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    Anddenex reacted to Just_A_Guy in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    No, but if the government refuses to prosecute it or otherwise deter such actions, it’s most definitely a fourteenth amendment issue.
    As far as doctors being fired for espousing unpopular opinions:  I happen to support, in theory, the right of employers to fire employees who are undercutting their business’s core mission or values, even if all the employee is doing is creating bad publicity and even if it’s being done via speech, or religion, or politics, or “moral lifestyle choices”.  But that’s not the world that the progresives want to play in, or the world that had been created under our current statutory regimen.  So we may as well make ‘em live up to their own principles. 
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    Anddenex got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Bull-crap Indoctrination about Bull-crap.   
    I don't know, probably not though.
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    Anddenex reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Bull-crap Indoctrination about Bull-crap.   
    I just passed gas in an empty room in my house and I do not feel bad about it either.  People who think the planets atmosphere is being destroyed by cows belching and farting are just not correct.
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    Anddenex reacted to person0 in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    The website is back up:
    Interesting quote from the references page:
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    Anddenex reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    But this is a big problem in our society.  Somebody does something off the job like fly a flag another person does not like or says something someone else dislikes and then the vengeance begins.  The offended person researches the person and finds out where they work and then complains to their employer.  The politically correct or cowardly employer then decides to fire the person.  It is despicable behavior that is silencing freedom of speech.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    This isn't surprising, sadly. Even if reputable sources show how this method is helping. We currently have a "narrative" that is being backed by "power" and that "power" doesn't like anything that is contrary to its "narrative."
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    Anddenex reacted to mordorbund in Bull-crap Indoctrination about Bull-crap.   
    That's why humans extincted them so hard.
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    Anddenex reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    July 31st 2020
    Doctor Simone Gold, the Los Angeles-based physician behind America's Frontline Doctors, a group advocating for hydroxychloroquine to be used in the fight against COVID-19, says she has been fired for expressing her medical opinion.
    Gold shared the news in an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson Thursday night, saying she was removed from her job due to her appearance in a viral video touting the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.
    "I'm a board-certified emergency physician for 20 years, and in fact, it seems like until five minutes ago I was considered a hero and people would be clapping and glad that I was doing what I was doing, and then the video came out and I was summarily fired for appearing in what was told to me is an embarrassing video," Gold told Carlson.
    Gold, who graduated from Chicago Medical School in 1989 and completed her residency at Stony Brook University Hospital in New York, appeared in the controversial "White Coat Summit" video earlier this week, organized by her organization and conservative political organization, Tea Party Patriots.
    A 40-minute video of a news conference that took place during the summit was posted across social media platforms and quickly garnered millions of views. In the video, one of the doctors, Dr. Stella Immanuel, a Houston pediatrician and religious minister, referred to studies that claim hydroxychloroquine doesn't work as "fake science."
    The video was shared widely on Facebook and Twitter by many, including President Donald Trump and his son, Donald Trump Junior.
    Shortly after the video was posted, however, it was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube for allegedly making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus.
    Gold said that in addition to the social media giants censoring the video, website host SquareSpace also shut down her organization's website.
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    Anddenex reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Hydroxychloroquine touting doctor says she has been fired after appearing in viral video   
    I am afraid we are losing or have lost our 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech.  Person after person has been attacked, murdered or fired from their work because they supported a cause that was not in line with other people's opinions recently.
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    Anddenex reacted to Grunt in Saints Volume II   
    I'm reading the second volume of Saints and there a ton of things that I either didn't know about the Church, surprised to learn how modern day things originated, or wonder why something changed.   I find it refreshing how the story is written and how it includes things I wouldn't suspect.  If you haven't read it, I strongly suggest you get caught up.
    That said, after seeing so many things going on at BYU these days, and never having attended there (although I'm considering applying to the law school), I wonder if people who ARE familiar with the school now feel it has gone off track from the intentions of President Young.  He seemed to make it very clear that it was to be completely faith immersed, unless I'm missing something.  It doesn't seem that the school has held true to that?  
    Also, it was funny to see the Salt Lake Tribune hasn't veered off it's original purpose.
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    Anddenex reacted to Traveler in Stopping COVID   
    I am not so sure - I grew up in close quarters - three boys sleeping sideways in a single bed with our feet hanging over the edge. But we were seldom sick.  Also in Taiwan there have been just over 450 cases and 7 deaths and Taiwan is one of the most densely populated countries in the world that has deep connections with all the hot spots for COVID.  I think we are missing something.
    The Traveler
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    Anddenex reacted to estradling75 in Stopping COVID   
    Because Conservatives (In the small government sense) are a direct threat to their getting and keeping power.  The axiom is Power Corrupts  therefore it should be no surprise that that government has a broad streak of corruption in it.  Because of this we quickly see that politicians can not let a crisis go to waste.  Does not matter what the crisis is... medical, guns, racism, sexism, whatever.  They will promise to "DO SOMETHING" and they do. They grab power and defect from their own crimes.  Case in point, how long has the government been "DOING SOMETHING" about poverty, racism, sexism,, immigration, whatever... and it does not get any better.
    But when Conservatives point out that this Emperor has no clothes... we get attacked.  We get called racist, we get called sexist, we get called uncaring about people dying and even UnChrist-like... all because we see the honey trap for what it is an try to get others to see it as well. 
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    Anddenex reacted to Just_A_Guy in Stopping COVID   
    I don’t know that I completely buy that.  Speaking anecdotally, I think once *one* person in a house has a cold or flu or COVID, the other residents are likely to get it no matter how large the house is—particularly if you have three or more kids in the house.  I believe downtown SLC has much higher population density then any of the three other areas mentioned, generally speaking; if their rate isn’t as bad as the other three, than that suggests this is more a result of behaviors than of mere population density.
    Speaking of behaviors:  it just occurred to me that thirty years ago, we dealt with an AIDS pandemic that could have been easily eradicated if a critical mass of society would simply have 1) practiced sexual monogamy, and 2) avoided intravenous use of drugs.  And we couldn’t even do that.  To suggest that thirty years later, our even less-disciplined society is capable of doing all the things it would reportedly take to eradicate COVID-19, strikes me as not being particularly realistic.  (Oh, I’ll do it, don’t get me wrong.  But I fully expect that critical mass of people won’t; that the mess will get worse;  and that—just like with AIDS—the Powers that Be will avoid taking a hard look at risky behaviors perpetrated by their own pet constituencies and instead attribute the lion’s share of the blame to the Evil Conservatives who failed to love government enough).
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    Anddenex reacted to Traveler in Stopping COVID   
    For the record - I am currently of the mind that no one (mortal) knows how to stop the COVID pandemic.   There is so much differing information within the professional and international medical community - I personally have become skeptical of all so called preventive methods.   This includes any advancements of a vaccine - because of the relationship of COVID to the common flu.  In short the possibility that COVID will mutate and need a new vaccine each season.  But these seasonal vaccines are a crapshoot effort to guess what is coming and not what actually ends up evolving.
    In short we may slow the progress of the virus but even the experts have no clue how to stop it.  What is also depressing in this whole thing - is what to do (treatments) once you have contracted COVID.  I have not found any consistency.  What I have found are a lot of claims and claims that such claims are void of any scientific evidence.  Why would anyone say any treatment is void of any scientific evidence if even one person recovered from the use of the treatment?  It seems that the treatment for COVID is more a matter of where someone is being treated than it is science.
    Now I am reading another alarming statistic concerning COVID.  I had assumed that since over 90% of COVID deaths were among individuals with unrelated to COVID chronic conditions - meaning they were about to die anyway.  So I assumed that COVID was not so much taking out so many in our population as a cause but more of a catalyst.   Now I am reading that if we remove all the COVID stats from current death rates - that the death rates in places of high COVID infection have  otherwise raised or increased on the average of 30%.  But when I went to add the link for this thread - I could not find it?????
    Recently - where I live (Utah) the news is calling this region of the country a "Hot Spot".  Currently in Utah most of the problem is in Salt Lake County - which is the most populated area of the state.  But the hightest infections and death (currently) are in 3 townships - Magna, Rose Park and West Valley.   Interesting that these areas are high areas of crime and minorities.  It is also where a lot of good hard working but lesser paid individuals live.  I can only guess what minority populations and crime has to do with all this.
    Bottom line is that I think the whole COVID thing is more to do with politics than science.  But at the same time - I believe we are facing a critical and important threat. But we are proceeding like chicken running around with our heads cut off.  I do not believe COVID is a hoax - but our response as a nation - especially in the political arena with a upcoming election, might as well be.
    The Traveler
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    Anddenex reacted to estradling75 in The Plan of Salvation   
    For as much as we know about the pre-existence there is more we do not know.
    Many of your question about exact details we do not know.
    However lets clarify come misunderstandings you do have.  I make all kinds of plans... and I usually find out very quickly that they will not work.  While we are commonly told that Satan had a plan.. everything we seen and learn at are taught tells us his plan would not work.  Thus Satan has a plan but there is every indication that his "promises" were lies.
    For those that followed him everything points to them having full Light and Truth and choosing to embrace and side with Darkness and Lies.  Why does anyone one do that?.. I have no idea but people do all the time. 
    Finally angels are not a different type or class in the Restored Gospel theology.  They are simply people like us but in a Pre-Mortal or Post Mortal state, who have an assignment to do something among mortals.
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    Anddenex reacted to Traveler in Satan's First Lie   
    Several years ago I debated (in public) the president of the Utah's Atheists society.   After an number of exchanges - I asked him to define G-d.  It took a while but once I was able to understand his definition of a G-d - I conceded the debate stating that I did not believe in such; that such a being could or does exists.   He accused me of cheating.   But later we privately talked of my impression of G-d.  I responded that I believe there is a G-d that is an intelligent being capable of understanding, engineering and replicating anything that is possible to occur according to his concept of naturally.
    The Traveler
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    Anddenex reacted to Traveler in Satan's First Lie   
    I think your opinion is rather simplistic - you are focusing on a means or a method (to a short term goal) rather than his intended end or purpose.  For example note that when tempting Jesus; Satan quoted and used prophetic scripture.
    The Traveler
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    Anddenex reacted to romans8 in Satan's First Lie   
    I would view it a little differently - Satan hasn't changed, the overall temptation and excuse is,
    "Has God really said ..."
    Satan has always tried to get people to doubt what God has said to mankind.
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    Anddenex reacted to Carborendum in Reverse Boycott   
    I know that for the most part boycotts don't work.  There have been a few in history that did work because the tools were available.  But most of the time, they aren't available.
    However, protests combined with boycotts have power given to them by the media.  And if the media hypes it, they boycotts gain enough steam that they could destroy a business.  (ex: Chick-fil-a in Britain).  What could have saved it is if enough conservatives came out to support Chick-fil-a (CFA) as they did in the US.  But there weren't enough conservatives in Britain to care about it.
    In the US, however, we had a "reverse boycott" where Huckabee called on all conservatives to come out and support CFA by going there for lunch.  All across the country, people were waiting in lines out the door.  Businesses decided to use them to cater business lunches.  In our offices, we frequently had breakfasts every Friday catered by CFA. It eventually became the fastest growing restaurant chain in the country (world?).
    Earlier in Texas, Julian Castro publicised a list of business owners who supported Trump.  And he encouraged a boycott of these businesses. Well, it backfired.  A particular BBQ chain, I believe was in the San Antonio area, which got several weeks of constant lines of customers.  Some were new customers who had never heard of them who just came to support the business.  They declared that if it weren't for the boycott, they never would have discovered how good their BBQ was.  Now they're frequent customers.  -- This happened to many of the businesses on the list.
    And I'm sure you've all heard of Goya Foods today.
    I believe these reverse boycotts do actually have a powerful effect (sometimes dampened by things like the quarantine) because of one quirk of human nature.  People don't know how to "NOT" do a thing.  They do know how to DO a thing.
    Say I normally go to Burger King for my fast food fix.  Then I'm told to boycott it.  The human mind doesn't like being told stop doing something, or to figure out alternatives.  But if there is a good cause and all I have to do is "go to CFA for lunch"... You mean, all I have to do to support this good cause is to eat the yummiest chicken sandwich in the world?  Well, twist my arm a bit.
    Today, we are in the middle of a minor famine because of the damage to the food chain.  But here is a low-priced food company with all the foods we normally like to eat.  And all we have to do to support a good cause is to buy that already low-priced, high quality product that I probably want anyway?  Well, twist my arm a bit.
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    Anddenex reacted to anatess2 in Liberals in the Church   
    You're talking about masks?  Show incontrovertible evidence that ANY mask (and not the N95 or the Respirators) reduce deaths and health problems by such a degree as to overcome the risks provided by mask wearing - health concerns of prolonged non-regulated-mask wearing plus the concerns that made mask wearing in public banned in Florida from 1951 to 1981... plus the freedom of expression infringement that caused the mask ban to lose its teeth in 1981 which is also applicable to its twin sister of mandated mask wearing... etc. etc.
    Smoking has incontrovertible proof of its health impacts not just on one's self but also on others.  Even THAT was not banned in all public places in the entire nation as it is considered an infringement of freedom.  Only 26 States banned it.  Yet... you don't hear too much about smoking karens.
    Conservatives, not so much.  Libertarians, very much so.  They all get lumped on the same bucket usually.  The concept is not about "protection".  The concept is about Private Property.  In the East, there is not much State-owned property like there is out West.  American tradition (conservatism is rooted on tradition) is built on Private Ownership.  The environmentalist debate is that only the State can protect the environment whereas private owners cannot.  Libertarians, of course, take the very opposite position - the State cannot be trusted to protect anything but its own interests.  It even sucks at protecting enumerated freedoms how much more for State-owned property.
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    Anddenex reacted to anatess2 in Liberals in the Church   
    Conservatives working to loosen anti-pollution regulations are like people who don't want government mandated facemasks... they don't believe the pollution reduction rendered by the regulation is significant enough or even existent to warrant the restriction.
    And environmentalists use the same argument as mask-karens... if you don't approve of the regulation you must not care about the environment!  It's so stupid it's not even worth a first-grade exercise in dialectics.
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    Anddenex reacted to laronius in .   
    I think there is another relevant question we can derive from yours and that is: Can a person be committed to such standards without a testimony? Perhaps not a testimony of the Church but of the principles themselves? I think that people can gain a conviction of these things under the influence of the light of Christ and I think that would fall under the definition of testimony. But to bring this back around, if we are judged according to what we know I think these individuals will fare better then the uncommitted who have a testimony of the Church.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from Carborendum in .   
    Doctrine and Covenants 46: 14, "To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful."
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    Anddenex got a reaction from Carborendum in .   
    Doctrine and Covenants 46: 14, "To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful."
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    Anddenex got a reaction from Carborendum in .   
    Doctrine and Covenants 46: 14, "To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful."