NeedleinA

Hypothetically, this young man may have served a mission, returned to go to school at BYU, met a young woman there, married her when they were both 22, and made his daddy a grandpa by producing a now-two-year-old daughter and another due in January. Funny how things change. Hypothetically, I mean.

For the benefit of other readers who might stumble on this thread. Church Handbook 38.7.9

Now we are talking, you rebel scum you.
 

Now we are talking, you rebel scum you.
 

This is all that has happened ^^^
Changed definitions.
Changed PCR levels.
Changed covid registering requirements.
We are simply fed the data they want us to have, to do the thing they want us to do = shut up and comply

This is all that has happened ^^^
Changed definitions.
Changed PCR levels.
Changed covid registering requirements.
We are simply fed the data they want us to have, to do the thing they want us to do = shut up and comply

What do your studies suggest is the answer?

Does it even really matter then if the Church takes issue with it or not?
If the Church said 'don't do it', would you stop using it anyways?

I’m all for medical marijuana for proper uses… but he literally said
This is exactly like lustful people getting married for a pried period so they can have sex

Could willfully experimenting with drugs when you knows it’s wrong be a demonic experience in and of itself?

I've tried many times. 😉

This is one I have to admit I still struggle with. I have a internal fight between the way I was raised (tradition) and what I think is best. I do like President Nelson's question on how to make the Sabbath a delight -- principle based.
Maybe truly take it as a day of rest -- 24 hours of sleep minus 2 hours of church. 😉

I remember a song from my early childhood in the '60s called "Ode to Billy Joe". One lyric went:
There was a virus going 'round; Papa caught it, and he died last spring
And now Mama doesn't seem to want to do much of anything
People have been dying of flus and other viruses since mankind began. This is not only not new, it's not a startling horror. It's a part of life, and has been since time immemorial.
So when the news media and the political establishment use a virus as an excuse to engender widespread panic and consolidate their power, I recognize the evil taking place. It's no wild-eyed conspiracy theory to see what's going on right before our very eyes. We are facing a shift in social paradigms and a permanent change in liberties due to a temporary issue.
But woe to anyone who dares bring that up! You are shamed into silence with the most vicious of accusations—"People will DIE because of that!" Strangely enough, people die anyway, all the time. People die horrifically in automobile accidents, yet you don't see calls to get rid of motor vehicles. People die all the time in alcohol-related incidents, yet many today scoff at efforts 100 years ago to do away with such evils by getting rid of the drug that caused it. Death is very literally a part of life. But it's now okay to socially ostracize people and even refuse to employ them or allow them legally to mingle in society without putting on their paper-filter gas masks. And if you point out that the masks are of poor efficiency, you will simply be shouted down by the Ignorami screaming their favorite insult: "Science Denier®!!!"
Of course, all nuance is lost. It's impossible to question the veracity of claims without being assumed (and labeled) an anti-vaxxer. This is true, even if you have explicitly said the opposite. It's impossible to point out the concerning loss of personal liberties without being portrayed as a misanthropic troglodyte.
Sometimes I really, deeply loath our society and the stupidity of the masses (including, or especially, the masses that consider themselves educated). Just another of a long list of unChristlike traits I'm working to better myself on.

Another talk on the horizon with the topic: "Making the Sabbath a delight at both church and at home". 

I've personally had sabbaths of every flavor. Does anyone have a secret or something they do or don't do on Sundays to make them a 'delight'?
Has anyone figured out how to change their Sunday from childhood torture to adulthood delight OR vice versa?
Any ideas & suggestions would be appreciated. 
Thank you!

So, I've been a hobbyist prepper and zombie flick aficionado for two decades now.  I started talking and reading about pandemics and killer flu and biological warfare back in the late '80's.  
Absolutely zero things I've heard in the last 18 months about COVID have surprised me.  None of it is new.  Conflicting, changing, and contradictory messages from "them in charge" isn't new.  Public health mandates being anything from helpful to tyrannical is not new.  People being all over the map on opinions, everyone yelling at the top of their lungs, even getting violent, not new. Political and cultural radicalization and an increase in crime/violence/uprisings/killings - not new.
You know what else isn't new?  Here - let this sink in for a minute.  The going notion by historians who have followed the history of global pandemics: You'll never get much more than 70% of any large free population vaccinated.   No matter how much you try.
I am hugely grateful for an effective vaccine.  I'm thrilled that me and my family are now ~288x less likely to have severe negative impacts of COVID.  I'm a fan of efforts to educate people and encourage vaccination.  Arguing in the public square, and having different sources battle it out.  Walmart giving out $100 gift cards to anyone who gets vaccinated.  State lotteries.  Employers offering incentives to people who get vaccinated.  I'm an enthusiastic participant in the first one.  We have an effective vaccine - shout it from the rooftops!
But yeah, history and human nature dictate that attempts to force folks to get the shot simply won't work.  Communist China at it's most gun-pointingly totalitarian can improve on 70%, and Israel with their "everything that isn't us is an enemy" mindset can do it.  Do you think New York banning black people from restaurants will do anything?
Yeah, if you haven't already had COVID, get your shot.   But if you need someone to show up to protest unconstitutional mandates, gimme a call.

This is all that has happened ^^^
Changed definitions.
Changed PCR levels.
Changed covid registering requirements.
We are simply fed the data they want us to have, to do the thing they want us to do = shut up and comply

My friend posted this video on his Facebook feed, and Facebook -- of course -- had it labeled as misleading context. I clicked on it to see what misleading information I would receive this time and it could only say that articles specify masks work. I was pretty sure I kept hearing the science was settled on "masks" and yet you have plenty of scientific articles -- about masks -- which are ignored. Its amazing when you begin to study for yourself what you actually see out there, and how easily to see who is misleading.

Not surprised one bit at this point if the video disappears from Youtube.
Here is a link to the video as well as the information from the studies the doctor is referring to:
https://hancockcountypatriots.blogspot.com/2021/08/dr-dan-stocks-presentation-to-mt-vernon.html

This.
 
I've had Covid and I'm in the over 50 crowd.  On a scale of 1-10 on how bad it was?  About a 3.  For 2-3 days my lower back was killing me and going up the stairs from the basement was exhausting.  I had a big of a cough.  For about 2-3 days.  Otherwise...meh.  I have natural anti-bodies now.  Even the CDC says I should wait 3 months before getting the vaccine.  I probably don't need it at all now that I've had it.  They are going to push for the vaccine for people like me because "to be on the safe side/money/big pharma (take your pick.)
 

I completely understand where you are coming from. I know that as I often post the counter position to the pro-vaccine narrative that I must be considered quite the anti-vaxxer, and yet I don't consider myself as such (In fact, aside from never taking flu shots and having concerns about covid vaccines being too early to tell and one-sided in reporting, I'm fully vaccinated aside from tetanus boosters after a bad reaction leaving my arm in a state of paralysis for a week following my last booster 20+ years ago). My position has always been that of pushing for informed consent where we have better information to work with and don't have to be worried about medical tyranny forcing any procedure on any individual or group, it needs to be a voluntary decision made based on the best available evidence (including the risks that don't get their due attention). This current vaccine push does appear to be opening others eyes to how the information is presented works in favor of one authorized outcome which is sadly not new in the world of vaccines. The messaging is always "safe and effective" downplaying vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths while up-playing disease risks and complications. Consider that throughout this pandemic anyone with Covid at the time of death could have been documented as a covid death, even if they didn't die of covid. This unnecessarily inflates the numbers making it appear more dangerous than it is. On the flip side, vaccine reactions are only passively monitored through VAERS where they should be followed up on with better data analysis than it is capable of providing (as though they don't really want to know about problems) and then simply considered unverified and probably only a temporal association. When disease rates come down after vaccination campaigns correlation is causation, but when adverse events go up with the campaign correlation is not causation. It certainly continues to breed mistrust when now that vaccines are out that diagnostic criteria are changing and how covid deaths are reported and recorded are changing, so that by changing definitions we can make the disease less problematic. It ultimately means that we can't compare apples to apples and have junk data. 
You may find this a worthwhile watch:
 

I was just listening to a doctor who mentioned that there are people who are still showing immunity with the Spanish Flu. If that is correct, as I don't have access to the reports they mentioned -- natural immunity seems to last longer.
EDIT:
Actually this is possibly two sources that highlight this:
1) https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/flu-survivors-still-immune-after-90-years
2) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2008/08/researchers-find-long-lived-immunity-1918-pandemic-virus

Sadly @NeedleinA - this will probably be removed from YouTube. Most likely the studies he is using will probably disappear also.

Covid has 'animal reservoirs (hosts)' so it will never go away. 
"Why are we have breakthough cases in summer at the height of vitamin d levels?"
The single best, easy to understand, summary of current covid/vaccine/mask events that I've seen. 
 

CDC website, August 6th 2021, states the following:
The kicker... after stating there is 'limited evidence' that it offers any protection if you have already had Covid, they then go on to say everyone should still take the vaccine anyways. 

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