The Folk Prophet

Because the Lord has asked us to.

Okay. Sorry. I hadn't read it closely enough. I was thinking it meant the way Utahns interpret things. Which is quite varied. :)

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

But they do approach each other, yes? Which puts a serious kink in the light-stands-still-while-everything-else-moves idea.

Light's perspective to everything else is irrelevant. Light's perspective to itself is what is relative. Unless the theory is somehow trying to suggest that light, relative to itself, is stationary. But that seems to open up a whole lot of other problems. This is a sci-fi theory at best, in my humble un-educated opinion.

Since all movement is relative to another object, this theory doesn't seem to hold much value in my mind.

mrmarklin - Wherein do you presume that HTing excludes electronic communications and technologies and the like. I text my families all the time to check in on them, communicate with them about activities, emergencies, etc. I also visit them in person monthly.

In that if we all acted as we should in all things, I agree. Home teaching would not need to exist if we were all actually loved our neighbors as we've been commanded to do. Why do you think this way though? You can, and should, follow the Lord's admonition regardless of home teaching. There's something amiss in the idea that we cannot serve others unless we're assigned to them. There's also something amiss in the idea that if we are assigned to them it somehow diminishes love and service. I re-read through the responses and feel quite confident that sxfritz was not attacked personally. My responses, for the most part, referred to all those who were critical of the program (which includes some of your statements, right?), and claimed nothing more or less than a lack of understanding and willingness to comply. If that is an "attack" then no, we cannot defend the program without attacking those critical of it. If, on the other hand, the use of the word "attack" is somewhat inflammatory and inaccurate to what's actually happened...then yes. We can and did. I'll admit that the responses about estradling75 not being a "she" got a bit snippier than ideal -- the catalyst for that, however, being sxfritz's snippy and defensive, "My, you are as your name states" comment preceding it. That doesn't justify a snippy reply, of course. But other than that very short exchange, I don't believe anything said to sxfritz has been an attack. Of course, sxfritz is getting defensive and responding like it's a personal attack. That doesn't mean it is.

Which point was proved? Are you really claiming that our defense of a church program means the leaders aren't inspired and led by God's will? I mean, even if in this thread we are overly defensive and closed minded on the matter, how does that prove that those who actually define the church programs are? "Blasphemy" is a bit strong. But, yes, I, and others, will defend against criticism of divinely inspired church programs. Thanks! Really though, the criticism of home teaching shows misunderstanding by those criticizing. Have you ever thought that, perhaps, the so-called "flaws" in home teaching are intentional? That, just maybe, the Lord's purposes are broader and more meaningful than our small-minded understanding? That sometimes humbly submitting ourselves to an hour-and-a-half of boredom is one of the ways the Lord teaches us important lessons? That home teaching might actually be significantly more than just a communication method? That home teaching may be just as much, if not more so, for the home teacher to learn and develop as it is for the home taught? Etc., etc. It's really less about getting our panties bunched up, as you so eloquently put it, as it's about defending and explaining something we understand that you and others do not seem to.

Clearly we don't all wish this enough or we would behave differently. This is not something wrong with divine revelation at all. It's based on the ever-so-trendy idea that our leaders are not seeking new revelation, which is a lie at worst, and blindness at best. This comment points to the core of why you are mistaken, because this is not, nor has it ever been, the "divine revelation" of what home teaching is. Moreover, I suspect, you have a very limited concept of what "nothing of any relevance" means. However, if that is what is happening in some homes (and I don't doubt that it is in many) then that home teaching is not being done according to the directions given. Why on earth would you presume this? You think the Lord is okay with having a broken system that doesn't actually work, that there's a better way but the Lord is just sitting on it in spite of the fact that the leaders of our church are consistently asking Him for guidance in leading His church. Why would He do that? If the Lord wants change, the Lord will implement change. If He does not, He has a good reason not to, and we should trust that, and do as He has directed us to without murmuring. Darn straight. All the lost sheep can go jump! Forget about them! That IS a better way!!

Actually, "he" is a very nice guy. So wrong on both counts. Oh...wait...the HTing thing. Wrong on three counts.

Physical abuse is clear cut. Emotional, not at all clear cut. I would say that the same applies therein as to what you described in the addiction situation. We are all, at some level, emotionally abusive to others. Every one of us! There is no marriage without some level of emotional abuse at some point.

Respectfully, I believe this is inordinately false as well. The reason HTing has mediocre results is because people are doing a mediocre (at best) job of it. The program, if done correctly, would render Zion. All the complaining laid out in many of these posts is why HTing fails. If we would, instead, get over ourselves and humbly do what we've been asked to, then HTing would bring about the promised blessings for obedience to it. HTing, or anything like unto it, will never succeed without the servants of the Lord being willing to actually serve Him according to His will and ways. Moreover, I dread a new revelation given to a weak body of Saints because they are unwilling and too lazy and indolent to succeed with the previous divine revelation.

These statements are both false.

I told my wife very plainly and upfront that Will and Grace was not allowed in our home when she stopped on it whilst channel surfing one time. She changed the channel and it was no issue.

To be fair, I think it invalid to subscribe a desire (want) to kill someone else as exclusively motivated by hate. Why can't you want to kill the guy with the knife from a position of love? Moreover, why can't you want to kill the guy from a position of justice, equity, and righteousness -- your love for him or for the child having nothing to do with matter whatsoever?

I'd go so far as to say "probably won't" face one at all. (edit: unless there are other reasons to as well...like if you, say...murdered someone in that time. )

It's true. Going down the path of the natural man is easy. Choosing the right is hard. But when we do, we find that His yoke is easy. But we must choose to be yoked in the first place...a hard choice.

I was just trying to understand what you were saying, which I do now. You may not understand that I'm saying the exact same thing as you, but I am. So...we're good.

Wait...How does that not mean "as well as"? You must remove them from danger as well as teaching them what danger is and how to deal with it. I mean you used the term "still", but it's functionally the same meaning.

To be clear, I am presuming you mean "as well as", rather than "instead of" ??

Yeah...see...to me, lathing is beyond what I'd consider appropriate for a Sunday activity (unless an ox is in the mire).

Not about Sacrament meeting...which I think is a different thing altogether...but concerning Sunday crafts. I think for many things it's black and white -- don't do it on Sunday at all. However, with some things, I think it's more about setting the day apart. If one never crocheted except on Sundays, it might be a way they set it apart. If one crocheted all the time...then perhaps leave off of it on Sundays. Of course, it depends on how much "work" said activity involves. Crocheting, embroidering by hand, etc., is different in my mind then sitting down at a sewing machine. Anyhow...just some further thoughts to stretch the thread and keep Palerider happy.

In other words, (based on what JaG and Vor have explained), it really depends on what you mean by "support".

All experience is subjective.