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And Elph is??? Um, you might actually want to read these posts, cause that aint the case. (embarrasing...)

Hmmm...... time will tell darlin. Time will tell whether you believe in Jesus or not. And thats a fact.

SNOW!!! Grow up yourself. She is just saying that the man did wrong....which, by authority alone, he did! Was it so traumatic? no.... no one saying it is. Holy cow, man, you keep digging youself a hole here, and its embarrasing.

Thanx for sharing that experience. The patriarch was out of his line of authority. And he cant say or command you to do anything without you getting the confirmation of the spirit to yourself. I feel sorry that this had occurred. I do agree with some of the threads about Utah Mormons and other mormons, I know its a generalization, but the majority of the generalization is true. On a last note, the fact that you defend yourself against Snow without blowing your lid is awesome. Dont let him get under your skin. Blowing smoke, darling, blowing smoke.........

Yeah, what he said.

PC, good question. I met a person who was miserable trying to hide their homosexuality from everyone, and when they "came out", they became the happiest I had ever seen. Was it a transitory happiness? Um, that would be a heck no. Do I condone it? No. Do I mock it? No, since I dont completely understand alot about it. So that is a good question. A person that is gay is gay. I dont see that person suddenly becoming straight as an alternative. I know what the bible says regarding such. And on that note, I dont know if HF will thrust them to hell for liking who they like. Some people are actually (gasp) good people, even if they are gay. They aint going to no Celestial Kingdom, given what holy writ says, but hell? I have difficulty seeing that. So.... I dont know. I just dont know on this one.

That makes me think. I am not so sure why.

That makes sense. And I can see that happening, since alot of early members did tobacco, drank some, etc. befor the WoW. However, I still wont drink it.

and that has to do with.............................. what? Sorry, ya totally lost me there.

I was once told that for every year of being in a relationship, it will take 3 months to get over it. So, if you were together for 3 years.....9 months maximum. OF course, ending a relationship hurts. No pain like the opposite sex. But..... I would guess 1 month to get out of your funk, 2 months to start dating again casually, etc. The whole trust issue, will take longer. ( This is my opinion only, of course).

CK, you continue to astound me. Well said, well said. (to everyone that wanted evidence and proof.. aka scientists..... there ya go!)

Actually, regular science states so. There was a difference (how big, scientist know..) between our wine now and theirs back then. Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

Well, also we know that when he was on the cross, he was doing alot more than what a mortal eye can see. You think Satan wasnt doing anything while Christ was completing his mission? Man, the devil was pounding him from start to finish with everything he got.

I don't agree with you on this. I believe that the 2/3 of the Hosts of Heaven did obey Father in every way. Because we are here on earth, we are from that 2/3 of Hosts. I agree with you that once we obtained our mortal body, we have sinned. Some greatly, some not so greatly. Some have repented, been baptised, received the gift of the Holy Ghost, received their endowments, and in-between they have sinned. Little sins, larger sins, bigger sins. They have repented, not repented. Only Jesus knows for sure. We strive to be obedient. That is but one of our goals. I have to totally disagree with you. There has always been free agency, and where there is free agency, there is the opportunity to choose the wrong thing. EVERYONE HAS DONE IT. Saying you were perfect aka sinless aka obeying the Father in any way in premortality completely defeats the purpose of even coming to earth. We are seperated from the third of the host who heaven who followed Lucifer because we didnt openly rebel. WE DIDNT FIGHT GODS PLAN. That doesnt mean we were perfect, not by a long shot.

Well, not to overkill my presence on this board, but from what I understand, was that Jesus is Jehovah, who attained Godhood in the premortal existence..(my missin president states that maybe this was possible since he was the only one sinless in that state). Before Jesus came to the earth, he was Jehovah.

Oh, I hear ya. But I wasnt trying to state my opinion, just writing what I have heard. That may help the discussion. But correct you are, Traveler. I just try to word it so it doesnt seem like I am stating an opinion, only what I have seen in books...

Snow is just bitter. I guess she knows the ins and outs of science better than the scientists. And.... that doesnt bug me one bit. I hope her science can answer to salvation..... cause its a lonely world without salvation, science or not. ( oh, and for opinions sake..... I think the flood did happen cause the earth needed to be baptised before its cleansed with fire) And that is necessary..... if you believe in God, that is. Thanx!

Dude, I was going off of what I have read. Cause I like to read. It is written by a couple of people, hinted by others, about the necessary part of the council. Just as CK has stated, the role of a Savior will always be part of the plan. That cant change. Some think that there are biblical scriptures that support the notion that there was more than one savior. The scripture that says ( And I am not making my opinion here) Jesus does nothing of himself, but what the Father did. What Jesus has done, he has seen the father do. (I am paraphrasing it, but it is not misconstrued. Source is Teachings of Prophet JS, by the way) Hence, this could support the notion that there had been a Savior before Jesus. There was a God before ours as well, yes? Hence a plan that REQUIRED a council for our sake, something to be planned. Was ours different? Maybe. Maybe. Does it matter right now? NO. But, Lucifer saw an opening. Now why would the "lightbearer", who had even surpassed all of us except maybe Adam, see an opening? You would think he would have learned from other plans made, other celestial beings on how to get to where they are. After all, we are like millions of years old. He thought he could do it because he thought he had a chance. So, just the thought that he saw an opportunity to upsurp the throne...... doesnt that say something as well? Truly, the thought is provoking to an extent, but God knew all along, and still knows the end result. He is perfect, and even IF the plan was different, it was perfect for us. Does that help the discussion a bit? I am not stating my opinion, I have written was has been discussed and written about. Some sources.... Duane Crowther (LDS), JS (references above), and a few in Journal of Discourses, but I dont know the exact entries. Have at it guys....

Ck is right. The last few posts have been really good. I personally enjoyed the one about the anger. I have heard some things regarding different plans, why there needed to be a council, etc. But I wont comment on that cause there is still alot I dont know. I do think, however, that the council was done regarding the plan, and the council is eternal, hence, every person was present, those who were before us, and those who will follow long after us. Isnt it interesting that one of the first things shown to prophets was the council where it all began? That is totally awesome.

Totally.... LOL!!! nice, very nice!

The more we talk of science and religion....the more I come to understand that there is alot that we (everyone) dont know. All will be revealed in due time. Nevertheless, I once thought that there may not have been rain before the flood, but the quote from Enoch makes me wonder....

Yeah, tell it like it is MrsS!! I am with you 100%.

Maybe. But lets face it. He was one busy, busy guy. I would think he would have read the Qoran, or however you say it.

dancegirl, totally. Utah people have lots of children. Yes, I also know many families in Utah that have 3 or 4. Just like the rest of the world. utah STILL has lots of large families!!!!! So when this post started, "You didnt have enough children", I thought it would be interesting to hear what utah/parents of large families would say. Reflection, darling, reflection.

what does it matter where they r from? why utah? Um.....Utah IN GENERAL has large, large LDS families. Those guys are baby makin machines, let me tell ya. I might get reamed for saying that, but really now. Is that a false statement?