David13

yjacket Read my words. I did not say dangerous. I said dirty. And, believe me, it is dangerous enough. Just exactly why is it that you think they carry guns? Yes, it is because there are certain robbers, rapists and thieves that do not want to go back to jail, and will do anything, including killing a cop to avoid going back. And who carry guns. Yes, illegal guns, guns obtained with no background check whatsoever. (What! How did that happen?) dc

Or what if you are just enabling? You could just be enabling. Enabling is where the wife of the alcoholic bails him out of jail, lies to his boss about why he cannot come to work, and 100 or 1000 other things that enable him to live his life as an alcoholic and never get sober. Enabling is not where my friend hands me $20 and says David can you go get me a pack of cigarettes? And I say no. You should not be smoking. And today he doesn't smoke. Not enabling is where you say to the drunk no I won't give you a dollar. I will give you some advice. Get sober. Find a way. Or, let me show you a way. dc

Drugs are not the best form of employment, it's just the easiest. Take the easy softer way. Except fo' them racist (white) cops. Poverty and crime are related in what way? That a lot of people with no morals take the way of crime out of their poverty. A free will decision. Even Martin Luther King returned from Africa and said that Americans have no idea what poverty is, and that poor people in Africa don't resort to crime. Go to Mexico. I have too many times to count. You will see real poverty. And you will see very little crime. They have a high sense of morality based on having very little. (And no I don't mean the national or international drug cartels). I mean the ordinary people in the small towns. dc

yjacket I agree 100%. Make all drugs legal. You only have to major impediments to that. The Dems and the Reps, and DEA and police and 100s of thousands of others who depend on the business of 'drug war'. So don't ever count on it happening. I don't think crime is so rampant. I just said everyone has been a victim. Haven't you? Think carefully. I don't watch tv. Unless it's Outdoor Channel or Sportsman Channel. Only this is not about drug legalization. It's about the riots. There is a legal solution to the whole thing both in civil court, and also the investigation process. Officers lose their job and pension and benefits. That's what they work for. And it's a dirty job. Unless you have been out there on the front lines with them you don't have the slightest clue about how dirty their job is, what horrible dirt they have to deal with. This has become the bizarro world. Everything is backwards. Crime is ok. That's what these riots are all about. dc Disproportionately affects the black community? Are you joking. Was there ever any person who took up drugs involuntarily? No. Most would rather deal drugs than go to college on an affirmative action program. Easy money. Affirmative action programs never fill their quota. I don't know if anyone has noticed. The most racist people in the United States today are ... black.

I used to have the germophobe idea, or some such. But I now realize I can trust those people. You trust any restaurant you go to, don't you, and the employees. So why not your own brothers and sisters at the church? As to the funerals. Some people want a happy occasion for their funeral. They want people to not be sad, but to have a good time; comedians (pro or not) like to have a lot of jokes and all. It's a celebrate of the passing to wherever they believe one passes to. A better place? It's part of the grieving process, a send off, a transition to not having the deceased in your life or your world anymore. dc

Thank you for the many thanks and congratulations. And thank you to Mr. Capitalist for those words. I know. But it is also good to have that idea in mind, it never hurts to be reminded. Two congrats: the first, the song leaders 5 year old daughter. She could barely pronounce the word, but did offer congrats. Cute kid. The second during refreshment time; a nine year old boy, another cute kid, he says "well, do you feel bad now?" A sense of humor is always a good thing. dc

I didn't mean one criminal once at one time. I mean the hundreds of thousands of crimes committed every year. Take a poll on this forum. I'm fairly certain that everyone has been a victim of some crime. That's the elephant I'm talking about. Or should we just ignore that so we can get a free tv? dc

How come nobody in this alleged "dialogue" ever questions the criminal? You do know that the large criminal element in this country is active out there 24/7, robbing, raping, burglarizing, and 100 other crimes to nasty to mention on this forum. And the police are the front line soldiers in the battle against them for you and me and our families and property. Yes, things are bound to go wrong. But what about the huge elephant that is ignored here. What ever happened to obey the law. dc

Well, my convert baptism was Sunday. Refreshments were served in the kitchen afterward. There is a kitchen beside two huge gyms. And there was everything, water, cupcakes, brownies cookies, at least a dozen items, which, sugar is not good for me. It was good, I think, from my point of view. Different people were involved in different aspects of the whole ceremony, Maybe 50 people. Music, speakers, witnesses, just the congregation watching, kids, and then it seemed like the refreshment committee was other people. So I got to meet and talk to a lot more people. Just more of the social aspect of it. Just good reinforcement for me. So I vote for refreshments, in the kitchen, if they have one, afterwards, or at someone's house. dc

... that I have now officially joined and have officially been made an official member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. That being due to my baptism and confirmation yesterday. I have been meeting with the missionaries, posting on the forums, praying, studying scripture, visiting stakehouses and the Los Angeles Temple or attending services daily. That is, some activity every day. I have met a lot of new people. Of course a major topic is Utah. Inevitably someone is going there, coming from there, etc. I have had a chance to look back 52 years when my mother and I visited the Temple in Salt Lake City. She was a Mormon Tabernacle Choir fan (big fan) so we had to stop. In two weeks I will be there again. I also was able to recall 40 years ago stopping in front of the impressive looking Los Angeles Temple and praying. So it looks like there was just some inevitability to it all. And it has now come to pass. Now, if I can make it in happiness (a job?) to Utah this year to live, all will be right with the universe or at least part of it in Utah. The stake president early on said, or, you can just 'hang out' here (if you don't make it to Utah). Yes. dc Previous reference: http://lds.net/forums/topic/56658-utah-and-lds/#entry815683

Yes, it's ok. People can change. They sometimes do. Asking maybe they won't change. But try it. Maybe they will. Maybe not right away. Maybe they need to think and get ready to adjust, then change. Don't ask for too much change, tho'. You cannot expect a person to turn into someone else. Love and acceptance are the key. dc

Almost every single politician, from high level to low, is in politics for the purpose of lining their own pockets. And I don't mean lining their pockets with good wishes. dc There may be at least one in it for the pure sheer evil of it.

The greatest journey starts with the first step. Take the first step to the door and walk in. Suit up and show up. If you are having a problem with the alcohol, that is a separate issue and you have to find a program to deal with it. Look for 20 Questions. If you are just in the habit of a few regular social drinks that's a different issue. dc

So this is not just idle wasting of time. Not "hanging out" in the sense of doing nothing constructive. It is "to call them to repentance". I think you have done quite well with it there Folk Prophet. dc

So I'll live in St George til May, then go up to Torrey, up to higher ground, or maybe Loa or Bicknell or Lyman, up to higher ground for the summer. And for the flood too, if there is a flood. Then in October back to St. George. But maybe go up for a white Christmas. dc

No, I could not learn much more than I already know about it. dc

I agree with folk prophet here. Be who you are? What if you are an alcoholic or drug addict? Then we should "celebrate" that and "support you" in that? I don't think so. I like be what you are meant to be. dc

All right Davidstarfall I'm glad you mentioned the seamstresses and sewing the motorcyclists back together. Now, here is a link from a surgeon as to why he rides. https://books.google.com/books?id=0vgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=surgeon+why+i+ride+a+motorcycle&source=bl&ots=j1A7usHoHg&sig=HnEWuWx1hMqMmfZ9NFFLU_saTkM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1I41Vf7KFOewsAS1kYGQAg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=surgeon%20why%20i%20ride%20a%20motorcycle&f=false Well, that is an old one. The one I was thinking about was in BMW Owners Mag just last summer. An e room doctor describes why he rides a motorcycle. I can't find it but also it is copyrighted. Anyway, he talks about sewing them back together, and going out to his bike to ride home. There was a young man over here who saw my bike and said he would have one but his mother as an e room nurse wouldn't let him. I gave them a copy of the article. dc

As some of you know I started out as a Catholic. I'm now about one month into twice a week or so lessons with the missionaries and attending services on Sunday, which includes Gospel Principles and Priesthood class. I think if you were questioning Catholicism, you may end up questioning TCOJCOLDS also. You have to take it on faith. That's what faith is, something you believe without proof. So doubt is doubt anywhere. And faith and obedience is the same anywhere. For me the big difference is the involvement. I think you should look a lot more at the LDS. They have nice meetinghouses and much nicer Temples, nicer than the Catholic church, really. I think. I'm going to Utah and Salt Lake City next month, and also Payson for the new Temple. I've seen the Salt Lake City Temple before, but let me go again and report. Catholic church sometimes has nice music, but not every week, like LDS. And the Catholics don't have anything to compare to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They were my mothers favorite. dc

Then I think it is no big deal. Just be sure he has good insurance to take care of the family if there is a problem; which is something you should have anyway, as he could be killed or injured anywhere, on the job, auto accident, etc. From what you say, he should have the skills, so it doesn't really increase his risk much, if at all. dc

Did he ride before? If not it's a long and difficult road. If he started riding as a kid and has many years experience, it's a different thing. You can't do it "to save gas". It's not worth the risk. You have to do it because you want to. And then there is a huge amount of new learning to do to update on todays road hazards. What is dangerous; what you should look for. There are at least 1000 easy pitfalls. I put a lot of miles on a lot of bikes. I love it. dc

i have been wondering about Teasdale and Torrey. Boulder I got that impression from the get go, that it was not a typical Utah small town. I need to do more on the ground research out there. I do indicate in all my conversations about how glad I am to get away from the whole California situation. There is one, and only one good law here. Lane splitting is allowed. The one admirable thing this state has other than nice weather and also great scenery. When it's not too stuffed with tourists. I have been on those roads and some others; I may have passed you on the other side of the road; maybe on Burr Trail, on the BMWR1200RT. When we are in Torrey the other riders are from all over and there is a beautiful range out there we go to. It's certainly one of the things I go out there for like most of the other riders. There are of course a few who won't participate. Thanks for your comments, particularly about Torrey as I would not be happy to move to a place where the first thing I hear from the local government is "well, let's do it like they do in California". Unless they are talking about lane splitting. dc

Yeah, I know, I been there many times over the last 50 years. Hey, wait a minute, Australia? Are you sure you ever been there (to Utah)? dc

Talk about your 'nanny state'. I don't hate on it. But I think it is wrong for there to be no such thing as a kid who cannot walk to school. When I was a kid, all the way thru' college, and law school, I walked to school, or rode my bike. It is ridiculous to see the high school here today, no kid could ever walk two blocks. You end up with fat lazy kids who can't waddle out of their SUV to get a McDonald's grease burger. They have to use the drive thru'. I know people with 25 year old kids who never worked a day in their life, and don't have the ability to find an office building two blocks away. Are these kids ever going to get a job? How will they be able to find the place. dc