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Word would reach those that the the church quickly, and if it gets to 4chan, there will be an influx of hullabaloo. I have grown up in The internet age long enough to know that no filtering system is perfect. It either will go too far and block 12 year old Adolfo Heimler who is dying of cancer or not go far enough and let in Mao Zedong, Ted Bundy, and Sarah Kerrigan

Please do explain

Am I sealed to my brother directly? Or am I sealed to him through my parents tie?

You are right, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I get it now. I can step in if you would like. The core belief is that we are literal children of God and that we can one day be like him. With that comes quite a few assumptions. None of this is really said explicitly in church doctrine but has been accepted as reality. Heavenly Mother is not included in the God Head as we understand it. Heavenly Mother is an exalted being like heavenly father and she too likely had an earthly experience much like us at some point in "history" (if there is such a thing in heaven). On the topic of polytheism. Based on the core doctrine that we can become like God and many different comments made by church leaders, we (I use 'we' loosely) ASSUME there are other G/gods out there doing their own "rounds of creation" (as I have heard it called before). We are polytheistic only in the sense that we don't deny the existence of other gods through assumptions based on core beliefs we hold. We do, however, deny the existence of other Gods (note the capitalization of 'G'). If there are other heavenly parents out there, we do not care for them for they are not our parents and their dealings have less to do with our salvation than my current high score on Mario Kart. NOTE: I would also point out that in a mature and literal discussion, calling us polytheistic is like calling us or any protestant church a "cult". By definition, yes we can claim that to an extent. But when taken out of a mature dialogue, the baggage the claim carries doesn't work.

It is spoken of by quite a few leaders. Explicitly by Truman g Madsen in one of his discourses on Joseph Smith. We don’t know everything about it, but to say we “cannot” assume it is a gross overstatement.

This is a funny topic. It’s something that has been spoke on by early church leaders and is, as far as I understand, doctrine. But one thing that needs to be understood is that none of that matters if we don’t have faith, hope, Charity, and other Christlike attributes. The only times this really comes up in conversation at church is when crazy brother jones who is 85 and can’t hear anyone decides to grace us with his knowledge of God’s origin. The closest thing we have to “canonized” doctrine is the “Kingfollet Sermon” which was once published in our magazine, a quote from Lorenzo snow that was published by the church in a book about him, and odd mentions of it here and there in random institute manuals. It isn’t a core doctrine nor is it important to understand for salvation.

Interesting side note that I just learned here: In the early church, men were often sealed to other men as well. It was reserved for just men to women. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Why_were_men_sealed_to_other_men_during_the_early_days_of_the_Church%3F But it doesn’t appear that there were marriage sealings, family sealings, and sealings of adoption. Not sure how much this was all realized during the early years of the church though. Again, I would be interested to see the wording used in such sealings. Anyone know of any sources that would have those written down?

Am I sealed to my wife in the same way I am sealed to my children and parents? This question arose as I pondered on the topic of plural marriage and the supposed “polyandry” that existed in the early church. I wondered if our strict view of how we see sealing today is due to us Culturally tying a Traditional marriage Standard to sealing a. for example, I am sealed to my wife and my whole family. Would there be much of a difference between me being sealed to my son or father and Joseph being sealed to another man’s wife who he never intended on sleeping with? I would be interested in seeing the wording used in the sealings used between him and his Wives and him and the women he never had as a wife, yet was sealed to.

If I recall, the accepted standard measurement is “cups of tea”

You obviously haven’t heard of boaty Mc Boat face, the never-released mt dew flavor “Hitler did nothing wrong”, the bridge almost named “Stephen Colbert”, me splashy pants the whale, the founder of 4chan was voted worlds most influential person, the time Justin Bieber was voted to tour North Korea, and countless of other times the internet abused a free name submission Service. Of they opened it to the public, there would likely be thousands of adolf hitlers, Barneys, Satans, and other undesirables submitted. Granted we won’t see them, but the sacredness of what is offered would be lost

Now side note, silly question mostly rooted in cheap philosophy. But if we can submit it electronically now, can we just put a flash drive in the sack that typically contains a name? Or one step forward, a cellphone connected to the internet that is connected to a serve or cloud containing all the names In the entire temple name database?

I too have never experienced that, but I’ve been around a lot of people that have. A close friend of mine left the church for the same reason. She explained to me that she knows God loves her and that the church is true, but her mind was so stuck on trying to meet the status quo of the ward and church culture. Every small “infraction” (Like Not doing family history, keeping a journal, attending the temple enough or even walking into church late) ate her alive. She was visiting a counselor for all this but she couldn’t get past the feeling that she was worthless. She cognitively knew her thought process was wrong, but she was just always stuck in a pattern of comparing herself to those around her and seeing others strengths as her weaknesses. It all became too much and she just stopped going. This is not something I have ever dealt with, but there are a ton that experience that to varying degrees. At its core it is a misplaced understanding of the relationship between grace and discipleship.

So it was your fault!?

I would pay tithing, build my dream home cash down. Buy 20 or so rental units, a couple self sustaining business, invest in stocks, and maybe a car or two. Whatever was left would go toward Other investments. I would likely donate a good chunk to Underground Railroad, and then once I am making double my expenses in passive income, I’ll be donating almost everything I have to them.

We know fro scripture that the righteous are favored if God (1 Nephi 17:35) What perks Are there from being favored?

I haven’t been involved nearly as much as I use to. some observations that may attribute to this: - A LOT of politics, and in any community if you aren’t participating in the echo chamber, you get booted out. That being said I agree with virtually all of the conservative Political views held in here... but I don’t see the need to participate in The political echo chamber we have, nor engage in frivolous political debates with those I disagree with. TLDR: Online political discourse bores me - The topics I see I have little interest in. Either they are of little value (white supremacy in the Book of Mormon, nature of angels, nature of deer stones) or I read the thread and feel I have nothing to add from what was already written - I have transcended the need of gospel discussion with you mortal heathens despite that, I do agree with your observations . I will try to spark some interesting conversations based on my studies.

I’ll bite I would argue yes, but not in the sense of killing is violating commandments. Limiting your children for financial reason Or just not wanting children so you can play won’t damn one to an eternity of fire and brimstone, but it will prevent certain blessings from being realized. A distaste for children and family may also prevent one from entering the celestial kingdoms, But not out of punishment, but out of the fact that such a person would not be happy there. The celestial kingdom and exaltation is all about family

Book of Mormon By Joseph Smith and The Jaredite Records by Mosiah

When 4-Chan is the high ground, you know you have made a mistake

That is actually incredibly interesting to me. What kind of people are renting those vans out?

Paid off our car a few months ago 🤘 also saved up enough money to buy a minivan with cash. Time to have a 3rd baby!

From what I understand, things like the seer stone, Urim and Thummim, handkerchief used by Paul to heal a man, and the mud in the blind man’s eyes were nothing but tools to Supplement the faith needed to accomplish the miracle. There have been points in history where no tools were needed to translate or heal, the faith needed the tasks were present in the individual

I wonder if Trump could pull a “told you so! But too bad so sad, you didn't listen to me so you have to deal with me now”

I would be curious to see the dems cry voter fraud If Trump wins again.

It’s my opinion that we aren’t anywhere near the second coming and millennium. I would guess maybe 15 more generations? Perhaps more?