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1 hour ago, mikbone said:
Paul spends quite some time discussing the circumcision in this weeks CFM
Romans 2:25-29
I was pondering the practice and just thought how it’s kinda bizarre.
The removal of the sensitive part of the tissue…
Health concerns
Only men do it.
It obviously shouldn’t be displayed in public (like garments). Garments seem to allow daily reflection, whereas the circumcision probably didn’t especially if it was done without trauma (although, I have seen some ugly complications from botched circumcisions).
You can make a decent living as a mohel -- $750 per milah, plus tips!
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On 8/7/2023 at 12:07 PM, popatr said:
I take it as given that there are imperfections, as we were warned was possible.
I think the above posts are true but I want to add a warning label to them. I think it's a good attitude to consider ourselves MORE fallible that the scripture writers, and hence we will make more mistakes by having interesting insights than by keeping the scripture boring and at face value.
I've got a line of apostates at another forum who drive that point home.
As long as the scripture writers were translated correctly -- including the Three Nephites?
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10 hours ago, mikbone said:
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
D&C 20:79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
3 Ne 27:21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is my gospel; and ye know the things that ye must do in my church; for the works which ye have seen me do that shall ye also do; for that which ye have seen me do even that shall ye do;
Nice connection of seeing in the past (remember) and present (see) tenses, and with future intent (may witness).
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16 hours ago, askandanswer said:
33 And if our plates had been asufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no bimperfection in our record.
Does Mormon 9:39 indicate that there are imperfection in what has been described as the most correct book on Earth? And if so, does anyone know what those imperfections might be?
As the Title Page written by Mormon or Moroni states, "And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ."
Also, Mormon 8: 17, "And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold, we know no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire."
He was not the first Book of Mormon prophet to confess the possibility of imperfection and error in deciding what was correct to include in their writing: "Nevertheless, I do not write anything upon plates save it be that I think it be sacred. And now, if I do err, even did they err of old; not that I would excuse myself because of other men, but because of the weakness which is in me, according to the flesh, I would excuse myself. (1 Nephi 1: 6)."
Inasmuch as they confessed weakness according to the flesh, we too who are weak according to the flesh should be able to discern that which is of the Spirit, by God's grace.
This is a semantic question. Are there imperfections? It depends on what kind of imperfection you are looking for. It easy to assume "Yes." Is it the most correct of any book on earth? It is reasonable to assert "Yes," because "most correct" still allows room for imperfection since "most" is only a superlative adjective comparing the correctness of books, all of which can be said to contain imperfection of one kind or another.
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On 7/16/2023 at 8:09 PM, Ldsjones said:
Hi all, first time posting here. I had an interview with my bishop to renew my temple recommend today and was asked the typical “Do you wear the garments as instructed in the temple” bit. Anyways it made me realize that I don’t actually remember how I was instructed to wear them when I went through the temple (over a decade ago). Furthermore it seems like the instructions may have changed since then - no reference to wearing them night and day anymore in the recommend interview. I know they read the blurb about how we should wear the garment at the bottom of the interview -https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/first-presidency-temple-recommend-letter.pdf
But my question is - is the instruction given in the temple the same as the instructions given in the temple recommend interview? Is the wording the same? Is there more or less instruction given in the temple given about wearing the garments? And If the wording is different Is there a place in the temple I can go to review what the current instruction is?
I’m familiar with what the current guidance in the church handbook is. I’m specifically trying to figure out if that is the guidance that is currently given inside of the temple
Inside the temple: attend and ask a member of the temple presidency. Answer the temple questions honestly and in good faith, and ask the interviewer any questions you may have in the same spirit.
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On 7/17/2023 at 6:42 AM, Aquatic Contraption said:
I grew up fasting for a full 24 hours every Fast Sunday, and I hated it. So much so, that in my fifties I finally decided I would no longer subject myself to monthly headaches and irritability.
I still pay my fast offering contributions, but I no longer torture myself.
What about you?
I do both because I am willing and able to do both. Hopefully whatever we do is in concert with the Lord's will for us and in the right spirit, especially when exceptions need to be made.
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1 hour ago, scottyg said:
Yes, that's right! I thought I remembered this, but could not pin it down, Thank you!
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4 hours ago, askandanswer said:
I've watched many General Conferences. I've often heard Prophets talk about their prayers for the church but I've never heard or seen a Prophet pray. Has anyone else?
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14 hours ago, Zooman009 said:
Am I crazy, or do some (not all) Buddhist practices align with the faith really well?
Recently I got in meditation and I‘ve been listening to a few Buddhist monks here and there. Mostly cause I like learning about existence from multiple viewpoints.
I’d also like to say that I’ve had a porn issue for a while that I’ve been trying to overcome and meditation has done wonders for it.
What most amazes me is that as I’ve been doing these things, it hasn’t felt like any conflict within my faith. I have found that as I come to learn to accept the present and to release worries and doubts, I have been able to break through my worldly thoughts and desires and then have been able to more personally pray and connect with God. Am I wrong for thinking this? I feel like letting go of my “self” and allowing for room to better understand God’s desires for me is incredibly beneficial.
Some parts can contribute to preparing someone to reveive and keep the ordinances and covenants, and some are in conflict, depending on how you use them and the priority and emphasis you give them. The same with medicine, therapy and prosperity. All kinds of light and well-being lead to a fulness in Christ when we look in the right direction and in the right way.
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2 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:
I was looking at my dog the other day and thinking how he is getting old and will be gone soon. I then was thinking about the three disciples from the book of Mormon and John the beloved. I am not sure how they deal with the lack of connections as they outlive each of their friends and relatives. What if they had a canine companion that was given to them that was also translated? That is the basis of the idea, an immortal dog that would remain as their faithful companion. I am reminded of the Nephite that Joseph and the others ran into on the road to Harmony that was carrying the first set of plates back to Cumorah and that delivered the small plates of Nephi to Joseph in Harmony.
Let's say the dog was translated at the time of Enoch and the story is his POV and commentary of God's dealings with mankind from that moment to when he joins his friends in eternal felicity. Including a sidebar conversation with the beasts in Revelation 4:6-11 and interviews with other animals brought up in the Bible narrative from the Flood onward.
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32 minutes ago, Traveler said:
I have thought and mediated on your intriguing question. Thank you for asking – hopefully I have understood your question. We are told in scripture that our mortal experience (daily living) is a unique experience like no other in our eternal progression. This experience is also called a time of trial whereby we act on faith. I believe we are flooded with choices that must be made in moments void of understanding the aggerate consequences.
But we are given spiritual assistance in dealing with these choices. First, we all come into this life with the spirit of Christ with an ability to sense good from evil. In the Book of Mormon – Alma – addresses this spiritual ability as a seed that when nourished allows us to build assurity what is good from evil.
Next, we enter into covenants that allow connection to our divine roots. These covenants are anchors in eternal laws. Perhaps the example of our weekly sacrament covenant demonstrates the connection. We promise, by taking the emblems of the sacrament to “take upon the name of Christ” and to “always remember Christ”.
I believe that taking the name of Christ we are legally bound, similar to power of attorney, to act in and behalf of Christ. In essence we become the example of what we believe as Christ to all with whom we associate. This is not a provision by which we can judge the actions of others – as it is to be aware of ourselves. In essence we conduct a scientific experiment on ourselves where, by our actions, we put our current understanding of Christ on trial by our choices.
Let me take this a step farther. Let’s say, that during our day we are faced with what we perceive as a wrong against ourselves or some other. If, we become angry, we can evaluate from our understanding if this anger how well we understand Christ and how He would act. I reference anger because for myself I have discovered that anger is seldom (if ever) Christ like. That forgiveness, compassion and mercy seem (at least to me) a more Christ like response.
According to our covenant with G-d, as a Saint of G-d, if we discover that we have acted improperly we have the opportunity to repent. I believe that repentance is both something within ourselves to desire to change and in addition an external effort to apologize to those we afflicted with our anger.
I have used anger because it is such a challenge to me personally – not so much any more as anger I express or show but at this point an anger within myself, kept to myself – That I can more easily overcome as I remember Christ and my covenants.
I am under the impression that becoming Christ like is not a means of deciphering the problems of others as it is seeing myself and having compassion and mercy for others. The compassion and mercy for other is difficult for me. I see this in me as a choice rather than a feeling – because I do not experience feeling as deeply as others. My wife has such deep feelings and tells me I am the strange one and that most are like her. Sometimes I think, that because I do not connect well with feelings, that it ought to be easier for me to choose compassion and mercy. To be honest, I often find it illogical or unjust that some should be treated with compassion and mercy. But then I remember that Jesus Christ sacrificed his life so that the unjust are forgiven their mortal errors. I believe that very day is a struggle for a Saint of G-d in this mortal fallen life.
The Traveler
Thank you!
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2 hours ago, Traveler said:
I am not sure I understand your question. It is my understanding that in this mortal life that all acts are acts of faith in that we lack sufficient knowledge to act otherwise. Since knowledge is incomplete, we often rely on speculation and thoughtful impressions in part because of our faith.
In my opening statement for this thread – I am quite confident for the ideas expressed in the first about 2/3 of my statement. My thoughts about LBGTQ+ are somewhat speculation that I have offered for possible exchanges.
The idea that the Celestial glory contains G-d the Father and his covenant Saints bound and existing in divine oneness – I believe to be a well developed teaching from scripture. If you like we can drill down together and explore what it means for many to be one.
The Traveler
Maybe I can ask another way: how would you, or any disciple of Christ in general, apply of one of the ideas you shared in daily living?
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6 hours ago, Traveler said:
Over the years my concepts of G-d and heaven has evolved. There is criticism of the LDS concept of the resurrection surrounding the idea that good LDS members will get their own world over which they will be g-ds in complete control. I believe such arguments are dark lies intended to be distractions from light and truth. This thread is intended to express LDS thoughts of G-d(s) and his kingdom of heaven – and if desired the contrast with counter concepts from understandings of other religious doctrines.
In the resurrection revelation I think there are two possibilities. One is a resurrection into the “Kingdom” of G-d and the other is to a place that in scripture is called “Outer Darkness” or “Perdition”. I have struggled greatly with the concept of “Outer Darkness” concerning its inhabitants. Beyond Lucifer and his fallen “angles” I have not concluded who else will remain unsaved without salvation and fallen. There are some seemingly reference to perdition, but I am not sure that any descendants of Adam and Eve (including Cain) qualify. Perhaps another thread can deal with such concepts.
There are two concepts of G-d and heaven that I believe are fundamental principles of truth championed in scripture and modern LDS revelation. The first is the “oneness” of G-d the Father and His Celestial Saints. The second is the degrees of “Glory” that describe all the residents of G-d’s “kingdom” of Heaven. In addition, I believe that there is a fundamental ordinance of the laws of heaven that is structured around what is pronounced as “Agency” in scripture (mostly in modern LDS scripture and revelation).
I am quite content with the concept of divine “oneness” and am somewhat dumbfounded with any and all objections that G-d’s Saints are united in inseparable and the complete non-distinguishedness of such beings. I do not believe than any non-Celestial being can understand or recognize any differences in G-d the Father and any of His Celestial Saints. I am under the impression that gender is well defined within the class of Celestial beings, but I am not sure that such definitions are as well defined outside of G-d and his Celestial Saints.
I have speculated that LGBTQ+ concepts may exist in heaven but not withing the Glory of G-d and his Celestial Saints. What possibilities of such things in other Glories may be possible to varying degrees.
This particular post is getting rather long so I will conclude with the concept that G-d the Father and His Celestial Saints have exercised their “Agency” to become highly disciplined and beings of incredible “order”. And yet there is a lack of need to define the discipline or order in any “written” or “spoken” form. That G-d the Father and His Saints are the only completely liberated and free beings in the existence over which G-d the Father resides.
It is my intention that this thread can be used to express and discuss (question) speculations of this subject. I am concerned that some believe speculations to be evil. Rather, I see speculations am a means of study and preparation for possible revelation (personal and otherwise) on truth and light.
The Traveler
If possible, please share one of these ideas which you consider sufficiently developed to consider a working principle upon which you act in faith, and a practical example that highlights its associated blessings -- thank you!
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9 hours ago, lonetree said:
So, endless punishment is not necessarily torment without end but has been redefined by God as something that is His to pass on to the unrepentant, because he had to suffer.
Yes, He passes it on because He had to suffer (this is referred to as His "vengeance"), but as Vort noted above, this kind of relationship (or transaction) renders us unable to enjoy that which we might have received from Him. "For what doth it profit a man if a gift is bestowed upon him, and he receive not the gift? Behold, he rejoices not in that which is given unto him, neither rejoices in him who is the giver of the gift." (D&C 88).
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17 hours ago, lonetree said:
Besides the phrase I used^, -no hope- that such a thing will ever end-or that someone will end it for you. The description of hell in James Joyce's 'Portrait of the artist as a young man' which I first encountered in high school comes to mind. The one about mountains of grains of sand and each million years a bird carries one grain away... I read once it may originally have come from Augustine but I'm not sure. It is hard to believe that such pictures of eternal pain and hopelessness did not borrow or were not inspired in some way by this parable.
Here is something that might resonate with you, part of a revelation given to Jospeh Smith: Doctrine and Covenants 19 (churchofjesuschrist.org)
1 I am aAlpha and Omega, bChrist the Lord; yea, even I am he, the beginning and the end, the Redeemer of the cworld.
2 I, having accomplished and afinished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might bsubdue all things unto myself—
3 Retaining all apower, even to the bdestroying of Satan and his works at the cend of the world, and the last great day of judgment, which I shall pass upon the inhabitants thereof, djudging every man according to his eworks and the deeds which he hath done.
4 And surely every man must arepent or bsuffer, for I, God, am cendless.
5 Wherefore, I arevoke not the judgments which I shall pass, but woes shall go forth, weeping, bwailing and gnashing of teeth, yea, to those who are found on my cleft hand.
6 Nevertheless, it is anot written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written bendless ctorment.
7 Again, it is written aeternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men, altogether for my name’s glory.
8 Wherefore, I will explain unto you this amystery, for it is meet unto you to know even as mine apostles.
9 I speak unto you that are chosen in this thing, even as one, that you may enter into my arest.
10 For, behold, the amystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am bendless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless cpunishment, for dEndless is my name. Wherefore—
11 aEternal punishment is God’s punishment.
12 Endless punishment is God’s punishment.
13 Wherefore, I command you to repent, and keep the acommandments which you have received by the hand of my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., in my name;
14 And it is by my almighty power that you have received them;
15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I asmite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your bsufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.
16 For behold, I, God, have asuffered these things for all, that they bmight not suffer if they would crepent;
17 But if they would not repent they must asuffer even as I;
18 Which asuffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might bnot drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and afinished my preparations unto the children of men.
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On 6/17/2023 at 12:23 AM, lonetree said:
One of the most chilling parts of the New Testament-I wince each time I come across it. This gives me pause when I hear someone state that 'the traditional Hell of everlasting torment is nowhere really found in the teachings of Jesus'.
What do you consider 'the traditional Hell of everlasting torment' to be?
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2 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said:
My wife and kids got me this book for Fathers Day, and it got me thinking. Have we lost the intellectual aspect of gospel knowledge in recent years? I remember when Hugh Nibley and other scholars writings were often published in church publications. In recent years, I cannot recall very much if this in our magazines. Have we lost something in our day and should we try to return to them? In fact, I recently learned that Nibley’s “An Approach to the Book of Mormon,” was the priesthood manual for the year 1957. Now we just read and discuss general conference talks, or rather, try to skim through the talk during the opening announcements in priesthood and hope we are not called on to say anything.
I believe by studying books like this we can awaken a deeper sense of testimony as we read while praying and listening for spiritual insight. Let’s do better as Men, who have followed in Abraham’s footsteps.
I think we are in an age where scholarship is stronger than ever. See, for example, Home (byu.edu) and several other noteworthy university and private scholarship groups.
Given the times in which we live, I think the Church is emphasizing discipleship and personal witness for good reason. The speed at which scholarship is transmitted and changes can only be managed unto salvation by the companionship of the Holy Ghost, and too often apologetics get laden with fallible interpretations, contention and priority over conversion.
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On 6/14/2023 at 12:45 PM, Learner said:
Here is the scripture where the thought came to mind for reference.
Alma 32:16 "Therefore, blessed are they who humble themselves without being compelled to be humble; or rather, in other words, blessed is he that believeth in the word of God, and is baptized without stubbornness of heart, yea, without being brought to know the word, or even compelled to know, before they will believe."
The question is, "What are some modern day examples of being compelled to be humble?"
I recognize that this scripture in particular is talking about baptism but it can be other aspects of our lives such as doing or not doing something on the Sabbath or the reverse too. What are some examples you have seen in your own or someone else's life and how could have the situation been better if you only chose to be humble to begin with? Try to only share stories that it was clear that you were compelled to be humble and how did you know you were compelled to begin with? Again a story of you, someone else, or another scripture.
I think this is also an example of not needing to be perfect: get baptized in faith, whether you are humble or compelled to be humble and grow in the Spirit from there.
The point of humility in Alma 32 concerns the poor treatment and ostracizing by others, in this case poverty, but it could be on any point of comparison with the spirit of enmity (e.g., appearances, language, heritage, handicap, "discrimination," etc.). Today we hear a lot about bullying, in person and online and rejection on the basis of political affiliation or position. I think the point is, to find the point of humility where the only hope is in having faith in Christ to desire a covenant relationship with Him, and by extension, those who have done the same.
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On 6/3/2023 at 10:11 AM, person0 said:
I have considered, on occasion over the past year or so, that aside from the various plausible circumstances that could bring this to pass, an additional circumstance could be a large swath of repentant detransitioned women, who, depending on the extent of their initial transition, may not have a realistic opportunity in this life to fully participate in a marriage as a result of the changes they previously underwent. I would imagine this potentially being in combination with other ways the prophecy might be fulfilled.
Thoughts?I think it good to consult the Church materials. This prophecy was fulfilled, and like the abomination of desolation, could possibly recur. And we can learn lessons as we apply it to ourselves. But the women's desperate condition in Isaiah 4:1 is in no way an indicator of their righteous desires or repentance, but rather the apostate way in which the benighted seek redemption from their misery through false solutions. Their request is the epitome of the consequence for their filth, not their repentance. Isaiah 4: 2 picks points to verses 3 and 4, the redemption of those who remain after the scourging and judgement of those in verse 1, who are destroyed.
Lesson 4: Punishment and Redemption of the Lord’s Vineyard
Suggested Lesson Material
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Old Testament Student Manual: 1 Kings–Malachi, 140–42.
Key Doctrine, Principles, and Concepts
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When we are righteous, we enjoy the blessings of our choices. When we sin, we suffer the negative consequences of our choices (see Isaiah 3:1–11).
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If we turn away from the Lord, we will lose His protection and help and experience sorrow and suffering (see Isaiah 5:1–25).
Isaiah 4:1 (and what follows) is a continuation of the previous chapters): The Establishment of Zion (Isaiah 1–12) (churchofjesuschrist.org) Just a snippet from this second link:
(13-22) Isaiah 3:24–26. The Fruits of Transgression upon the Daughters of Zion
The prophet contrasts their former beauty with the results of judgment. Because of their wickedness, the beauty, the pride, and the fashion will become tragedy, disaster, and slavery. The girdle in verse 24 was the sash used to fasten the outer clothing. Keil and Delitzsch showed that the “rent” which was to replace it was the rope used to bind slaves. Sackcloth was black goat’s hair worn at times of great mourning. The “burning” refers to the branding that often accompanied one’s being made a slave. Thus Keil and Delitzsch translated this verse: “And instead of balmy scent there will be mouldiness, and instead of the sash, a rope, and instead of artistic ringlets a baldness, and instead of the dress cloak a frock of sackcloth, branding instead of beauty” (Commentary, 7:1:147).
(13-23) Isaiah 4:1. “Take Away Our Reproach”
Verse 1 of chapter four seems to continue the thought of chapter three rather than to begin a new thought. This phrase suggests that the condition mentioned in verse 1 is caused by the scarcity of men, a result of the devastation of war mentioned in Isaiah 3:25–26. The conditions under which these women would accept this marriage (“eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel”) are contrary to the Lord’s order of marriage (see Exodus 21:10; D&C 132:58–61). To be unmarried and childless in ancient Israel was a disgrace (see Genesis 30:23; Luke 1:25). So terrible would conditions in those times be that women would offer to share a husband with others and expect no material support from him, if they could claim they were married to him.
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1 hour ago, mikbone said:
Alma does a wonderful job. And its obvious the the Holy Ghost is present. He thoroughly explains the covenant and then gives them an If then opportunity.
The crowd, response is also noteworthy - clapping their hands for joy.
This past Sunday in Elders Quorum two elders were issued the challenge to: will you commit to organizing a EQ activity to clean the tables and chairs in the cultural hall. I didn’t feel the spirit and many excuses were issued. We wasted 5-10 minutes and nothing was accomplished. I’m not even sure why the challenge was issued. Apparently a sister complained to the Bishop and the Bishop discussed the opportunity with the EQ president.
There was talk about bringing pressure washers to the church. I’m pretty sure that pressure washing the chairs and tables might cause some problems with rusting and leaking.
The missionaries also shared a lesson about testimonies and issued a, will you commit to all bear your testimonies this Sunday.
All that happened in Alma's group too, but a week later
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15 hours ago, mikbone said:
Are we ever going to move away from this?
Is there any scriptorial basis for the pattern or is it just something that we picked up from the business world.
Almost every time missionaries come over for dinner, we get a message (which I usually like) and committment request.
And we spent an awkward 10 min in Elders Quorum trying to put together a team to clean tables and chairs in the cultural hall.
It just feels like manipulation.
In my job I never use the committment pattern.
I explain the risks, benefits, and alternatives. And then explain, in detail, the possible complications if the patients do not comply with the recommendations. If the patients feel like they are part of the decision making process they are much more likely to follow the plan. I essentially make the patient request that I perform surgery. And any time a patient is hesitant or seems to not understand the possible consequences, I highly recommend a second opinion.
I have had to tell multiple patients, that I was not smart enough to be their surgeon, and then I recommend other surgeons in the area...
Are you referring to this: 11: How Do I Help People Make and Keep Commitments? (churchofjesuschrist.org)? If so, we have Mosiah 18 as the template:
BEAR TESTIMONY FREQUENTLY: 1 And now, it came to pass that Alma, who had fled from the servants of king Noah, arepented of his sins and iniquities, and went about privately among the people, and began to teach the words of Abinadi—
2 Yea, concerning that which was to come, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and the aredemption of the people, which was to be brought to pass through the power, and sufferings, and bdeath of Christ, and his resurrection and ascension into heaven…
7 And it came to pass after many days there were a goodly number gathered together at the place of Mormon, to hear the words of Alma. Yea, all were gathered together that believed on his word, to hear him. And he did ateach them, and did preach unto them repentance, and redemption, and faith on the Lord.
INVITATION: 8 And it came to pass that he said unto them: Behold, here are the waters of Mormon (for thus were they called) and now, as ye are adesirous to come into the bfold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light;
9 Yea, and are awilling to mourn with those that bmourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as cwitnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the dfirst resurrection, that ye may have eternal life—
DIRECT QUESTION: 10 Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being abaptized in the bname of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a ccovenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, [PROMISE PEOPLE BLESSINGS:] that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?
11 And now when the people had heard these words, they clapped their hands for joy, and exclaimed: This is the desire of our hearts.
12 And now it came to pass that Alma took Helam, he being one of the first, and went and stood forth in the water, and cried, saying: O Lord, pour out thy Spirit upon thy servant, that he may do this work with holiness of heart.
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1 hour ago, askandanswer said:
I think its worth keeping in mind that the way this verse has been worded, and as corrected by Joseph Smith, it leaves entirely open the possibility that everyone in heaven might know the week, month and year, but not the day or the hour.
It's also worth keeping in mind Luke 8:17
17 For nothing is asecret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Please share Joesph Smith's correction (I'm not finding it in JS-Matthew 1). Thank you!
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Mormon 9:33
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From the synoptic header for Chapter 11 (and 11:1) we learn that Jesus visited the “people of Nephi” (subsequent italicized chapter summaries refer to them as Nephites). The land Bountiful where this arrival and first visits took place was a Nephite territory. The twelve disciples were chosen from among them (3 Nephi 12:2). So, I (and I assume the chapter summary foe Chapter 28) use the term “Nephite(s)” as a known demonym, for the people, the multitude, the disciples, and the three disciples accounted for in these chapters.