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49 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
What I've found is that many women we think of as beautiful are only seen that way because of makeup. Other women who are considered plain are only considered plain because they don't wear makeup.
Ya think?!
Enjoy ?!?
Lehi
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2 hours ago, zil said:
,I could not for the life of me understand why we needed theorems and proofs in geometry when what they set about to prove was nothing more or less than the obvious.
Proofs are not for "understanding", they are for "thinking".
Math is a laboratory for the process of thinking. It's a contolled environment where the steps/process can be monitored and evaluated. No, you'll never "use it" in real life, but without it, real life would quickly become slavery.
Lehi
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No matter who you, personally and individually vote for, either Trump or Clinton will be the next president of the united States of America. All the whining about the nominating process and the results and whatever else will not change that fact.
So, the issue is, as far as I can tell, which one will be less dangerous to the united States of America?
I'll vote for a non-DemoComm, and probably not for the GOP nominee, either. Hitliary is toxic with fast-acting effects. Trump may be toxic, but the effects will be slower. This difference may (but probably will not) give us, the patient, the time to recover.
Again, I offer the fact of our 33¼ grandchildren as evidence that I care and care deeply about the future of this country at least as much as anyone. Further, I offer my 21 years,5 months military experience to the same end. So how you vote, if you do, and if you can affects me at the solar plexus level, and I plead with you not to allow the most evil woman I have known (of) to sit at the Resolute desk. She will destroy, utterly, any chance of those grandchildren (and yours, too) of enjoying the freedoms our fathers spilt their blood to secure for us. Trump may do nothing better, but he will do nothing worse. So, if, in your state, the voting is close for Trump- v. Clinton-electors, please do what you can to deny hers their chance to cast the ballot for her.
Lehi
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42 minutes ago, Shoot_The_Moon said:
Are there any "prerequisites" to being able to use free agency?
Not as far as I can tell. Agency was part of our heritage even as intelligences.
42 minutes ago, Shoot_The_Moon said:Does the exercise of agency require a lack of pressure / force from external entities[?]
The Nephites under Alma who were disallowed to pray prayed any way. I suspect that, even if it were much harder to do an evil act, say, because of laws, or to do good ones because of similar laws, the intent of one's heart would still allow agency to prevail. Benjamin told the poor to give nothing with the underlying intent of giving, but with the reality of their having nothing to give.
This is not to say that unrestricted, active, use of agency is not preferable, but forces limiting actions don't necessarily mean we can't be agents, rather than "things to be acted upon".
There are two other minor points to make:
1) We become what we do. So if we are forbidden from operating a soup kitchen when we would like to do so because of zoning or hygiene laws, these laws make it impossible to exercise the spiritual muscles of charity, and they will probably atrophy, meaning, over time, we will become less charitable.2) The loss of freedom to actively go where our intentions would lead us means we won't get there. I.E., those we would serve (or rob) are not served (or robbed). So the consequences of our acting don't happen, either, for other people. Can a man who's not experienced genuine charity, but only welfare, learn what charity is? It's less likely.
That, I believe, is the root cause of the Church's opposing communism (and socialism in all forms): we can't demonstrate and improve our upward tendencies and we can't share them, either.
Lehi
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9 hours ago, MIK said:
All prophets teach that (except in cases of abuse) the married couple should humbly come together, knew and seek the healing power of the atonement. This is taught over and over.
This is all I know about the matter, as well.
Since, as we assume, your repentance is deep and real, the "problem" seems to lie with her. And that is, unfortunately or no, not something you can control.
Sorry there is nothing positive I can say except lay your issues before the Lord. He cares, He wants you to be happy and have joy. He also knows how this will turn out, so give Him the opportunity to strengthen you (and her). And know, as I know, that, in the end, it always works out for the best.
Lehi
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7 hours ago, Awakened said:
do we worship Jesus Christ as well or just Heavenly Father?
We're commanded to, at least Christ commanded the Nephites to pray directly to Him. And, if His being our Savior and Redeemer, and Lord and(future) King aren't reasons sufficient to worship Him, I'm not sure what it would take.
"Worship" means the quality of being worthy. It's a bit ambiguous in that we don't know if we are proclaiming the worshiped Being to be worthy (which we do), or that we are worthy in order to be worshipful (which, if we do it right, we must be).
Lehi
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6 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:
I just had an image of you in a Superman pose with your hands on your side reciting this in the mirror each morning - hah!
Not Superman so much as Wonder Woman.
Lehi
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9 minutes ago, Zarahemla said:
Another question. Do we worship the Holy Ghost? He's part of the God head and blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the unpardonable sin.
Another that deserves its own topic.
Yes, we do, but not in the same way we worship Father (to Whom we pray) or the Son (in Whose name we act). I'm not sure how we manifest it (and that's a problem in my eyes), but He is a full-fledged member of the Godhead.
Lehi
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15 hours ago, Blueskye2 said:
Advertising is traditionally the bulk of expenses for a campaign. Trump's staff is 1/10th the size of Clinton's. Hats were 13% of Trump's expenses in May...almost a million dollars. Some spending for Facebook ads, but barely a drop compared to the funds raised. I just wonder what he is saving up that $85+ million for? Nothing costs as much as advertising. Hats and other give-aways are comparatively very inexpensive.
While true, it's a bit misleading.
Trump hasn't been asking for donations for long, so the money he has received is probably being used to build the organization that he hasn't had up to this point. He's miles behind in this regard, so he'll need to spend a yuge pile of cash on catching up.
His ground game, also essentially non-existent is also going to need effort and money.
Lehi
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4 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:On 8/11/2016 at 9:22 AM, anatess2 said:
Trump, on the other hand, has made ZERO (not an exaggeration) ad buys. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Any Trump ad you see is not coming from Trump nor the RNC but from unconnected PAC somewhere. Interestingly, Trump raised as much money as Hillary in July.
What is the money for, if not for campaigning (such as TV ads)? Granted, Trump gets enough free media attention that paying for more seems redundant.
There's a lot more to a political campaign than television ads.
Just paying staff, printing banners (and sewing hats) is expensive.
Lehi
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7 minutes ago, Nothing said:
Lehi, you also said "and let him make good on his promise to carry me as his back load (I think those were the words), than to try to enter the Kingdom on my own.." It really sounds like you want Joseph Smith to carry you on his back into the Kingdom.
Yes, I did. But you seem to think that means something entirely different from what I read from those words. Joseph can't get someone into the Kingdom if that person is a rebel or apostate or wicked or unrepentant. So, make of it what you will, but Joseph on my side is worth more than claiming him to be a fallen prophet, fer shure.
Lehi
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3 minutes ago, Nothing said:
Lehi, I'd rather rely on Jesus Christ.
And you presume to imagine that I wouldn't? I said "defend Joseph Smith, the Seer", not "rely on [Joseph Smith]". There's a distinct difference. And the modifier, "the Seer" implies, and implies strongly, that he, Joseph Smith, is not much without Jesus Christ. And he didn't pretend to be.
Lehi
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9 minutes ago, Nothing said:
I came here to only point out that disbelieving in section 132 does not necessarily constitute "wholesale apostasy" and then I was pushed to talk more.
That may be. But it was your choice to "talk more."
It seems, however, that your position rather buttresses the one of mine you cite.
Joseph was not a fallen prophet, but there are a lot of people who claim(ed) to be Saints who reject him (by rejecting any of the revelations he received) and who find themselves in "wholesale apostasy", n'est-ce pas?
I'd rather defend Joseph Smith, the Seer, and let him make good on his promise to carry me as his back load (I think those were the words), than to try to enter the Kingdom on my own and in rebellion against the chosen Prophet of God.
Lehi
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1 hour ago, FogCity said:
there is a beautiful old LDS chapel on about 27th south and 4th east in Salt Lake City that has a huge stained glass window of the first vision right behind the pulpit. I believe it just shows Joseph on his knees and two light beams .
this is another topic, but when did we become so boring in the design of our ward/stake buildings, did the church outsource its architect dept. to Ikea ?
No, but the new, functional buildings are designed for economic effectiveness. We don't need cathedrals with their "sermons in stone" to preach the Gospel: most of our people can read, and stained glass, beautiful as it can be, preaches no finer sermon than one from the Holy Ghost.
The money saved in building simple chapels and other edifices goes toward the important second and third prongs of the mission of the Church: preaching the Gospel and redeeming the dead, not to mention caring for the poor and the needy.
Lehi
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2 hours ago, estradling75 said:
your bishop's opinions and answers can bring you peace of mind (or not depending on what the answer is)
I'd say it doesn't matter too much what his answer is. If the confessing one is sincere and follows the bishop's counsel, it will bring peace of mind. That's the nature of repentance.
Lehi
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49 minutes ago, Zarahemla said:
I give my talk in 2 and a half hours so wish me luck!
Luck, okeh. I'll pray for you, too.
Lehi
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26 minutes ago, Zarahemla said:
I wear the gold Joseph Smith ring with the circle on the top representing eternity.
Huh!?!?
Lehi
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4 hours ago, tesuji said:
it almost feels like Romney is the only GOP leader willing to call a spade a spade.
That's problematic.
Romney refused, as the GOP standard bearer, to attack O'bama. Now that there is someone at their head who's more'n willing to "call a spade a spade", people are attacking him for doing the same thing they accused Romney of not doing. Sorry, this is just plain confusing.
Lehi
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8 hours ago, Blackmarch said:
now if it wasnt the clintons (and assuming it wasnt bad coincidence), then it was a good move in that it accomplishes making a significant portion of the populace seriously wondering if she is a murderer, or convinced that she is. She takes the blame, at the same time it also moves many voters away from her.
But the opposite is also true: were we to assume that she had nothing to do with the murders and other suspicious deaths around her and her husband, then she becomes the victim of this vast right-wing conspiracy and gains the support of a significant part of the voters.
The thing is, no one in the left-stream media has even raised this possibility, and the numbers are high, and rising. What better way to paint her with a brush of rosy hue?
8 hours ago, Blackmarch said:And by now this is so ingrained by media that should the verdict be that she is innocent that either verdict will go unheard, or many will be convinced that shes bought out the judge and jury.
The pattern around her is that she treats the law as if it does not apply to her.
The eMail scandals, the lies about Benghazi, the lies about landing in Boznia under sniper fire, and the myriad of lies about her husband's mistresses and rape victims; these all point to her scoffing at the law. Why would murder be the exception?
If we look at the eMail scandal, for example, Comey recommended she not be indicted. But he did so in a speech that listed her myriad of crimes. If that isn't "[buying] out the [prosecution]" what does?
And, as I said earlier, even if she didn't order the murders herself, she has surrounded herself with people who would. And she could have known, and, indeed, she should have known what was going on amongst her confidant(e)s. If she didn't know (which I doubt), she has the façade of plausible deniability.
The circumstantial evidence is such that any unbiased jury would find her guilty of a host of felonies. That murder would, or might be, one has no power to shock me in the least.
Lehi
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14 hours ago, Eowyn said:praiseprāz/noun
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1.the expression of approval or admiration for someone or something."the audience was full of praise for the whole production"
synonyms: approval, acclaim, admiration, approbation, acclamation, plaudits, congratulations,commendation; More
And, this being true, the issue is why we "praise" him. It's the second half of the first sentence of the hymn: "… who communed with Jehovah, Jesus anointed that prophet and seer" then, "blessed to open the last dispensation".
This hymn doesn't show us worshiping Joseph Smith, it shows us "praising" him because of Jesus Christ and what He did, in this case, what He did through His prophet.
Lehi
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1 hour ago, Zarahemla said:
Because people question the authenticity of the BOA and the church had to release an essay on the subject. That's why.
If there's an "essay" why do we need to discuss it? Just read it. I'm sure the answers (to whatever questions you have on the matter) are therein.
Lehi
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3 minutes ago, Maureen said:
There were a number of men vying for Joseph's job after he died. While Joseph was alive no rules of succession had been created. I'm going to guess that if Hyrum Smith had survived, it is likely that he would have succeeded Joseph. The decision to make the president (or senior leader) of the Quorum of the Twelve to be the prophet's successor didn't happen until 1847.
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And you think I don't know this?
Yes, Hyrum, as the Assistant President, would have been the next, but he died even before Joseph, so that's a non-started.
Actually, though, there were "rules of succession",. The Twelve form now and formed then, a quorum equal to the First presidency, and, except for the keys Joseph held as a single individual, and President of the Church and the Priesthood, they are, by right and revelation, the next in succession, with their President (Brigham Young in 1844) the leader of the Church. Further, with the President gone, the Quorum of the Twelve not only had the right, the keys they held in common, as a quorum, were not active, and they could do everything Joseph could have done with those keys. Once Brother Brigham had received the commission to be President, he was ordained to that office and given the sole active keys needed to direct the Church.
When he died, John Taylor, as President of the Quorum, did the same as President Young had done: it took years to ordain him as President of the Church and of the Priesthood. When he died, the same thing happened with Wilford Woodruff. Lorenzo Snow, however, was ordained, pursuant to a revelation, almost immediately after President Woodruff died, it was a "new thing", but it didn't change anything of import, and not much or minor significance.
Lehi
Who do we worship and how?
in LDS Gospel Discussion
Posted · Edited by LeSellers
In what we may call our "worship hymns" or "praise hymns", to Whom do we sing?
We sing "O, My Father" (originally "Ode to our Heavenly Parents"), We sing "I Believe in Christ", we sing more'n a hundred such hymns. I do not recall singing anything specifically to the Holy Ghost, although we recognize His influence and pray (in song) for His presence and guidance.
I can't recall any specific commandment to worship Him, nor anything about praying to Him. Nonetheless, we do worship Him because, as @Carborendum said in the other topic, we worship Those we deify, those who have Priesthood and Godly responsibility over us.
Lehi