Bad Karma

So, in essence, you believe in a blob god suffering terribly from multiple personality disorder. Interesting.. How very Nicene creed of you. Curious, are you LDS?

Oh boy....

And again, you'd be wrong..,, Endlessly so too.

For those of us that are LDS that hold these questions, just go to the temple more, visit the temple prez, ask him as well.

When I met my wife, I didn't know she was LDS, she didn't know I was LDS, the potential for disaster at that point was ever present, I dated often, many, looked for what I didn't like about each one, moved on. NOT being LDS was the eventual deal breaker for me. if LDS, having a prior sealing was an automatic disqualifier. Prior to discovering she was LDS, we had been out a few times, I liked her a lot, which meant it was time to disqualify her, the Spirit said to me "This is your wife". I dismissed it, then not long after, my wife and I both identified to the other that we were both LDS, either had a recommend or were temple worthy and neither of us ever had previously sealed. My wife was the aggressive one, whom told me we were going to be married, Went to church with her, the Bishop says to me "I see you've found a wife", we were not yet married. I chuckled, said "Yes, I have". my bride to be smiled, we marveled how the spirit told us, confirmed it, put a burning desire in each of us for the other. We were also told by the spirit to be sealed, this too had law of witness, we happily did so. The only way I was ever going to marry again was to an LDS woman. The previous wife was NOT temple worthy, drank, smoke, disobeyed the law of chastity, the opposite of anything I wanted, yeah, I know, I had married her, I also learrned my lesson about not marrying a woman of like faith, we're not equally yoked. So, yeah, when the spirit wants to introduce you to who it knows to be your eternal companion, or at least CAPABLE or a GOOD MATCH, the spirit will tell you, the law of witness applies. it will be obvious.

My God doesn't have multiple personality disorder, He is GOD, AKA: Yaweh, Elohim THE NAME or THE GREAT I AM as per scripture, and LDS doctrine, He's not a State of being, he is a person, the most well defined one in history too.

Do we pay more attention to Jesus more than God? Absolutely NOT. No, the other way around, Heavenly Father (Yaweh, Elohim) first, always first. He is THE GREAT I AM. Exodus 20:3 "Thou shall have no other Gods before me". We PRAY TO GOD in the name of his son, John 16:6 " Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." God (Yaweh, Elohim, the GREAT I AM) Judges, Jesus is our advocate (Defense attorney as it were) John 2:1 " My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". And there we have it, all is well.

The answers you seek are here. https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng As for me, do I want to become a God, I am grateful for salvation, my wife, my family, and to dwell with my family in the celestial kingdom for time without end. I am comfortable with the thought of the divine if it means I get to create a really cool world for my family and I. Do I want to have a "Peoeple"? Nope...

I just take it on faith. Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Mic 7:19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. 1 John 1:99 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. I'm comfortable in that for which I have repented will not be brought up or judged,

I always laugh when I see the words "Mormon oppression", they are typically uttered by some pretty odd ducks, yup, we're oppressive! Knock off with the coffee, tea, booze, smoking, dope, fornication, messin' around, porn, theft, lying, murder, kicking your dog, stuff like that. We just ruin everyone's fun, dog gone Mormons! Self observation, every time I have put the church on a back burner, my life takes turns for the truly tragic. I'll take two scoops of that "Mormon oppression", it works for me. My Mormon wife has said pretty much the same thing, odd that, no? Imagine that, a male and female consensus, who'd a thunk it? *Chuckle*

Those guys need a hobby, like skipping through mine fields and licking 9 volt batteries, toss in stepping barefoot on legos for good measure.

OP, I don't know, maybe we're taught to be accountable on a level of greater transparency than the other ducks on the pond, I like it, I love it that I have a testimony through some crazy stuff, I love it that second only to God himself, my wife, I am totally accountable to, dedicated to my children as well. I'm comfortable with being accountable to a fairly tough and often not very understanding Bishop, I'm comfortable with the men in my HPs group, we hold ourselves accountable to each other too. Do we worry that much you think? I don't think worry is the right word, I think we have simply chosen to belong to the body of a religion that believes in accountability, honesty, hard work, devotion to family, champions itself against evil where it is found. I'm a convert, I converted in my early 20s, I quickly witnessed the goodness of those fine folk and how they were always there for eachother and wanted that for myself. We're MORMONS, we are truly our brother's keeper. I think that is pretty cool. Do I think about my God more now as a Mormon than I did before I was a Mormon? I'd like to think so. He's been really good to me.

Holy smokes, did I just read what I think I've read? I may have missed something, although I am certain I have not. I'm so blessed that my sweet beautiful wife didn't find me less worthy of loving because I was career military and not someone wealthier or in a more prestigious vocation. Oh well, to each their own, I suppose..... Merry Christmas!

Just to add some levity to the subject, here's a clean funny song about it. Dang, Fetch, Oh My Heck by Everclean/Sons of Provo

Oh do I know your pain, and I STILL have a swearing problem. I spent some time as a Drill Sergeant in my two decade military career, I can swear for five minutes straight without repeating myself. I've been struggling for a few years now in growing a G RATED mouth, especially around my Scout Troop and youngest son. My wife swears often too, it makes me wince when she does. I keep asking for blessings about it, I've gone to the bishop about it, that said, since I have started making a concentrated effort to stop, I don't nearly swear as much as I used to and substitute g rated stuff for the bad stuff. Still, it's a problem of mine. One of those things I don't like about myself.

C2ciles, Woah there girl, I say WOAH! Slowdown! You don't think you can forgive him if he "does this again"? (Watching porn). It's not your place to NOT forgive him. Heavenly father is a God of reconciliation, your intent to refuse to forgive your husband is counter productive to HIS plan. Time for you and hubby to take this matter to The Bish, he'll help much, he'll send you two to LDS Family Services, where some pretty good counselors are waiting to meet you two fine folk and help iron out these wrinkles. pray, Pray, PRAY! You two can grow significantly stronger as a couple having gone through this and participated in the treatment together. Keep in mind that this is SIN, all of us are subject to SIN at all times, The deceiver is working overtime attacking families, No need to be honked off at hubby, instead, be concerned or worried as if he had some deadly disease, that would be much closer to the truth. Again I say, it is time to involve the Bishop. Good think happen when you do that.

Wow, it was about two decades before I met the woman I took to the temple and sealed to her. I just didn't worry about it, I knew Heavenly Father would introduce me to the woman I would seal to in his own time. In between, I did my thing, took myself to the temple for my endowments, lived my life, did my thing, met my sweet temple sealed wife now, the rest is history.

In order: 1. I am thankful to Heavenly father, for having a plan to fix this mess we call life, his son, Jesus Christ, for making ANYTHING good possible, especially forgiveness. 2. For my wife, I can't begin to tell you how that woman has softened my hardened heart in so many ways. Even when it hurts. 3. For my family 4. For living through some of the crazy stuff I've lived through and didn't deserve to.

I was baptized in 1996, Ordained an Elder in 2005, Endowed in 2005, quite some time before I was baptized before I was endowed. It was a personal decision for me, I wasn't in any hurry. I found myself again 6 years later finally meeting someone I would WANT to not just be married to, but sealed to. Everything in God's time, sometimes and for some people, these things are fast, sometimes these things are slower. At whatever operational tempo, these things are beautiful. Charge forward.

As to the affair, You should both be pleased that you have broken the world's norm after such a soul shattering occurrence of an affair and NOT divorced. This alone speaks VOLUMES that good people at times to bad things, yet are STILL good people. People are not disposable, they should never be treated that way. Husbands and Wives are not disposable, forgiveness is always the highest demand our God makes upon us that so few seem to find themselves willing to do so truly and completely. Second only unto God is marriage, after God, there is no more beautiful or important thing that stands above it. As to what YOU do after she has been exed. You champion her, you be her hero in every way, lead her to church lovingly and gently as if nothing has happened, you do not speak of her being exed to other members, it is not their concern. You hold her as high, as your wife, in a manner that she has no ill past, you have forgiven her. Read Hosea. You are the priesthood holder and the priest of your home and family, lead by loving her through the whole repentance process, press your Bishop for a time frame for rebaptism all the way up to full restoration in standing she had prior to her transgression as if you were brand new, in fact, not too bad a time to treat her brand new as if your marriage had just started. How do you do that? Love, is always the answer. Demonstrate your pleasure to be seated with her in church, do this everytime you go. I am so glad for the two of you that you remained together. Your story both brought tears to my eyes as well as I celebrate that Satan FAILED to destroy another family, as hard as he tried. Tell your sweet wife this "Don't you worry baby, it will all work out alright, we're MORMONS, we don't quit". Take your beautiful wife with you to Church, let God handle the rest.

Hey Fire Guy, LDS Social Services typically offers marriage counseling, the Bishop will have the ward cover the cost if you can't. Stick to your guns, man. Divorce is all hype and after, no one is happier or better off for it. Occasionally, my wife and I will have our issues, we've even done the separation thing. It comes full circle, neither one of us want a divorce (I think we're both of the "I refuse" types), I appreciate the time apart in our separations as it allows me to get closer to God, it allows me to listen, not just hear what my wife's issues are with me, but allows me opportunity to empathize with her, make little changes here and there, because I want to be the husband she deserves. She's a fascinatingly delicate woman, even under the worst of circumstances, I'm mezmorized by her.

I actually sent a text message to a friend of mine in our bishopric asking him "Wow, is that REAL grass in the back drop"? I just know he was rolling his eyes thinking "Only Brother Karma....." (Karma in place of my name, of course) Hey, inquiring minds, ya know?

I think that the air circulation goes wonky when I give talks and I get "stuff" in my eyes..... I guess it happens at GC as well.

It's funny that you should mention that talk, it was my favorite one out of GC for the day.