrines we believe, and this is what you must believe, so believe them!” But as Ryrie points out, “If that’s the case it is only because you are looking at the results of someone’s study, not the process”1 that led to their position on a particular doctrine. The goal is to investigate the facts of Scripture so one can see from the process of investigation presented in this study just what the Bible teaches us about how God exists. Historically, the church has believed that He exists in Holy Trinity or Triunity. The tri-personality of God is exclusively a Christian doctrine and a truth of Scripture. It is this doctrine that will be investigated in what follows. Our purpose, then, is to demonstrate that the doctrine of the trinity (triunity) of the Godhead is another biblical revelation that teaches us more about the nature of God or how He exists. The Bible teaches us that God not only exists as a personal Spirit being, but that He does so in Holy Trinity.... http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=215 M. Interesting article, that does exactly what I have stated before. It takes ambiguous scriptures and states that they teach the concept of the trinity.

That is not true. The word Trinity is used as a definition in describing who God is and how he exists based on Biblical scripture. It is a succinct word to describe God. A different but similar example would be Plural Marriage. No where in LDS scripture do you find the words plural marriage. But we know it is an LDS doctrine based on D&C 132. The doctrine has never been removed from LDS scripture, therefore it is a legitimate doctrine and succinctly described by the words plural marriage. M. No, the word trinity is a non biblical word that came to be used to describe how a consensus of 2nd/3rd century church bishops understanding of God based upon Greek philosophy. Yes the words plural marriage do not appear, but the doctrine in plainly taught and expressed within the scriptures. Not so with the trinity, which has no scriptural support based upon distinct or specific scripture.

Here is a site with further information on the subject. http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai016.html

Can it? None of my teachers at bible college would explain the trinity because of the lack of any biblical evidence for such a doctrine. I find that very hard to believe. M. They would say that there are scriptures that could be interpreted as pointing to the concept of the trinity but there is no firm biblical evidence of it. That did not mean that they believed any less in the doctrine, only that there is not a distinct or specific scripture that says God is a trinitarian God. Okay, I can agree that there is not a distinct or specific scripture that says God is a trinitarian God, but that is not the same as saying there is no firm biblical evidence for the trinity doctrine. The Trinity doctrine is based on Biblical evidence. M. If there is not a distinct or specific scripture that says God is a trinitarian God, then by that definition there is no biblical evidence for the doctrine of the trinity.

The great apostasy lasted from the death of the last of the apostles until the restoration of the church in 1830. Some would say that the various reformations etc were indications that the church was in apostasy and needed reforming to get it back to the original church. We LDS would say that it would need more than a reformation but a restoration of the church to bring it back to the original church of the new testament times. One thing I've wondered about myself is the removal of the priesthood keys etc. at the death of the last apostles. Didn't the priesthood keys remain on earth after this time with them being held by the three Nephites who were not to taste death until Jesus returned? I've not really looked into these three and only remember them now because I've just re-read 3 and 4 Nephi.

Can it? None of my teachers at bible college would explain the trinity because of the lack of any biblical evidence for such a doctrine. I find that very hard to believe. M. They would say that there are scriptures that could be interpreted as pointing to the concept of the trinity but there is no firm biblical evidence of it. That did not mean that they believed any less in the doctrine, only that there is not a distinct or specific scripture that says God is a trinitarian God.

Sorry, I fail to see what that has to do with what I said.

Can it? None of my teachers at bible college would explain the trinity because of the lack of any biblical evidence for such a doctrine.

the full block of meetings is 3 hours...approx ! hr each for Sacrament meeting, Sunday School, and Relief Society/Young Womens. i'm sure people will understand if you don't have a dress. hope you enjoy your day Thank you. I decided not to go. So why did you decide not to go?

Hi Stephen, great site! I watched your testimony and have worked out that your British! So where are you from then? I really liked the lego video, very well put together and fun to watch!

I think that Jeff Lindsay puts it pretty well on his site. Do you think that God once was a man? Lorenzo Snow, a President of the Church, once said "As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be." This controversial passage is clearly applicable to Christ himself, a God who became mortal for a time and yet was still and is still God. His work made it possible for us to become as he is, in a sense, for we can receive glorious resurrected bodies (Phil. 3:21; 1 Cor. 15:40-45), we can become "joint-heirs with Christ" (Romans 8:14-18), we can "put on the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:3-10), and we can become "like him" (1 John 3:2). Indeed, Christ even went so far as to say, "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), in reference to the divine potential of human beings. While He and the Father are the one true God, whom we will always worship, He does want us to become more like the Father (Matt. 5:48) and the possibility is there because of Christ. Thus, thinking of Christ and our relationship to Him, what Lorenzo Snow said is accurate. However, it appears that Lorenzo Snow's quote also applies to the Father, indicating that He also experienced a period of mortality, but we know nothing specific. But before you let the idea of "God once being like man" offend you, remember that it is explicitly true about Christ Himself. If Christ were the same being as God the Father, then it would also be true of the Father as well, so non-LDS critics who accept the doctrine of the Trinity shouldn't get so upset. Of course, we believe that God and Christ are separate individuals, one in purpose, heart, and mind. But, in the spirit of pure speculation, let me ask if it is possible that Christ, during His mission on the earth, was doing that which He had seen the Father do? In John 5:19, Christ said "The Son can do nothing, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." Some people have speculated on what is meant by John 5:19 and on what Lorenzo Snow meant, but we do not know and I get very nervous when people pretend they know. Certainly there are many difficult and foolish questions which can be asked in this arena. The important point is that God, Christ, and man are of the same "species," and that man has divine potential to become more like Christ and the Father (e.g., see Romans 8:14-18; 2 Peter 1:4-10; 1 John 3:2). This concept was understood by the early Christians, as show above. Knowing who Christ is makes me very suspicious of anyone who says that we will become EXACTLY like Him. The Bible teaches that we can become "joint heirs" (Rom. 8:14-18) and can become "like him" (I John 3:2) and indeed, need to become like him (Matt. 5:48) and one with him (John 17:21-23). Stronger still, Paul in Philippians 2: 5-7 seems to urge us to pursue that goal, not through puffery, but through humble service: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant...." However, I sense a big difference between the "small g" gods that Christ mentioned (John 10:34) in speaking of the potential of humans (my view) and God the Eternal Father, who is the one and only everlasting God (see also I Cor. 8:5,6). The reference to humans as potential "gods" is clearly meant in a limited sense, but the word used is still "gods." Obviously, we know too little to explain anything in depth about the next life and about "the glory that shall be revealed in us" (Romans 8:18). We are like microbes looking up through the microscope and speculating about the scientist who observes us. We are children, following after our wise and mature Father, knowing little more than a young child does of the things of God. This we know: the glory is to the Father (and Christ) forever. May we return to their presence.

I was refering to the 11th article of faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

I agree, they did not show much of the spirit of Christ with their dealings with this family. I only wish that people would allow others to worship their own way as the articles of faith teach.

I got confused, you said soccer, thats football! That stuff is pretty common in the uk, most kids can do that and more, I used to be able to but since hitting thirty my co-ordination seems to have vanished. That and maybe not practicing for 15 + years

Moonies! I pulled a mooney and almost got caught by the bible college principle

Got home after my physiotherapy and found the film waiting for me in the porch. Stuck it on and WOW!! Fantastic film, I've got to say that I was crying at the end of it. How true the message is, that Heavenly Father loves us now as much as he did when we were little children. And that he wants all his children to return to him, no matter what sin, Jesus died for us! Just got to watch this again in case I missed something.