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(MINOR SPOILERS (but nothing you wouldn’t know if you follow media announcements surrounding the show) Filoni and Favereau are definitely taking star wars in a great direction. They have changed up the formula, the feel and the writing. The Mandalorian is amazing, the star wars tv adaptations have always been the best. The Bo Catan and Ashoka’s cameos were a long coming and very exciting to see for any modern star wars fan. Then the appearance of the long thought dead #%$@& (blocked due to spoiler) was very exciting to say the least. Hearing his voice again gave me nostalgia attacks. The best thing the Mandalorian does is that it is patient. Though some episodes are slow and just seem like fillers, the dialogue and lack of cinematic explosions are a breath of fresh air when compared to the sequel trilogy which seemed to just throw every explosion and cinema trope at us hoping something stuck. I am curious to see how far they will expand the references and cameos. The star wars video games that have come out since EA bought the rights are all canon. There is a popular Jedi, Cal Kestis, from a recent game that is still alive. No mention of him or Ashoka in the sequel trilogy. Perhaps he will appear in the Mandalorian or what appeared to be an Ashoka v Thrawn Starwars series that was teased. I personally hope he is the one to train Grogu. Anyway... I’m pretty pumped for the future of star wars. I hope Filoni stays with it and directs all future star wars adaptations, he did AMAZING with the clone wars series and he is doing amazing with this.

There seems to be 2 opposing views among the members of our church (and it seems it is in Christianity in general) and that it is righteous to be poor and it is righteous to be rich. There are many scriptures that seemingly back both views and everyone has their own interpretation of it. These views often are what drive the hate for wealthy religious leaders. I would argue that wealth has nothing to do with righteousness and that at its best, it only enhances what righteousness already exists in an individual. here are two examples of what I see happening. (1) Joseph Smith had multiple wives. Was it because he was a sex deviant or because God commanded him? Though there is no real way to tell with facts, the vast majority of people will say he was a sex deviant (2) Is Joel Olsteen wealthy because he loves wealth more than God and takes advantage of people? Or is he wealthy because he is a God fearing preacher that is also extremely talented in running a business and church? Again, no real way to know for sure, but the majority of people would say he loves wealth more than God. why does this happen? Maybe we just assume the worst in people and that is just the natural man? Maybe we are jealous of the wealth or the amount of sex being had. In order to make ourselves feel better, we make up stories in our mind.

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Correct haha. Admittedly I used the two truths and a lie to stir some argument about our and bacon. I dislike them both

No one got it yet

I think bacon is over rated I was the state sterling scholar for music in high school I hate pie

You hate chocolate cake

No official teachings but your train of thought is solid. Eternal marriage is essential for exaltation. Now whether Mary was Jesus’s wife, I don’t know that we have enough information or revelation to make a definitive claim. But he likely is or will be sealed to someone.

Well... I think what I’m saying is that what brings people to forums is also what drives people away.

If you have a written copy of that, I would actually love to read it. Would you be comfortable sending me a copy? You said you mentioned line of authority in it??

This honestly just looks like someone’s attempt to fight against the the hundreds of other progressive movements within the church today. I am not comfortable flying a flag like this, but I appreciate the attempt and the effort given... even it it may have missed the mark by a little

Me too, and I don’t think you should change, nor anyone that thinks what they are saying is saving the souls of others. We should all be standing up for the truth and admonishing one another Mosiah 26:39 And they did admonish their brethren; and they were also admonished, every one by the word of God, according to his sins, or to the sins which he had committed, being commanded of God to pray without ceasing, and to give thanks in all things. Maybe we can soften our tone on how we admonish one another and maybe we can realize that we are responsible for the tone in which we read another’s comment.

It’s easy to claim tithing settlement is a passive aggressive brute squad approach to getting tithing (I don’t think that is what your saying, you are actually an incredibly impressive saint and it has been a pleasure to see your conversion). But just like ministering interviews, temple interviews and other such interviews, pointed conversation are great ways of getting to the heart of a topic. in the tithing settlement the Bishop essentially says “you paid $8,000 this year in tithing. Is this accurate and did you pay a full tithe?” Ill share a personal experience. I was asked if so was a full time payer last year and I looked at the total and realized I was behind $1200 (I get paid commission 30% up front and 70% when the project is done. If the project cancels, I get charged back the 30% so I wait for the install pay to pay the tithe on the income. Sometimes I miss some tithes cause of how confusing it can be sometimes). That was an amazing situation where I had to decide what to do. I was honest with the bishop and when my next pay check came in I paid the amount I owed God. The result? Well this last year I nearly doubled my income. I believe that has a lot to do with paying an honest tithe and I would have missed it had I not gone to the tithing settlement. At the end of the day, we have to remember that God does not need our money (and neither does the church to be frank). Paying tithing is more for us and we should see tithing settlement as an opportunity to make sure we are right with ourselves and God.

And you are part of the “problem” the forum is facing. I’m just like you and so is everyone else I’m who disagrees with the order of authority. I don’t believe your way of thinking is wrong, we are very much alike in that sense. But when there is a forum full of people who see the gospel differently and we are talking about salvation and damnation... it’s hard to not get passionate.

Not sure what the solution is. I just notice that many arguments revolve around whether Brigham Young, Ezra Taft Benson, current publication from the church, a personal interpretation of scripture, or some worldly approach to an issue is the true Christlike approach on a specific topic.

I would suggest that there are many of us who are in the same boat. Someone, at some point needs to stand against the evils of the world and at other times the torch needs to be passed off to others to provide us some relief. I understand your reasons for needing to step away, I do. I commend you for your efforts while you were here, it didn't fall entirely on deaf ears. There are many, many good people here committed to taking a stand This concept is probably the worst part about what is driving people from our forum. Some forum members are strict to the old ways and what was taught in the past, some are strict to to the current ways and what is taught today, some are strict to what they perceive to be the future, and some are strict to a middle ground approach where the church is just a guideline. We all fall into one of these and find views from other parties to be distracting from what Christ wants of us all... then we stand up and start bickering. I have my “line of authority” as I call it. Modern day prophets/publications from the church -> Standard Work / older prophets -> personal revelation -> Opinions from leaders and books written by them -> everything else. Some may flip older prophets to the top due to belief that the church is slipping away while others may believe the standard work as being the end all authority and everything is just built of that (I personally don’t understand the hype behind “canonization” to me the modern day prophet has more teaching authority than any book of scripture. I get that ideology from the talk 14 fundamentals of following the prophet https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet) In my opinion, it is underlying disagreement like these that cause strife on the forum.

I meander on to MormonDialogue sometime but that community is just too massive. Within 5 minutes of a thread starting the 2nd page has been reached. there was another one I got on once but it had the opposite problem. Not enougj what other forums are there?

That would actually be very interesting to see! I remember one hot source of conversation was the forum posts of articles put out by TH, but those have long gone (probably because they were often met with back lash from us). ask Gramps questions would be great

My honest thoughts. I joined about 2 years ago because I enjoyed the conversations and felt there were some great insights... today I feel like all insights have been exhausted. Conversations seem to be rehashes of old and few are posting gospel questions anymore. politics have a negative effect, but it’s the lack of honest and thoughtful gospel questions. That is/was the life blood of this forum.

So when you say “deleted accounts” you mean “dead”

I have noticed it for a long time. Something just triggered in me this time around. I am completely ok with the changes. But cultural changes without the church's stamp of approval is my only complaint. If the church came out tomorrow and said "mothers do not need to be home with their children, go to work and leave the children to daycare" Then I would be less frustrated with videos like these. But when they are spitting out opinions that have no scriptural backing, I can't help but imagine Satan laughing at us for falling for his tricks.

I see more and more of these videos, articles, and blog posts creeping into the church membership. They all have one thing in common. No scriptural or prophetic words backing them up. It just a soapbox of their own. Read Mothers Working Outside the Home and anyone can see that the church is against what she is advocating. They took it one step further in this video. They quoted Spencer W Kimball and said he was wrong... the only mention of scripture in the whole video related to her topic. The same thing is found in their modesty video and whenever they talk about young men not needing to serve missions. This episode belongs on the Mormon Stories Podcast A good 85% of Saints Unscripted is wholesome and Christlike. But these occasional opinion videos show just how accepting of Satan’s ideals “Saints” my age are. I want a good Latter-day Saint YouTube channel that focuses on nothing but the doctrine when it comes to these controversial topics. No opinion, just what has been said... however, I don’t suppose that would be popular enough to gather any notable following.

I remember about a week after I got my patriarchal blessing, I was at work stocking shelves at a local grocery store and I ran into the patriarch. I smiled at him and said hello thinking he would recognize me. He then got really crabby and demanded to know where a certain product was. He told me he had been looking for almost 20 minutes and no one in the store seemed to know where it was. I learned two things that day. (1) We are all human, and (2) I want to be better than that.

Evil is most concerned with itself and the status of its own existence. It doesn’t care if it is self destructive, it is only going to exist for a finite amount of time so it/he/she does everything it can for itself in the shortest amount of time while withholding zero restraint.