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On 3/10/2016 at 11:57 AM, MormonGator said:
The writer Hunter Thompson wanted to be cremated and have his ashes shot out of a cannon. Pam, I heard you were thinking the same right?
The writer Hunter S Thompson also shot himself to death. In his kitchen.
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21 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:
I'm going to make arrangements to be buried on my farm in a family cemetery. I'm also planning on making my own coffin, probably out of cedar.
Why cedar? I mean, cedar is nice wood, and I like it and the way it smells. But. It's expensive and very hard.
Pine, pine is the way to go young man.
I never heard of a cedar coffin. But then, I don't go to many funerals.
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3 hours ago, omegaseamaster75 said:
There's just no end to the stupidity, is there?
Gun violence? There is no such thing. No gun ever killed anyone. It was a person who picked up the gun, loaded it, and cocked it, and pulled the trigger.
But no one can take responsibility for anything today, it's a new rule. Somebody else is always to blame. "The NRA killed them".
Or better yet, something else. An inanimate object is responsible.
If I get drunk and run over some people with my car, it's not my fault. It's the cars fault. It was "Car Violence".
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9 minutes ago, Eowyn said:
Is this from the same people who say I'm a communist?
Who said you were a communist? I missed that one.
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So, in other words, any person of religion is an "extremist".
What group is this? The National Atheist Alliance?
Why didn't they just label anyone with any religion as a terrorist? Tho' I will say there is something a bit high on that first one, use religion to justify violence.
That would describe any Moose Limb.
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(I do consider myself a redneck/American or redneck/Mormon or redneck at anything I do. Redneck/Motorcycle Rider.)
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I think the whole thing has got way out of line and this is a good place to end it.
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4 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I don't know what your motivation here is. But you seem to be deliberately missing the point of most of the posts and skirting around any point that would weaken your argument. Example: Personally, I'm with Lehi about being drunk. I've NEVER known anyone who drinks moderately who has NEVER gotten drunk. I'm finding it difficult to believe you're not hyperbolizing when you make the claim yourself.
The quote above is very ignorant, arrogant, close-minded, and hypocritical.
Are you so ignorant as to believe it is actually "alcohol" that provides ALL or even most of the health benefits you allude to and not a completely different constituent within the beverage (which, BTW, is not contained in most alcoholic beverages)? Alcohol itself, I understand is not cut and dry (no pun intended). But you're not even admitting it's mostly something else.
Are you so arrogant that you honestly believe that most Mormons are ignorant of the health findings of the past 20 years?
Are you so close-minded that you believe Mormons will say anything and everything to justify complete temperance?
Are you so hypocritical that you are oblivious to how you committed the very error that this statement implies of Mormons?Do you think that sounds like "reasonable discourse"?
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11 hours ago, Eowyn said:
My point, Maureen, is that we don't abstain from alcohol because of how it may or may not be good for us. We do so because we believe God has commanded it. That's why, as I've said, I find it disrespectful to go to a bunch of LDS people and argue against their beliefs because you don't happen to believe the same. It's not about whether you agree with the practicalities, it's about showing respect for a set of beliefs.
That may be the real issue Eowyn. I do not believe Maureen is "arguing against beliefs".
I think you have found it. We abstain from alcohol not because we perceive it as some great evil. But because God commanded it. It may or may not be a great evil for others, but that's up to them based on THEIR beliefs.
Of course, it will make it much easier to abstain from alcohol if a person does perceive it to be a great evil. The basis is not the evil, but the commandment.
As to non Mormons, alcohol may or may not be a great evil. It's clear Maureen recognizes that.
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11 hours ago, Vort said:
I actually agree with you, but Maureen's little snit puts me in no frame of mind to find reasons to support alcohol usage.
Alcohol is a poison. I weigh over 200 pounds, yet if I were to drink just a pint of alcohol -- two cups -- I would probably die. The fact that people can survive lesser amounts of alcohol does not negate its toxicity.
Consider the enormous social toll of alcohol -- the children beaten and parentless, the people murdered by drunk drivers, the lives shattered from addiction, the neglect, the broken homes, the fights, the rapes, the wasted lives. Then compare it with statistical suggestions that moderate (= little) use of red wine seems to contribute to a small decrease in heart disease -- no mechanism proposed or even suggested, just a small statistical correlation.
Therefore, drinking alcohol really isn't that bad?
Barf.
I think it's important to separate the chafe from the wheat. There are moderate social drinkers out there who have NONE of the laundry list of ills caused by alcohol.
What's your solution? Ban or prohibit alcohol?
I agree with you about the ills. There are many who should never drink. But there are others who have no problem with it.
Now, my position? You know what it is. I stated it several times there. I don't drink.
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Oh yes, someone mentioned serving a mission in South America and that they had some substitute also there. Is Ecco big in South America? I don't know that I've ever seen it here, but I may have missed it in Utah.
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Postum
Why has no one mentioned Postum.
Postum is back on the market, you know, and was always a big seller in Utah. Which is probably where you will find most of it today.
Someone in Gospel Doctrine mentioned Postum. Quite a few didn't know what it was. I used to see it advertised on tv all the time when I was a kid. I believe my grandmother drank it for a while.
Then she went to Sanka.
I believe Sanka is decaf, but Postum, as you should all remember was a grain or wheat beverage.
Some people in Gospel Doctrine and Priesthood were saying that Postum would be immoral. As it still gives the appearance of violating the wow.
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On 3/7/2016 at 3:57 PM, Vort said:
To be specific, David: Any and all drinking of alcoholic beverages by a 21st-century Latter-day Saint is evil. I personally believe that alcohol consumption is never of any significant good, and almost always of at least some evil. But I recognize that those not under covenant likely won't see things that way. I doubt I would if I were not a Latter-day Saint. So there is no universal condemnation suggested.
I agree with that Vort. I meant anyone who is not a Latter day Saint.
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I have to agree with you.
Today I passed some type of Korean (I think) Christian church. In a double office building. With a large cross out front.
How absurd to think there would be someone who would apostatize from that church based on their offense from realizing that cross was taken from, or is the same as many many many other Christian churches.
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On the contrary, Gator, it's been easy for me.
Carborendum
I actually wonder about that myself.
I knew of the church in 1964 from a visit to the Temple in SLC. And I had a Book of Mormon delivered to me in 1985. However I did not join the church til last year.
While I did not consciously join the church, but was called in in some way, I did consciously not further investigate the church in 1985 knowing that I'd have to give up coffee. (Not based on that knowledge, but just knowing it.) I had always been a big coffee drinker. Not to excess, but that essential one cup in the morning, black, no cream, no sugar.
However, in 1985 I was unaware of the concepts and all else that is offered in this church. I just sort of thought it would be like my Catholic childhood. Mass on Sunday and that's it.
Coming into the church now, I almost immediately found that I had stage 4 cancer of the blood causing severe anemia. Coffee or any caffeine aggravates that anemia.
So now I am of medical necessity sworn off coffee forever. And it has been totally easy to do so. I have no urge, no craving, no desire for coffee. But I have none such for alcohol either. Nor cigarettes and I had casually smoked for a few years long ago.
But, is it possible I avoided joining the church in 1985 because I didn't want to give up coffee? Possible yes. But I think there was more to it at that time, foremost being I had no real concept of what the church is like from the inside.
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1 hour ago, The Folk Prophet said:
This is not true.
The statement may or may not be true. I don't know. I do know that the Mormons I have encountered don't drink alcohol.
Neither do I.
However, reading some of the responses on this thread, I could easily believe that some on this forum do believe that any and all alcohol is an evil.
I only see alcohol abuse as an evil. I'm neutral on any benefit of the limited use I see in America today.
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I have only been a member of the church for one year.
But I have not consumed any alcoholic beverages for more than 30 years.
And, of course, I do associate with alcohol drinkers on a regular basis. To an extent. That is, I don't visit bars only or anything like that. I do eat in places where alcohol is served.
I generally would not associate with anyone who would over do the alcohol, and usually at a dinner or something I would leave after dinner and after any of them had two drinks.
However I cannot impose my morality and now my religious prohibitions on them.
That is to say I understand and can appreciate Maureen's point of view here.
The chief, or a big time Rabbi of American Jews was asked about the prohibition on pork. He did not talk about the benefit or detriment of pork. He simply said they refrain from eating pork "because God said so".
And I think it's the same here. It's a prohibition. Our (and for a long time my) prohibition.
I agree that alcohol does not taste good. Nor does it do too many good things. But I also understand the point of view of many Americans who can in an evening, when they are not driving, have two drinks.
Wine. If any of you want a nice grape flavor with an Italian meal, try grape juice. I drink unsweetened natural grape juice a lot and I will tell you from experience, I believe it has a much better flavor than wine.
And no side effects.
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11 hours ago, unixknight said:
That's fair, thanks.
Actually I had the same misgivings about the PVC at first, but my son is about to graduate college with a degree in structural engineering, so I ran the stilt design past him and had him run the numbers before I even built it. The last thing I need is a broken ankle. Turns out, PVC pipe is ridiculously strong in compression the long way, and apparently these stilts could have been used as jackstands. The only thing I have to be careful of is not to put sideways force on them, but it isn't like I'm going to be doing any gymnastics or running.
My real concern was the lateral force. Which could break the joints and then jeopardize the entire structure. You will have lateral force. For one thing, you will be top heavy which will cause lateral force just standing still. But any movement ...
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Get sufficient sleep at night. Take a cat nap. 5 or 10 minutes with the eyes closed.
Get a blood test.
I'm older, that means more sleep. Some people can go on 4 hours sleep, at my age I'm closer to 8 1/2 or 9.
Last year my blood test showed severe anemia. I was recommended for the hospital and a blood transfusion. Anemia is aggravated by coffee and tea or any caffeine. So that was easy for me when I joined the church.
But anemia, and the cancer that I found out caused it will give you great fatigue. I still have some fatigue, which also the chemo therapy tends to produce, but at least I now know it was not a shortage of coffee and tea that produced the fatigue..
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Unixknight
I will not say you are overweight, nor obese. But I will say you do not look like you have missed a meal lately.
And I will say are you sure that pvc is going to support your weight very much? What's the weight rating on that. I would have gone a little sturdier on the frame.
And I will say I don't know why some men/boys don't have more sensible toys, like guns and motorcycles. But we boys do like to play with our toys. And it looks like your kids will enjoy all that, too.
And Eowyn doesn't have to start in here at all. I'm sure she has her woman/girl toys. Maybe dolls or something.
I remember many years ago a lady showing me her newest doll. $500.00 way back then. Made in Germany in the 1880s or something. She whispered to me, Mr (dc), don't tell my husband.
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Whoop de dee.
I think I'll have a candy bar now.
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I don't think they are angry. The are just linear, that is, in a line. I believe they are led or lcd or something all new technological and all.
Barium, strontium, halogen, who knows. No me, and I don't need to know.
They do look different, tho'.
No big deal.
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What to do about your death?
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I've been preparing for this in the last year, due to my circumstances all around me, or actually inside me, as some of you may know if you read my earlier posts.
Here in Los Angeles near me they have green something or other. $15,000.00. For just a little chunk of real estate not big enough to turn around on.
I'd rather be buried in Utah, maybe a little marker would be nice, name, religion and maybe a slogan. I found a nice place Pleasant something a few miles south of SLC, south and west. A pioneer cemetary, so I could be out there with the Saints from the old days. I think that would be nice.
$500.00. Yes, 500 bucks and then an additional $500 when they need to dig the hole.
That's my kind of value.
But I need to visit the location. And consider the weather. It will be cold in winter.
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